Ebay Scumbag Seller

notwilight · January 30, 2008 11:54AM

This guy, leszekb, stole my photo and then undercut my price. What a low life. I've reported him.

Scumbag auction

My Buy it Now price is $1399. He stole the photo from my store listing here. I hope ebay does more than take down the auction but my guess is that is all. I assume that with the new feedback rules guys like this won't be able to keep 100% feedback.

Thanks to ebay buyer and seller jessewvu who is a good guy and pointed this out to me.

--Jerry

gecko109 · January 30, 2008 12:00PM

Jerry, just sent the seller this message. I'll update you later with his response (if any).

Any particular reason that you stole this photo from another ebay member? Are you just too lazy to take your own pics? Are you aware that ebay does not allow this without permission from the owner of such photo? Please remove this photo, or I will have it removed for you. Thanks.

Phil

ArizonaJack · January 30, 2008 12:03PM

I chimed in to.....

GoldenEyeNumismatics · January 30, 2008 12:04PM

Judging from his feedback, he does actually have the coin, just didn't want to take the pictures.

Dabigkahuna · January 30, 2008 12:04PM

That really blows!

I'm not surprised though with everything that happens on Ebay. The guy probably doesn't even think he is doing anything wrong.

dbldie55 · January 30, 2008 12:05PM

I bet his look just like it, all 3 of them. (not the point, but it is not like the image is anything other than a representation of the plastic)

wondercoin · January 30, 2008 12:10PM

Jerry - Would it be helpful to start burning your "Carlsbad Eagletrader" ebay name into the bottom of your pictures to prevent this from happening? Very sleazy thing to do.

Wondercoin

droopyd · January 30, 2008 12:13PM

<< This guy, leszekb, stole my photo and then undercut my price. >>

Maybe he plans to buy yours and flip for a lower price.....

Free · January 30, 2008 12:14PM

If for nothing else, shouldn't ebay pull it anyway due to the fact he doesn't have a pic of the slab's reverse?

OPA · January 30, 2008 12:36PM

In addition, his PayPal payment policy is not in compliance

<< PAYMENT: PayPal accepted from verified users only - 3% charge will be added to final amount - Coin will be shipped to confirmed address only - Must have Ebay feedback of 25 or more >>

notwilight · January 30, 2008 1:16PM

I spoke to eBay earlier and they told me they'd get right on it.

I wish he had linked to my photo. I would have put this message across the bottom of it: "I stole this photo from carlsbadeagletrader. I am a sleazy slimeball and you should never buy from me."

--Jerry

gecko109 · January 30, 2008 1:18PM

How do you contact other members that you dont have current business with? I used to be able to do that all the time, but ebay wont let me now.

Mar327 · January 30, 2008 1:43PM

<< How do you contact other members that you dont have current business with? I used to be able to do that all the time, but ebay wont let me now. >>

You can either click their name and find "contact member" under their "My World" or their feedback rating and the "contact member" is on the top right of the page. You can ask a question then will have to type the number they show in the box before you send.

19Lyds · January 30, 2008 2:20PM

This same scenario occured to me and EBay did nothing since I had not put anything in the photo indicating that it was my photo. Copyright and a name need to be across the photo.

Yeah it detracts from the photo but if done in a light shaded font, its barely noticeable.

ArizonaJack · January 30, 2008 2:34PM

OK, how do we burn our id onto a pic? I use auctiva....THANKS !!!

Bochiman · January 30, 2008 2:47PM

You have to use a photo editing software to put in the name/text.
It's a good idea.

As for using another ID to BIN on a coin where the seller stole your picture....well, if you follow through with the auction and pay, then fine. If you get into a pissing contest saying "it isn't the coin in the picture" and receive the coin or argue, then I think it is going too far. Sounds like auction interference is happening and, while I can understand why (I had my photos stolen before...though, mine are so crappy I can't understand why

), I don't think it is right to do it that way.

Now, the seller and his paypal = 3% extra statement means he can get his auctions pulled very quickly...they don't like that

Coxe · January 30, 2008 3:03PM

<< You have to use a photo editing software to put in the name/text.
It's a good idea. >>

Except that can be edited too. I see the image was resized by that seller as well. Wasn't sure that it was the same photo at first because of that pixel difference. Easy to argue that it isn't your photo in the first place then and counter with auction interference charges. Be careful how you handle it.

notwilight · January 30, 2008 3:04PM

Bochiman,
If ebay takes down an auction then the buyer has no responsibility. I had this happen to me many times during the great rules change fiasco of 2007. Of course I always pay for any legitimate auction I end up buying. --Jerry

notwilight · January 30, 2008 3:06PM

<< 

<< You have to use a photo editing software to put in the name/text. It's a good idea. >>

Except that can be edited too. I see the image was resized by that seller as well. Wasn't sure that it was the same photo at first because of that pixel difference. Easy to argue that it isn't your photo in the first place then and counter with auction interference charges. Be careful how you handle it. >>

This was one I blocked the Serial Number out on. I think the signature of the grey bumpy markup is pretty clear. I just spoke to them and they agree. --Jerry

Bochiman · January 30, 2008 3:09PM

<< Bochiman,
If ebay takes down an auction then the buyer has no responsibility. I had this happen to me many times during the great rules change fiasco of 2007. Of course I always pay for any legitimate auction I end up buying. --Jerry >>

Yes, I know. IF ebay takes the auction down....still a risky venture...and IF the other buyer tells ebay or the seller you contacted them, then ebay may get you for auction interference. Trust me, I know the rules/results

Coxe · January 30, 2008 3:10PM

<< 

<< 

<< You have to use a photo editing software to put in the name/text. It's a good idea. >>

Except that can be edited too. I see the image was resized by that seller as well. Wasn't sure that it was the same photo at first because of that pixel difference. Easy to argue that it isn't your photo in the first place then and counter with auction interference charges. Be careful how you handle it. >>

This was one I blocked the Serial Number out on. I think the signature of the grey bumpy markup is pretty clear. I just spoke to them and they agree. --Jerry >>

I hope so, Jerry. I could see someone copying the idea. It is pretty damned likely that it is from your original image and it will be handled as such. Just pointing out that if someone alters an image by resizing it and then jpeg'ing it, proof is never 100%. It is unlikely the claim will be challenged anyway.

wondercoin · January 30, 2008 3:12PM

Bochiman - Wouldn't it be the prudent thing to do notifying a buyer of an ebay auction that the coin he thought he was buying was actually the property of another ebay seller? Assuming, that is, the scan has any significance whatsoever to the buying decision process. If you were that buyer, wouldn't you greatly appreciate a "heads up" to at least be careful in such a transaction? Wondercoin

notwilight · January 30, 2008 3:13PM

Another forum member PMd me some HTML code to put at the top of your listing template and whenever a photo is right clicked a window opens that says something to the effect of, "If you want to use my photo please e-mail me" and doesn't allow them to copy it. Very cool. --Jerry

notwilight · January 30, 2008 3:17PM

<< Bochiman - Wouldn't it be the prudent thing to do notifying a buyer of an ebay auction that the coin he thought he was buying was actually the property of another ebay seller? Assuming, that is, the scan has any significance whatsoever to the buying decision process. If you were that buyer, wouldn't you greatly appreciate a "heads up" to at least be careful in such a transaction? Wondercoin >>

And my warning was more along the lines of "I don't know if this guy has coins or not but he doesn't have pictures". We had a forum member here recently who lost over $2000 on an auction that was using a stolen photo and didn't deliver. --Jerry

Coxe · January 30, 2008 3:17PM

<< Another forum member PMd me some HTML code to put at the top of your listing template and whenever a photo is right clicked a window opens that says something to the effect of, "If you want to use my photo please e-mail me" and doesn't allow them to copy it. Very cool. --Jerry >>

Yeah. Easy to circumvent but it is like the house with the security system....they'll just move along to another target.

With gifs, it is easy to just embed text into unused portions of the color table section of the file and use that as a proof of a claim. Works with many formats actually. (Something al-Qaida could used to pass messages on public websites, just altering that inert portion of a file periodically. Could be a website banner even.)

Tyler1924S · January 30, 2008 3:17PM

<< I think the signature of the grey bumpy markup is pretty clear. I just spoke to them and they agree. --Jerry >>

As is the grey dot at lower left of the slab. You must have clicked there just before or after you made the larger grey mark.

Bochiman · January 30, 2008 3:20PM

<< Bochiman - Wouldn't it be the prudent thing to do notifying a buyer of an ebay auction that the coin he thought he was buying was actually the property of another ebay seller? Assuming, that is, the scan has any significance whatsoever to the buying decision process. If you were that buyer, wouldn't you greatly appreciate a "heads up" to at least be careful in such a transaction? Wondercoin >>

IF it is a possibility of the coin not being sold. If it is a "modern/common looking" coin (which, I don't know what the actual coin was and not really concerned about that), then enough modern (particularly powersellers

) sellers have already stated that a stock photo is all they want to do since the coins all look the same. In that instance, it is just getting pissy, imho. And like you said, Mitch, "assuming the scan has significance". You're making an assumption.

Also, like I said...I was just stating what ebay could do according to THEIR policies....it would still be considered auction interference....true or false? Regardless of the reason behind it.

notwilight · January 30, 2008 3:27PM

<< 

<< Bochiman - Wouldn't it be the prudent thing to do notifying a buyer of an ebay auction that the coin he thought he was buying was actually the property of another ebay seller? Assuming, that is, the scan has any significance whatsoever to the buying decision process. If you were that buyer, wouldn't you greatly appreciate a "heads up" to at least be careful in such a transaction? Wondercoin >>

IF it is a possibility of the coin not being sold. If it is a "modern/common looking" coin (which, I don't know what the actual coin was and not really concerned about that), then enough modern (particularly powersellers

) sellers have already stated that a stock photo is all they want to do since the coins all look the same. In that instance, it is just getting pissy, imho. And like you said, Mitch, "assuming the scan has significance". You're making an assumption. Also, like I said...I was just stating what ebay could do according to THEIR policies....it would still be considered auction interference....true or false? Regardless of the reason behind it. >>

My you can be difficult. yes, a stock photo is ok. A stolen photo is not. Stolen photos are used by scammers like the one who recently nailed a forum member. Is that clear? Once I get this guy's contact info I can PM it to you in case you want to represent him.

--Jerry

Bochiman · January 30, 2008 3:39PM

Jerry,

Let's get a few things straight.....

I don't care that you contacted the buyer or bid on the auction. No skin off my nose.
I do think you broke ebay policies and if they came back on you, I would hope you wouldn't whine about it (not saying you would....just saying I would hope you wouldn't since you knowingly did what you did).
I could care less about representing him

For the record, I understand stock photos but, as more a buyer than a seller, and more a collector than a flipper, I think it is stupid. I would rather someone use the Mint's photo as an example of the coin than a stock photo of one in a slab, or no photo at all.
Also, yes, it is a stolen photo. It sucks. It happens. Life continues. As I said, I have had my photos stolen before as well...confronted the seller about it, then moved on. There is too much going on in life to worry about trying to lock everything down because of 1 person or always worry about the boogeyman

Sorry I am so difficult for you...I really do try to be easy to figure out....I am blunt, follow rules, and call 'em like I see 'em.....and dislike whining/OT threads/and bad dealers/collectors. (note...not saying you are any of the above but just things that can help figure me out so I am not so difficult

)

wondercoin · January 30, 2008 3:41PM

"And like you said, Mitch, "assuming the scan has significance". You're making an assumption."

Bochiman - My reference to the "assumption" related to EBAY strongly believing these pictures have great significance in the purchasing process.

Wondercoin

Bochiman · January 30, 2008 3:47PM

<< "And like you said, Mitch, "assuming the scan has significance". You're making an assumption."

Bochiman - My reference to the "assumption" related to EBAY strongly believing these pictures have great significance in the purchasing process.

Wondercoin >>

Yep...and given that, I would agree with you. Still doesn't mean "auction interference" didn't occur....even if for a good reason....does it?

notwilight · January 30, 2008 3:48PM

<< Jerry, Let's get a few things straight..... I don't care that you contacted the buyer or bid on the auction. No skin off my nose. I do think you broke ebay policies and if they came back on you, I would hope you wouldn't whine about it (not saying you would....just saying I would hope you wouldn't since you knowingly did what you did). I could care less about representing him

For the record, I understand stock photos but, as more a buyer than a seller, and more a collector than a flipper, I think it is stupid. I would rather someone use the Mint's photo as an example of the coin than a stock photo of one in a slab, or no photo at all. Also, yes, it is a stolen photo. It sucks. It happens. Life continues. As I said, I have had my photos stolen before as well...confronted the seller about it, then moved on. There is too much going on in life to worry about trying to lock everything down because of 1 person or always worry about the boogeyman

Sorry I am so difficult for you...I really do try to be easy to figure out....I am blunt, follow rules, and call 'em like I see 'em.....and dislike whining/OT threads/and bad dealers/collectors. (note...not saying you are any of the above but just things that can help figure me out so I am not so difficult

) >>

Bochiman, You sir, are an ass. This thread is about stolen photos and you prefer to develop into a pissing contest about your interpretation of ebay rules. I've been on ebay for about 15 years now and if I need your help I'll ask for it. Crawl back under your rock and leave my thread alone. And there's an OT thread on page 3 you missed whining about. Oh wait, you just said you don't whine...I guess it's ok to whine if you're the one doing it, eh? --Jerry

wondercoin · January 30, 2008 3:52PM

"Yep...and given that, I would agree with you."

Great - let's leave it at that then.

Wondercoin

gecko109 · January 30, 2008 4:01PM

This thread turned sour quicker than a gallon of milk left outside on a balmy Alabama summer night!

notwilight · January 30, 2008 4:09PM

Gecko,
I'm going to revive it. One bad apple can't spoil the whole bunch.

Check out this auction that I just relisted with a script in it to prevent stealing the photos. Right click on any of my photos.

Coxe, If you, as a coding jedi master, know the way around this please PM it to me rather than post it for all criminals to google.

Seriously, i'd like your thoughts on how effective it is in preventing photo theft.

--Jerry

Coxe · January 30, 2008 4:17PM

PM sent.

Bochiman · January 30, 2008 4:20PM

Jerry,

You can call me what you want...you are being quite emotional and I won't continue on you...sounds like this seller really hurt you. Best of luck in going after him!!!

Bochiman · January 30, 2008 4:24PM

btw, Jerry,

Your solution isn't that effective....took less than 1 minute (no joking):
Look familiar?

notwilight · January 30, 2008 4:24PM

<< Jerry, You can call me what you want...you are being quite emotional and I won't continue on you...sounds like this seller really hurt you. Best of luck in going after him!!!

>>

The seller acted badly and i have that under control. There is one forum member who seems to want to defend his actions and I have that under control. Calling 'em like I see 'em isn't being emotional. --Jerry

Bochiman · January 30, 2008 4:28PM

<< 

<< Jerry, You can call me what you want...you are being quite emotional and I won't continue on you...sounds like this seller really hurt you. Best of luck in going after him!!!

>>

The seller acted badly and i have that under control. There is one forum member who seems to want to defend his actions and I have that under control. Calling 'em like I see 'em isn't being emotional. --Jerry >>

Defending his actions? If you mean me, you need to get reading comprehension. Sheesh...go back and read where I said it wasn't right...I also said I don't see it as a big thing unless it meets the condition Wondercoin mentioned.

Dude! Have YOU been drinking? You are being more emotional and whiny than normal. I guess you don't like people disagreeing with you Mr "15 years selling on ebay"

"crawl back under a rock"
"leave my thread alone"

Quite the superiority complex you seem to be exhibiting, huh?

As for OT threads...yeah, I don't like 'em. Are you still upset because yours got nuked? There are other forums out there for non-coin threads

Bochiman · January 30, 2008 4:30PM

Now, I am done with "your thread" for the night

Time to get some sleep....if you continue to call me names and such, I will be happy to reply to you in the morning. If you don't continue, then I will not add to the thread.....night nite Sheriff Ebay

notwilight · January 30, 2008 4:37PM

noted.

notwilight · January 31, 2008 1:30AM

<< Wow, jerry never saw you deride anyone before...but boy he/she deserves it. Good that you pursued it with eBay though. He probably would have this zapped anyway, as he doesn't have a reverse photo. >>

It's not fun but some of us have decided to start standing up to some forum members who have gone unchallenged in the past. thanks, Jerry

53BKid · January 31, 2008 1:30AM

Wow, jerry never saw you deride anyone before...but boy he/she deserves it. Good that you pursued it with eBay though.

He probably would have this zapped anyway, as he doesn't have a reverse photo.

Bochiman · January 31, 2008 1:38AM

<< 

<< Wow, jerry never saw you deride anyone before...but boy he/she deserves it. Good that you pursued it with eBay though. He probably would have this zapped anyway, as he doesn't have a reverse photo. >>

It's not fun but some of us have decided to start standing up to some forum members who have gone unchallenged in the past. thanks, Jerry >>

Unchallenged? Standing up? Ok Jerry...go back, my posts are uneditted, and show me where I condoned the seller's behaviour....go ahead.
I guess fun is back on this morning, right?

As for 53BKid.....tell me where I deserved it....go ahead. I guess 2 wrongs make a right, right? Tell me where, right or wrong, it wasn't auction interference.

notwilight · January 31, 2008 1:45AM

Boch,
I'm done. I've told you how I feel and have nothing else to say.--jerry

Bochiman · January 31, 2008 1:48AM

<< Boch,
I'm done. I've told you how I feel and have nothing else to say.--jerry >>

Yeah....I noticed you have "nothing else to say"...yet, someone else pops up and then you do have "something else to say"....which is it?

wondercoin · January 31, 2008 1:53AM

Bochiman - Why don't you take this to private PM's so you and Jerry can curse each other out appropriately and the rest of us don't have to read this BS. I was only interested in the topic of thread - who to possibly avoid on ebay and what were they doing and why. Thanks.

Wondercoin

Bochiman · January 31, 2008 2:49AM

<< Bochiman - Why don't you take this to private PM's so you and Jerry can curse each other out appropriately and the rest of us don't have to read this BS. I was only interested in the topic of thread - who to possibly avoid on ebay and what were they doing and why. Thanks.

Wondercoin >>

Mitch, I did...before you even posted. But, he wants to post something in public, I will reply in public.

notwilight · January 31, 2008 6:35AM

Ebay ended the items. Game over. Anybody get any reply from the seller? --Jerry

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