Is this coin really MS, or is it Proof?

nankraut · March 30, 2008 6:40AM

I don't know how to post the link, but here's the ebay item number: 330222832877

GFourDriver · March 30, 2008 6:45AM

sure looks like a proof to me.1961

GoldenEyeNumismatics · March 30, 2008 6:47AM

yea, sure does look like a proof.

Perhaps an error on the label?

bsshog40 · March 30, 2008 6:56AM

<< yea, sure does look like a proof.

Perhaps an error on the label? >>

That's what I'm thinking. Looks proof to me which would greatly change the value of this coin.

fc · March 30, 2008 7:04AM

looks like a proof to me too. i never saw a circ strike look like that
before and i bet the person selling it knows that also!

grrrrr

commoncents05 · March 30, 2008 7:07AM

Looks proof to me.

-Paul

JoesMaName · March 30, 2008 7:20AM

yes I'd say proof as well - my money's on a label miss-print.

Rampage · March 30, 2008 7:25AM

I sent this to the seller:

<< FYI, that coin is an obvious proof strike, not mint state. It would be neat if you sent it back to NGC so they could fix the error. You would be doing a good thing for the hobby that way. Thank you. >>

We will see if he/she replies.

Rampage · March 30, 2008 7:26AM

A perspective buyer should know this is a proof coin as well. However, should someone purchase it not knowing the difference (shame if they do that), it is too bad NGC will not give them their money back, since it is a technical error and not backed by the guarantee.

GFourDriver · March 30, 2008 7:29AM

I sent him a message too.
Dear w.d.cable,

That coin sure does look like a proof. Have you looked into this? NGC may have mis-labeled the coin. Just my opinion and I don't mean to put a damper on your auction but from the pic it looks proof. May be different in hand of course.
John

Here is his answer:

<<<This is the most beautiful Mint State coin I have ever owned. It is MS67RD The only one graded by NGC>>>

tmcsr69 · March 30, 2008 7:39AM

I just checked the certification number at the NGC web site and they show it as a PR67RD with a value of $23.75. I wrote the seller and told him/her.

commoncents05 · March 30, 2008 7:43AM

I emailed the seller and got exactly the same response that John did.

-Paul

bsshog40 · March 30, 2008 7:44AM

<< I just checked the certification number at the NGC web site and they show it as a PR67RD with a value of $23.75. I wrote the seller and told him/her. >>

Then it is a label error. It would be a shame if the seller did not back this auction off.

commoncents05 · March 30, 2008 7:46AM

<< I just checked the certification number at the NGC web site and they show it as a PR67RD with a value of $23.75. >>

Ouch, that's pretty damning evidence I think.

-Paul

ricko · March 30, 2008 7:48AM

Busted!!!! Let's be sure no one is taken on this... Cheers, RickO

GFourDriver · March 30, 2008 7:52AM

Good catch nankraut.........you may have saved a poor sob a lot of money.
kudos to you.

TwoSides2aCoin · March 30, 2008 7:54AM

That's a proof and a mechanical error on NGC's part. Plain and simple. No question about it.

nankraut · March 30, 2008 8:26AM

Well...it didn't sell, thank God.

derryb · March 30, 2008 8:39AM

<< Well...it didn't sell, thank God. >>

But it'll probably be back. Talk about a pretty penny, $42.95 shipping costs!

Rampage · March 30, 2008 12:03PM

This is the response I got from my email to the seller:

<< Thanks for the email. Will have a lot of homework with NGC before???

Anyway stopped auction before getting too deep with a bid. Thanks for your time.

W D Cable quititwillu@yahoo.com >>

I checked the auction, and he did in fact end it early.

Wolf359 · March 30, 2008 12:18PM

<< 

<< Well...it didn't sell, thank God. >>

But it'll probably be back. Talk about a pretty penny, $42.95 shipping costs! >>

Total rip there as well.

YaHa · March 30, 2008 12:33PM

I just sent in 4 1960 large date red proof links and 2 1961 red proof link pennies and would you know all were labeled MS on the website and the coin. Am I missing something? IF they come in a proof plastic wrap and in a envelope and my frankies came back labeled proof 67s and proof 68s don't you think something is wrong?

The grades I got were all MS red 1961 grade 66 x4 and the 1960 were lg dates ms 66 redx2. Go Figure, I wish I could break them out, and dip em, because I know the 1960 lg dates are higher grade but the dark toning takes away from the grade of 67.

Is this coin really MS, or is it Proof?

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