My 1809 bust half does not fit in the 7070 hole

RYK · February 24, 2008 2:33AM

My 1809 bust half did not easily fit in the assigned slot in my Dansco 7070. This coin was a downgrade for the coin that previously resided in the slot and fit nicely. Could someone please explain why this coin did not fit AND if you are going to use the term "open collar" in the explanation, please explain what that means?

OffMetal · February 24, 2008 2:43AM

Broadstruck

Barry · February 24, 2008 2:44AM

Just file it down...

Open collar - think of the dies as an oreo cookie. The planchet is the cream. If you squeeze hard enough, the cream oozes out the sides. There's nothing there to stop it from expanding.

OffMetal · February 24, 2008 2:46AM

<< <i>Just file it down... >>

BINGO! File the coin down so it will fit!

mozeppa · February 24, 2008 2:48AM

hold it over the end of a pipe of like size...strike the middle of the coin with a ball peen hammer.

don't hit too hard lest it get lodged inside the pipe.

bottleguy · February 24, 2008 2:50AM

My 1806 and 1811 are bothe too big for my Dansco and, of course, my 1839 is way too small (it just rattles and floats inside). The way around it is to remove both sides of the plastic and hold the album page up vertically. Then take a round pen or pencil and lightly rotate it around the outer edges of the slot and ream it out just a bit larger. Worked for me.

Regards,

Rick

ricko · February 24, 2008 2:59AM

This interests me.... is there a difference in dies of that time? Or is it indeed 'open collar'? I have not run into this phenomenon... Cheers, RickO

gecko109 · February 24, 2008 3:05AM

<< <i>This interests me.... is there a difference in dies of that time? Or is it indeed 'open collar'? I have not run into this phenomenon... Cheers, RickO >>

Close collars werent used until 1828. And steam driven presses in '36.

slumlord98 · February 24, 2008 3:11AM

RYK,

Which die marriage is the coin that won't fit, O.105? And how about an image? I know you aren't an Overton collector, but certain die marriages from different years are known to be oversized, and the oversized ones are always of a similar die state, indicating they were struck at approximately the same time. The planchet doesn't weigh more; it is due to strike anomaly. The press operators may have just come back from morning rum break and were feeling peppy and put extra oomph into each strike; conversely, they may have been feeling fatigued and were coasting as it was nearly lunch break or quitting time. Also, the cause may have been machine related. No one has researched this AFAIK and the actual culprit isn't known. However, the "open collar" was at most indirectly the cause. No one knows exactly what the so-called "open collar" (Moulton now uses a different term) looked like and how it worked, nor does anyone know exactly what/how the feeder/ejector mechanism looked like and how it worked. If Joe Rust was still around, he would be able to research these topics and provide answers/explanations.

<< <i>Close collars werent used until 1828. And steam driven presses in '36. >>

Close collars weren't used on halves until 1836.

mgoodm3 · February 24, 2008 3:13AM

Probably a fake.

rgCoinGuy · February 24, 2008 3:17AM

Just do what that U-Tube video that was posted on here a week or two ago showed you how to do, grab a claw hammer!

BECOKA · February 24, 2008 4:58AM

You said not easily, so does that mean it's in forcefully.

Broadstruck · February 24, 2008 5:02AM

OR

droopyd · February 24, 2008 5:21AM

I had an 1807 half cent that was too small for the page... so I sold it! (Also it had been shellacked.)

mozin · February 24, 2008 5:36AM

Before I started submitting my Capped Bust Half Dollars to the grading services, I placed each of them into their own Capital plastic holder. A good share of the earlier dates were too large in diameter, so I reamed out the plastic holders to fit each coin. Believe me, I did a lot of reaming. On some of the later dates, I needed to insert tiny plastic flip material wedges at the rim because the Capital holders had too large openings.

habaraca · February 25, 2008 4:50AM

might also be a Guido, (hope the spelling is correct here)

Do you see any flat looking spots on the dentiles 180 degrees apart. Also edge lettering overlapping or missing?

It will have a very slight oblong, or pinched look.
Those didn't make it through the edging machines just right, so the edges weren't squeezed properly.

Longacre · February 25, 2008 5:58AM

Of course a slab cannot fit into a Dansco 7070, silly.

TwoSides2aCoin · February 25, 2008 6:11AM

Well either the coin is made in China or the album is

My 1809 bust half does not fit in the 7070 hole

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