Altered surface

tresgatos · July 31, 2007 8:30AM

I have a coin coming back from PCGS with a grade of "altered surface." I
I take it that's code for bodybag?

Bear · July 31, 2007 8:33AM

Altered surfaces, means harshly cleaned, whizzed, engraved,

ATd, puttied, artificial frost, buffed, and always , but always,

means body bagged.

koynekwest · July 31, 2007 8:37AM

I submitted two doubled die Washingtons that had moderate to heavy die polish-done at the Mint and thus original surfaces-that were bodybagged with "Altered surfaces." Seems that PCGS has trouble distinguishing this characteristic from a coin that's been cleaned or otherwise messed with. Both coins-one in an ANACS MS61 slab-should have been holdered.

morgansforever · July 31, 2007 8:42AM

Yes it's coming back in a BB. Remeber failure is necessary for success.

It's a learning process.

Russ · July 31, 2007 8:43AM

Russ, NCNE

morgansforever · July 31, 2007 8:47AM

Johnny in action playing the race card.

Way to go Russ

tresgatos · July 31, 2007 8:49AM

Breaks my heart.

morgansforever · July 31, 2007 8:55AM

Is that a 8 over 7?

dizzyfoxx · July 31, 2007 8:57AM

<< <i>Is that a 8 over 7? >>

Sure looks like it.

ricko · July 31, 2007 8:58AM

Yes, it is.... Cheers, RickO

morgansforever · July 31, 2007 9:01AM

Hey OP, who cares what PCGS thinks. I like the coins appearance, plus an overdate to boot.

tresgatos · July 31, 2007 9:39AM

Yes, it really looks good in hand. Never in a million
years would I have guessed that the surface was messed with.

morgansforever · July 31, 2007 9:47AM

<<Yes, it really looks good in hand. Never in a million>>

Buy an inert holder from Amos, and slab it yourself. Or send it to ANACS, they will slab it.

Russ · July 31, 2007 10:05AM

<< <i>Never in a million
years would I have guessed that the surface was messed with. >>

From the images, the coin does look cleaned. Not severely so, but enough that it appears a bit funky. That said, there are plenty of examples of bodybags for altered surfaces that were graded the next time in.

Russ, NCNE

tresgatos · July 31, 2007 10:09AM

OK thanks. I think I will send it to ANACS along with my scratched '93s Morgan and whizzed 03s Morgan.
I think my uncle should have taken up model trains instead of coins.

PocketEasyTreasures · July 31, 2007 10:14AM

I would definitely send all of them to a company that net grades scratched and cleaned coins. At least the coin is encased in protective plastic.

darktone · July 31, 2007 9:36PM

<< <i>I submitted two doubled die Washingtons that had moderate to heavy die polish-done at the Mint and thus original surfaces-that were bodybagged with "Altered surfaces." Seems that PCGS has trouble distinguishing this characteristic from a coin that's been cleaned or otherwise messed with. Both coins-one in an ANACS MS61 slab-should have been holdered. >>

I would guess your coins were not bagged because of die polishing but more likely because of whatever caused it to grade MS61 at ANACS was the reason- most likely cleaned to some extent. A pro coin grader would pick up on die polishing without even thinking about it.

jhdfla · July 31, 2007 10:13PM

Wrap it in a Taco Bell napkin and put it on the south facing window sill, let it set for a while

Screw the TPG, just put it in a Capitol holder, that's got a nice strong overdate. I like it

TwoSides2aCoin · July 31, 2007 10:17PM

I will give it much love and park it in my 7070. Please send it to me where it will be safe forever.

Moonbiter · August 1, 2007 2:40AM

I'm still new to grading so my eyes don't catch everything yet, but doesn't Liberty's head look filled maybe? The high point of the head looks a different color then the rest of the coin. Of course it could be the picture though.

jmj3esq · August 1, 2007 3:20AM

I think it looks good from your photos. I would defintely get a second opinion at NGC or ANACS. Too often it seems like PCGS nit pics on big coins like that. Maybe they are right. If they are right I would defintely get it into a net graded ANACS slab.

I think my uncle should have taken up model trains instead of coins.

At least he collected some great rareties.

23Pairer · August 1, 2007 3:28AM

Here's my just received Altered Surface Bust Half from the big PeeCGS

Altered surface

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