Post a contemporary counterfeit.........

longtimecollector · June 18, 2007 4:51AM

Should weigh 6.25g

Just don't see many of these

StopMotion · June 18, 2007 4:57AM

Coin Type: Barber Head Half Dollar - .50¢
Genuine Weight: 12.5 grams
Counterfeit’s Weight: 9.8 grams

I have several more counterfeits on my website, see link in Sig.
Stop Motion

StopMotion · June 18, 2007 4:58AM

Coin Type: Washington Quarter Dollar - .25¢
Genuine Weight: 5.7 grams
Counterfeit’s Weight: 8.5 grams

guitarwes · June 18, 2007 5:02AM

Why don't the idiots just make the counterfeit ones out of silver???? Is it that hard?

tightbudget · June 18, 2007 5:22AM

<< Why don't the idiots just make the counterfeit ones out of silver???? Is it that hard? >>

The intent is to spend not to deceive for numismatic value. Silver would make these counterfeits pointless.

StopMotion · June 18, 2007 5:23AM

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<< Why don't the idiots just make the counterfeit ones out of silver???? Is it that hard? >>

The intent is to spend not to deceive for numismatic value. Silver would make these counterfeits pointless. >>

Shortgapbob · June 18, 2007 5:23AM

<< Why don't the idiots just make the counterfeit ones out of silver???? Is it that hard? >>

The contemporty counterfeits here were intended only to pass in circulation, not to fool collectors. It was cheaper to use lesser quality metals....thats the point.

guitarwes · June 18, 2007 5:31AM

Ok, was thinking on a semi-key/key date/classic coin scenario......sorry for the confusion.

Oldnewbie · June 18, 2007 6:26AM

My Icon.....

ChicagoRon · June 18, 2007 6:34AM

Tjis is a Vespasian Roman silver forgery, Colchester Museum said it was a contemporary forgery, 72 to 79 AD. Improper reverse and low weight.
You can see the off metal core in a few spots.
Dug in Colchester England Oct 06.

Chicago Ron

PocketEasyTreasures · June 18, 2007 6:40AM

Magnets love this coin!

dcarr · June 18, 2007 6:45AM

Copper, with traces of gold plating remaining:

TwoKopeiki · June 18, 2007 6:58AM

Crude contemporary (barbaric) counterfeit used by colonists for trade with native indians ca. 1800

Pistareen · June 18, 2007 7:15AM

How about a fake gold coin made in Baltimore?

MidLifeCrisis · June 18, 2007 7:27AM

Very cool and interesting thread. TwoKopeiki and Pistareen - do the coins you posted have any collectable value now? Isn't there a market for these...especially the colonial era contemporary counterfeits? I would think so because each seems to have an interesting story.

millennium · June 18, 2007 7:41AM

PocketEasyTreasures......I would not think yours is a counterfeit....in fact, yours is legal tender. It may be copper plated, but it is still legal....or am I incorrect?

TwoKopeiki · June 18, 2007 7:57AM

<< Very cool and interesting thread. TwoKopeiki and Pistareen - do the coins you posted have any collectable value now? Isn't there a market for these...especially the colonial era contemporary counterfeits? I would think so because each seems to have an interesting story. >>

There are a few collectors, specializing in counterfeits. Plus there are certain areas of collecting, like Spanish Colonials, or Mexican Cap'n'Ray series, where knowledge of counterfeits is essential if you want to be able to identify authentic pieces.

MidLifeCrisis · June 18, 2007 8:00AM

<< There are a few collectors, specializing in counterfeits. Plus there are certain areas of collecting, like Spanish Colonials, or Mexican Cap'n'Ray series, where knowledge of counterfeits is essential if you want to be able to identify authentic pieces. >>

Good to know...thanks.

RotatedRainbows · June 18, 2007 8:21AM

It hard to beat a good old fashioned reeded edge dollar.

cmerlo1 · June 18, 2007 8:40AM

I thought I'd cherrypicked a '16-S with no F...when I listed it on eBay, I got a bunch of emails explaining that the coin was counterfeit, so I stopped the auction. If you look at the buffalo's belly, he's a lot thinner than on a real nickel. There were a few other dates made with this reverse die as well. This is listed in the Pope abraded die book as a counterfeit...

--Christian

stev32k · June 18, 2007 8:52AM

OK - sorry won't post any more counterfeits.

Pistareen · June 18, 2007 9:00AM

<< do the coins you posted have any collectable value now? Isn't there a market for these...especially the colonial era contemporary counterfeits? >>

Yes. The piece I posted sold at auction for $218,500!

It's an utterly unique coin, something I discovered unattributed in the Eliasberg collection before it sold -- a circulating cast counterfeit 8 escudos made in Baltimore by famed silversmith Standish Barry. Just like Brasher's "Lima Style" doubloon, it imitates a cob-style 8 escudos and features Barry's smithy stamp.

Read more here.

Also, though I'm not the original poster and don't want to be the snooty Forum Police, some of the later posts to this thread show modern counterfeits, not contemporary counterfeits. Contemporary counterfeits are those made contemporary to the circulating life of the coin, meant to fool someone in commerce, not made for collectors or to fool numismatists. I prefer the term "circulating counterfeits" since it's more descriptive.

And yes, there is an active if small community of folks who collect these things.

MidLifeCrisis · June 18, 2007 9:06AM

<< 

<< do the coins you posted have any collectable value now? Isn't there a market for these...especially the colonial era contemporary counterfeits? >>

Yes. The piece I posted sold at auction for $218,500!

It's an utterly unique coin, something I discovered unattributed in the Eliasberg collection before it sold -- a circulating cast counterfeit 8 escudos made in Baltimore by famed silversmith Standish Barry. Just like Brasher's "Lima Style" doubloon, it imitates a cob-style 8 escudos and features Barry's smithy stamp. >>

Picking my jaw up off the floor now...

Thanks for the information. This is very interesting.

CoinHunter2003 · June 18, 2007 9:20AM

218,000.00!!!!!

Geeze, and I thought my fake Morgan was something.

STONE · July 4, 2007 5:34AM

I pulled this one out of my junk box, that was about to sell on the BST. I was always curious about this piece and thought it looked strange, and I'm glad my assumption was correct.

It's a rare counterfeit Barber Quarter:
1909-S Barber Quarter counterfeit
1909-S Reverse
I wish the obverse was in better focus, but you get the idea.

What's interesting is that this is an extremely high quality coin that seems to have been circulated and got damaged. It weighs approximately 6.4 grams, or 1.5 grams heavier than a normal Barber Quarter. I have never seen or heard of another counterfeit Barber Quarter, but I'm sure there are more out there.

Please tell me what you think.

longtimecollector · July 4, 2007 5:55AM

Stone...... shouldn't the weight be 6.25g ????

Hugegut · July 4, 2007 6:41AM

STONE · July 4, 2007 6:56AM

<< Stone...... shouldn't the weight be 6.25g ???? >>

Yes, missed the decimal place by one spaced. Correction, should be ".15g heavier than a Barber Quarter".

HugeGut, thanks for the 1902 quarter. This thread is quite benefiacial I believe and a great resource when searching what counterfeits can look like.

CoinRaritiesOnline · July 4, 2007 7:07AM

I know of at least one person who collects circulating counterfeit Barber 25c by date and mint. Barber 50c and Barber 10c too. His latest aquisition: a circulating counterfeit 1913-S Barber 25c.

AUandAG · July 4, 2007 7:17AM

Waste of effort in my opinion....Should have least made a 32d out of it.
bob

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DoctorPaper · July 4, 2007 7:20AM

Here's a counterfeit Barber 10c. Seems amazing they could pass enough of this stuff to make the effort worthwhile. Guess the dollar did go a lot further in those days:

123cents · July 4, 2007 7:22AM

Here is a poor Chinese copy of a Seated Dollar.

DoctorPaper · July 4, 2007 7:24AM

Sorry having upload problems:
Here's a counterfeit Barber 10c. Seems amazing they could pass enough of this stuff to make the effort worthwhile. Guess the dollar did go a lot further in those days:

slumlord98 · July 4, 2007 8:03AM

From the 'why bother?' category, an 1861 silver 3c.

howards · July 4, 2007 8:43AM

False die contemporary counterfeit shield nickel:

I think these are highly collectible, and I'll pay considerably more for a counterfeit than a genuine example.

morgansforever · July 4, 2007 8:54AM

Hofmann claims to have struck the 59 wheatie.

millennium · July 4, 2007 8:55AM

One of my favorites:

DRUNNER · July 4, 2007 11:12AM

Credit union president in our area has a well-known Dansco 7070 Type that is strictly counterfeit. Some are crude . . . some simply spectacular (his 1926-S Buffalo with an embossed mintmark is so dangerous it's ridiculous!). As you would expect, the older coins are easier to obtain . . . he's having a tough time with the more modern pieces.

It is stunning to observe . . .draws quite a crowd at local coin shows . . .

Drunner

StopMotion · July 4, 2007 11:30AM

Love the Coins being posted!

I really like that Shield Nickel!!!

EagleEye · July 4, 2007 12:00PM

The one with the full LIBERTY is bogus.

It's good silver and has a clear ring too. The dies are not copied from a real coin either, it seems to have been hand crafted dies.

in 1898 silver was cheap, so it was possible to make full weight silver counterfeits.

ldhair · July 4, 2007 12:01PM

EagleEye · July 5, 2007 7:03AM

ttt

howards · July 5, 2007 9:33AM

<< Love the Coins being posted!

I really like that Shield Nickel!!!

>>

Thanks! I have several more false die counterfeit shield nickels. They are all crooked looking like the example I posted.

Dollarhunter · July 5, 2007 10:21AM

My Grandfather gave me this to me. He was a minister and this was found in the collection plate in the mid fifties.

carlk · January 8, 2011 4:22AM

Just picked this one up.

ebaybuyer · March 28, 2011 4:56PM

RWB · March 29, 2011 1:29AM

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? "Quack, quack...."

Meltdown · March 29, 2011 1:30AM

Here's one I recently bought as real. I sold it later to a board member who collects them.
I wish I would have kept it, it has a great look to it for a fake.

16DMERC · March 29, 2011 1:44AM

Love the "1864 CC" the best...These came in a recent collection purchase

STONE · March 29, 2011 2:22AM

<< Here's one I recently bought as real. I sold it later to a board member who collects them.
I wish I would have kept it, it has a great look to it for a fake.

>>

I wish you had sold it to me

robec · March 29, 2011 2:39AM

Definition of counterfeit according to merriam-webster: made in imitation of something else with intent to deceive

Sorry '64-D Peace doesn't qualify.

Post a contemporary counterfeit.........

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