ICG turn over?

BN · March 28, 2008 1:57AM

So anyone noticed that the crew over at ICG has turned over a bit? Anyone know why?

I noticed JP wasn't on the roster any more....

Also, they seem to offer problem coin grading now..

Yeah, I know this is PCGS forum.... but I like to be able to drive to the place where my coins are graded.

BN

rgCoinGuy · March 28, 2008 2:04AM

I can't answer your question, but there may be some answers in this thread, or you may PM the OP and see what you can find out. ICG CK Thread

kieferscoins · March 28, 2008 2:18AM

This thread explains it better

Lowdown short version:

Nov 2007

James Taylor leaves ICG as CEO

Dec 2007

James Taylor goes and buys ANACS..... fires everyone the day after Christmas Break except two employees
Taylor hires entire ICG staff except myself and the comptroller

Jan 2008

Taylor moves ANACS to Denver
ICG Hires all the fired ANACS graders

March 2008

I leave ICG and start dealing

Cameron Kiefer

BN · March 28, 2008 2:24AM

Are you serious..... that's just a tad shady....

Oh yeah... in modern terms... "It's just business.." ...right...

kieferscoins · March 28, 2008 2:25AM

Yeah now the lawsuits are going and it might be years until we see what happens with it.

Cameron Kiefer

Deadhorse · March 28, 2008 3:05AM

Cam, if Taylor had hired you as well to go to ANACS, would you have stayed with them?

Or were you already thinking of going out on your own beforehand?

I'm sure you'll do well, but curious minds wonder about such odd configurations/shenanigans.

Thanks

I used to submit certain coins to ANACS, but no more and likely not ever again.

kieferscoins · March 28, 2008 3:09AM

I was offered a job at ANACS (with a pay cut) and there was no health benefits for the first 2 months.....my wife had our first child in January so I decided to stay at ICG.

Cameron Kiefer

BN · March 28, 2008 3:18AM

hmm... so could it be said that if ICG used to give out high grades - as some would say - not me.

Can it now be said that with the old ANACS people working at ICG, the grading might be a bit more conservative?

No insults intended.... just curious. I'd like to keep working with ICG. I really like the fact I could just walk in with a bag full of coins... chat.. look them over and decide what to grade/slab.

I have a big problem with putting coins in the mail. - I know I know... insure it... etc... a lost coin is a lost coin.

BN

Bryan1315 · March 28, 2008 3:27AM

I leave ICG and start dealing

Cameron Kiefer >>

And just what are you dealing? J/K

Deadhorse · March 28, 2008 4:47AM

<< I was offered a job at ANACS (with a pay cut) and there was no health benefits for the first 2 months.....my wife had our first child in January so I decided to stay at ICG.

Cameron Kiefer >>

Thanks, I knew about the baby, congrats on that.

With a pay cut, no health insurance............... just confirms my feelings regarding Taylor.

I'm certain nothing from me will go to ANACS ever again.

Good luck, not that you'll need it.

Tyler1924S · March 28, 2008 5:47AM

<< 

<< With a pay cut, no health insurance............... just confirms my feelings regarding Taylor.

I'm certain nothing from me will go to ANACS ever again. >>

kieferscoins · March 28, 2008 5:58AM

I want to set the record straight....ANACS employees do have insurance now. It just took longer than expected for them to get everything up and running.

I have no bad feelings against ANACS or ICG and will be dropping off a submission of coins to ANACS this coming week.

Cameron Kiefer

BECOKA · March 28, 2008 6:05AM

<< I want to set the record straight....ANACS employees do have insurance now. It just took longer than expected for them to get everything up and running.

I have no bad feelings against ANACS or ICG and will be dropping off a submission of coins to ANACS this coming week.

Cameron Kiefer >>

I guess this means you believe ANACS to be fully operational and standards are pretty clear and competitive right now?

kieferscoins · March 28, 2008 6:09AM

They are competitive right now. They have some of the top experts in the industry and know their stuff. ANACS's turnaround times are slow right now and that will be a factor in deciding what to submit.

Cameron Kiefer

BECOKA · March 28, 2008 6:29AM

<< They are competitive right now. They have some of the top experts in the industry and know their stuff. ANACS's turnaround times are slow right now and that will be a factor in deciding what to submit.

Cameron Kiefer >>

Thanks for the insight. I like the latest holder they came out with.

beartracks42 · March 28, 2008 7:50AM

Do both ANACS and ICG now grade problem coins?

Thanks

Gary

BN · March 28, 2008 8:06AM

they do grade problem coins not, with annotation

jdimmick · March 28, 2008 8:27AM

Cameron is such a great guy, I wish him well with his own business.

As far as Anacs and ICG, probably be the last place I send submissions too at this point, too much goin on with them currently.

pontiacinf · March 28, 2008 8:34AM

<< I was offered a job at ANACS (with a pay cut) and there was no health benefits for the first 2 months.....my wife had our first child in January so I decided to stay at ICG.

Cameron Kiefer >>

holy &^*$% I cannot believe I missed the op to give you congrats on becoming a new dad

My best wishes to you and yours

CoastGuard · April 28, 2008 8:36AM

It should be mentioned that for Cameron to deal in coins he could not work at ICG. One of the things that made ICG special, besides always scoring high on the Greysheet bid analysis, was the prohibition of employees dealing in coins. Collectors like the idea that when we submit our few coins for grading we will get the same consistency as when a large dealer submits thousands of coins at one time. "No special deals"

kieferscoins · April 28, 2008 8:50AM

<< 

<< I was offered a job at ANACS (with a pay cut) and there was no health benefits for the first 2 months.....my wife had our first child in January so I decided to stay at ICG.

Cameron Kiefer >>

holy &^*$% I cannot believe I missed the op to give you congrats on becoming a new dad

My best wishes to you and yours

>>

Thanks Man! Here we are:

LeeG · April 28, 2008 8:55AM

Congrat's on the new addition.

I see a little bit of tired around your eye's.

ricko · April 28, 2008 9:05AM

Good looking child.... congratulations.. Cheers, RickO

pontiacinf · April 28, 2008 9:08AM

Cam

You could not possibly know how happy I am for you

Im sure you will make a great dad.

p.s. I saw mary kate the other night outside STK in the meat packing district, and I thought man, shes all mine now

kieferscoins · April 28, 2008 9:12AM

<< Cam

You could not possibly know how happy I am for you

Im sure you will make a great dad.

p.s. I saw mary kate the other night outside STK in the meat packing district, and I thought man, shes all mine now

>>

hahaha go for it. was she buying meat?

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