What would you Grade this 1917 Buff

Type2 · February 22, 2008 3:08PM

Thanks in advance.

tightbudget · February 22, 2008 3:28PM

Assuming no wear, I'd give it about a 61-62.

BECOKA · February 22, 2008 3:30PM

I'll go either AU58 or MS63.

The photo's might turn out better if you remove it from the capsule. The luster will show much better.

Cam40 · February 22, 2008 3:32PM

wheres the buff!

oh scroll right

58

BBN · February 22, 2008 3:35PM

Buf experts. I'm trying to learn here. What causes that coin to drop to AU?

DustyCoinbox · February 22, 2008 3:42PM

Touch of rub on the head and horn (reverse). Still a high AU, 58 IMHO.

BBN · February 22, 2008 3:44PM

<< Touch of rub on the head and horn (reverse). Still a high AU, 58 IMHO. >>

Now that you mention that I see it. Thanks!

Cam40 · February 22, 2008 3:54PM

not that its a no-brainer 58
it could go 64 on a good day.
grading pics could differ from coin in hand grades ofcourse

BBN · February 22, 2008 3:55PM

OK, I've seen some Buffalos with excellent buffalo shoulder detail get a 65 or 66 and seen some with less shoulder detail draw a 67. Is this detail even considered for the grade or is this the difference between early strikes with new dies and later strikes with well used dies? For me, rough, detailed shoulder fur and the higher relief on the hip of the buffalo really make the coin for me.

Cam40 · February 22, 2008 4:01PM

i,m no buff expert and dont play one on tv but
i know some dates/mm are notorious for weak strikes
and are graded on a curve more or less.
grades and values are all over the map with this series

one pup or pickup point on the reverse is the tail tip of the bison
so they look at that for grade assesment

Type2 · February 22, 2008 4:01PM

Some years had a soft strike.

ALHENDER22 · February 22, 2008 10:51PM

I guess I am tougher EF45 look at the wear on the rim between one and 4, the light on the picture made the REV to hard to tell. You guys are going to love me as
a grader when I go to work at the new PCI owned by DLRC in Virginia Beach, VA none of this overgrading stuff "TONGUE IN CHEEK" seriously, I think the OBV of the
coin is an EF-45.

Al

cape · February 22, 2008 11:19PM

THIS IS WHY I LOVE BUFFALOES , NONE OF YOU KNOW HOW TO GRADE THEM . THIS COIN DOES HAVE A WEAK STRIKE BUT BELEIVE ME IT IS AN EASY MS63 COIN BY THIS IMAGE!

fcloud · February 22, 2008 11:37PM

The image makes it hard to tell. The color looks odd, so if the coin doesn't bb for cleaning it could go 63. I think it is stuck too weak to go 64.

coinkat · February 23, 2008 12:19AM

I like the 1914 more... I don't think this one gets above 62.

ricko · February 23, 2008 12:33AM

MS63... a better picture (such as mgoodm3 or JapanJohn might provide) could move it either way. Cheers, RickO

Shamika · February 23, 2008 12:34AM

<< For me, rough, detailed shoulder fur and the higher relief on the hip of the buffalo really make the coin for me. >>

I couldn't agree more. Take a look at the 1917 below.

jerryf43 · February 23, 2008 12:59AM

ms/62

BBN · February 23, 2008 2:37AM

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<< For me, rough, detailed shoulder fur and the higher relief on the hip of the buffalo really make the coin for me. >>

I couldn't agree more. Take a look at the 1917 below.

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Chris, I like that coin. Make a good piece in a dansco. Is that yours? What does it grade?

intocoins · February 23, 2008 5:29AM

I think it is a 63/64.

Most P mint Buffalo's are well struck, you just have to be patient and know what to look for.

Shamika · February 23, 2008 11:56AM

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<< For me, rough, detailed shoulder fur and the higher relief on the hip of the buffalo really make the coin for me. >>

I couldn't agree more. Take a look at the 1917 below.

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Chris, I like that coin. Make a good piece in a dansco. Is that yours? What does it grade? >>

Yes. It's an undergraded 64.

BBN · February 23, 2008 12:14PM

I agree on the undergraded. You going to resubmit it?

yellowjacket · February 23, 2008 1:04PM

EF 45, uh, no.

I agree with "the cape" on this one. The soft detail appears to be from striking issues and not from wear. The luster appears "flat" and there are some surface hits. I'm going with 63.

Garrow

Shamika · February 23, 2008 3:00PM

<< I agree on the undergraded. You going to resubmit it? >>

I don't mean to hijack this thread, but I prefer keeping it as the undergraded coin it is. It has more WOW appeal.

gyocomgd · February 23, 2008 3:25PM

I'm with Cape on this. There is no wear at all. It would go MS64 were it not for the hit on the cheek. So I see it as MS63.

GoldenEyeNumismatics · February 23, 2008 5:06PM

62

cape · February 24, 2008 10:11AM

hey chris, i'll give you better than 64 ask money for your 17p coin!

Connecticoin · February 24, 2008 10:50AM

Although hard to tell from the image, one can see that luster on the coin "cartwheels", so I don't understand the AU58 comments either. I would guess 63 as well.

jfoot13 · February 24, 2008 11:21AM

I can see that coin in a 63 holder and with a sticker

ad4400 · February 24, 2008 11:27PM

same as I said in the 14-P post: decent luster, so-so strike, some noticable hits = 63

What would you Grade this 1917 Buff

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