The new eBay coin policy has been officially announced.
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hit the show more stuff below that. there is 3 show links.
the first lists the tpgs.
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<< <i>follow the link that says updated policy page.
hit the show more stuff below that. there is 3 show links.
the first lists the tpgs. >>
I see now it's hidden under "Some Examples", well that's crystal clear
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"Everything is on its way to somewhere. Everything." - George Malley, Phenomenon
http://www.american-legacy-coins.com
Please see the "Some Examples" section below on detailed requirements for listing Certified Coins, Raw/Uncertified Coins, Replica Coins and Replica Paper Currency.
Violations of this policy may result in a range of actions, including:
Listing cancellation
Limits on account privileges
Account suspension
Forfeit of eBay fees on cancelled listings
Loss of PowerSeller status
Some Examples
Certified Coins
When listing a certified coin, the coin must be certified by one of the following authorized grading companies:
Numismatic Guaranty Corporation (NGC)
Numismatic Conservation Services (NCS)
Professional Coin Grading Service (PCGS)
Independent Coin Grading (ICG)
ANACS
In addition, listings for certified coins:
Must be assigned the appropriate grading attributes in each listing. Sellers must select the appropriate grading attributes within the Sell Your Item form, including "Grading Company," "Grade" and "Serial Number" provided with that grading.
The listing must include an image of the item, showing the coin in its graded holder, front and back.
If the coin listed is not certified by one of the above authorized grading companies, the coin is considered raw/uncertified and is subject to additional requirements for their sale.
Raw and Uncertified Coins
A raw or uncertified coin is defined as any coin not graded by one of the authorized grading companies. Sellers are permitted to list these items on eBay under the following conditions:
A numeric grade is not included in the title of the listing, such as MS-65, VF-25, etc. A numeric grade may only be included in the description of the listing.
The grading company or price guide is not referenced in the title or description.
A dollar value (even if personal opinion) is not included in the title or description.
Replica Coins and Paper Currency
The sale of replica coins and paper currency is regulated by U.S. federal law. Accordingly, the sale of such items is permitted on eBay as long as the following requirements are met:
Replica Coins
Any "reproduction," "replica," or "copy" coin (U.S. or foreign) must be plainly and permanently marked with the word COPY.
The listing must include an image of the coin reflecting the appropriate markings. Images that are dark, out of focus, doctored or otherwise deemed misleading are not permitted. Stock photos are also not permitted.
The listing must clearly state that it is a "reproduction," "replica" or "copy" in both the title and description.
Replica Paper Currency
Black and white paper currency reproduction may only be listed if they are less than 75% or greater than 150% of the size of the original item being reproduced.
Color paper currency reproductions may be listed if they are one-sided and less than 75% or greater than 150% of the size of the original item being reproduced.
The listing must include an image of the paper currency. Images that are dark, out of focus, doctors or otherwise deemed misleading are not permitted. Stock photos are also not permitted.
<< <i>"Grading Company," "Grade" and "Serial Number" >>
This answeres the question if the certification number must be listed or shown in the photo plus no Stock Photo's!
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To give sellers a few weeks to make any needed adjustments, enforcement will begin on October 1st.
"Everything is on its way to somewhere. Everything." - George Malley, Phenomenon
http://www.american-legacy-coins.com
It would be nice if this rule was enforced. All I would have to do is type '-reproduction -replica -copy' along with my search. I wish Ebay would stop letting sellers use the word "proof" to mean replica.
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Seems eBay has bigger fish to fry than coin slabbers. Apropos of nothing, thought it was funny.
Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."
<< <i> Raw and Uncertified Coins
A raw or uncertified coin is defined as any coin not graded by one of the authorized grading companies. Sellers are permitted to list these items on eBay under the following conditions... >>
Based on this new policy, "crap slabs" can still be listed for sale. People who search based on price are still going to find and bid on these items.
<< <i>how did NCS have the clout to make this list? >>
NCS is a division of Collectors Society, the parent company of NGC. NGC and Ebay have an agreement for Ebay users to be able to submit coins without having to be a member of Collectors Society and have worked to integrate Collectors Society's many divisions as the prefered grading company for many collectables. You will notice that PCGS is third on the list even though the collecting community considers it to be the top grading service. The placement of PCGS as third on the list did not happen by accident.
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Sounds like almost every post person on that thread just had Thanksgiving Dinner and they are 100% satisfied.
Let see... Rumored that ANA/Ebay consulted (a coin advisory board type of thing). NGC is the ANA official grading service to the tune of x amount of $'s per year over the next five years... again! Now you will be reported to the "ANA" if you step outside the new Ebay "guidelines". Wow that's scary since three fourths of the ebay TPG listings have just been reduced to raw and for the one or two legitimate services (were second tier grading services) now reduced to the "Third World" TPGs what does it matter. I'm not sure what happened to second tier and third tier... they just seem to have vanished.
I have to admit I haven't been paying that much attention to all the "self slabbers". I didn't realise how many there are and it is a problem. I'm still living in a world where there were five and sometimes six... PCGS, ANACS, NGC, PCI, and SEGS. Where have all the flowers gone?
It is difficult to believe that Ebay couldn't police "qualified" TPG's. All it takes would be an application, references, bios, etc....
The world is weird and evil!
So in the title can you say VF - EF Condition since you are not giving it a numerical grade?
on the slab. Now a scammer can list a legit auction and not even own the coin listed.
I do think it's a step in the right direction though.
Thats a double violation.
"The PCGS Price guide has this listed at $1250.00 for MS67, and there is not even a price listed for anything graded higher than that because they are so scarce! Just imagine what the possibilities are for this MS70! This is your chance to get an amazing low date graded wheat penny!"
Hurry get your $1250 Lincoln for .99, what a deal.
SGS link
<< <i>Sellers who fail to disclose information about the authenticity of coins or paper money, alterations to coins or paper money, or other information which may have a material impact on the coin or paper money value may be reported to the American Numismatic Association (ANA). >>
that will make china quake with fear!
As you may already know, illegitimate grading is a problem in the Coins category.
Illegitimate
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So, when is a spade not a spade ? When you sell it as a heart in the ebay club and you embellish it with a diamond™
How come PCGS won't accept NGC coins into their registry ? Illegitimate grading, perhaps ?
So put another
Coal on the fire
The deck is stacked, but I'm okay with monopoly...it's just a game !
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<< <i>It's going to be interesting to see how you list more then one slab in a listing? >>
Marty, I'm assuming I can still list an auction with QTY 3 with only one photo of th obverse and reverse. If they want a photo of EVERY slab, I'm gonna have to hire some help. --Jerry
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$12,750 Coin 1884-S MS61 CERTIFIED SILVER MORGAN DOLLAR
<< <i>how did NCS have the clout to make this list? >>
This is a prime example of why this "New & Improved" regulation is garbage......The likes and dislikes of Grading Companys are as subjective as grading coins.....
AL
<< <i>Too funny, I've watched you guys whine about ebay for years, now finally they do something and you still whine about them. If you don't like ebay don't use it. >>
I second that emotion!
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<< <i>how did NCS have the clout to make this list? >>
This is a prime example of why this "New & Improved" regulation is garbage......The likes and dislikes of Grading Companys are as subjective as grading coins.....
AL >>
How can you compare the likes of SGS, ANI or anything slabbed & labeled in a Coin World holder to the top TPG's? No "subjective" decissions in involeved....
<< <i>Called ebay and was told that I have to take a separate picture of EVERY slabbed MS69 silver eagle, and enter the serial number of each one! Not going to be cost effective to list them. Also just got off the phone wth J.T. Stanton of PCI. Both he and Larry Briggs of SEGS are working on the situation. >>
Sounds like a conservative default from a guessing customer service phone talker (I hope). I'll get my account rep working on it. --Jerry
<< <i>It's going to be interesting to see how you list more then one slab in a listing? >>
I've been trying to get an explaination of why they need the reverse of the slab in the listing but all my account rep will tell me is: "T&S is not giving that information out right now".
I bet that within a month, it'll just be the obverse (Unless it's an ANACS slab - Genius idea to put the cert # on the back.
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<< <i>how did NCS have the clout to make this list? >>
NCS is a division of Collectors Society, the parent company of NGC. NGC and Ebay have an agreement for Ebay users to be able to submit coins without having to be a member of Collectors Society and have worked to integrate Collectors Society's many divisions as the prefered grading company for many collectables. You will notice that PCGS is third on the list even though the collecting community considers it to be the top grading service. The placement of PCGS as third on the list did not happen by accident. >>
not exactly. you state "collecting community". if you want to phrase it in these terms, you should consider how the "collecting community" considers each grading service at the tope of the heap:
US Coins: PCGS
world coins: NGC
ancients: ICG
whether ebay listed them as a ranking in their eyes, or simply (as i believe) a list of accepted companies only, they all have a large part to play in grading coins from here and around the world.
<< <i>Called ebay and was told that I have to take a separate picture of EVERY slabbed MS69 silver eagle, and enter the serial number of each one! Not going to be cost effective to list them. Also just got off the phone wth J.T. Stanton of PCI. Both he and Larry Briggs of SEGS are working on the situation. >>
maybe they should work on getting a grading guarantee akin to PCGS/NGC? then, they should work on getting on ebay's good side.
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<< <i>Called ebay and was told that I have to take a separate picture of EVERY slabbed MS69 silver eagle, and enter the serial number of each one! Not going to be cost effective to list them. Also just got off the phone wth J.T. Stanton of PCI. Both he and Larry Briggs of SEGS are working on the situation. >>
maybe they should work on getting a grading guarantee akin to PCGS/NGC? then, they should work on getting on ebay's good side. >>
Do they also need to get on the good side of collectors? Seems like there's an even split between those that think PCI/SEGS should be included and those that think they shouldn't?
<< <i>I predict eBay will be besieged over the next few weeks with irate sellers that may be trying to include "other" TPG's intials in the text description of their listings. Seems a bit oppressive of eBay to deny any indication other than an image, of the grading company which has offered an OPINION
eBay probably did not want to do this but they got a lot of flack for a long time over their existing policy and the ANA was backing a competitor now. Many dealers have also lamented third-world TPGs on eBay. I'd say this was customer driven, not eBay driven. eBay is just responding to customers.
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<< <i>It's going to be interesting to see how you list more then one slab in a listing? >>
I've been trying to get an explaination of why they need the reverse of the slab in the listing but all my account rep will tell me is: "T&S is not giving that information out right now".
I bet that within a month, it'll just be the obverse (Unless it's an ANACS slab - Genius idea to put the cert # on the back.
The people you're talking to may not be aware of the slabs that have information on the reverse. Here's my reasoning which includes the new ANACS:
I think they require both front and back of the slab because of the following issues:
(1) Some TPGs usually put certification info on the front, e.g. NGC, PCGS, ICG, old ANACS
(2) Some TPGs occasionally put certification on the back, e.g. PCGS reverse SHQs and PDs
(3) Some TPGs sometimes put grade on the front and cert number on the back, e.g. new ANACS
(4) The security hologram is usually on the back.
Even if eBay didn't care about the security hologram, I think they want to avoid having a policy that says show the entire front except when it's a PCGS reverse insert in which case show the back and be sure to show both sides for ANACS slabs except when it's an old white ANACS slab where you only need to show the front.
If there's any blame to go around for this, I think one should look at the TPGs, and not NGC or ICG.
I have both lightside and darkside in front-cert slabs. The sellers of darkside I frequent on eBay have already been putting up: slab front, slab back, coin front, coin back. But that could be because they are foreign sellers and it engenders more confidence in their sales if they have the slab back. They've been doing it for PCGS coins as long as I've been buying them.
You people and your misinformation. When is it going to stop?
edit - virtually any listing includes photos of the coin in its graded holder. Where does it say the photo MUST show the label? The way I read it, one enters that info in the form data of the listing, not necessarily a photo of the label. Full-slab photos? I don't read that.
Let's hear your ideas, hopefully based on factual, correctly interpreted information.
edit 2 - one can call a rep and get them to say most anything one wants them to, they'll say most anything the customer wants to hear; leading questions lead to this phenomena
<< <i>I don't know that I've seen a single person CORRECTLY interpret anything posted about the new ebay rules. >>
Why don't you give it a shot then? ... Thanks for the update.
<< <i>Where does it say the photo MUST show the label? >>
Most of this is based on calls from the reps.
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<< <i>I don't know that I've seen a single person CORRECTLY interpret anything posted about the new ebay rules. >>
Why don't you give it a shot then? ... Thanks for the update.
<< <i>Where does it say the photo MUST show the label? >>
Most of this is based on calls from the reps. >>
I'll give it a shot from my view:
Remember the words of Meg:
"eBay is not for everyone"
And darnit, we're gonna make sure !
Just food for thought as I don't really give two sweet
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<< <i>Amazing... nothing but b*tching before... and now when something is done... more b*tching..... some people would b*tch if they won the lottery. >>
That is interesting. Personally, I'm all for anything that might reduce the number of turds floating in the eBay cesspool.
Russ, NCNE
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<< <i>It's going to be interesting to see how you list more then one slab in a listing? >>
I've been trying to get an explaination of why they need the reverse of the slab in the listing but all my account rep will tell me is: "T&S is not giving that information out right now".
PCGS coins have cert number on back when they have a special label like the presidential labels. --Jerry