What Happened To My PCGS MS65 Steel Lincolns?!?!?!

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TorinoCobra71
TorinoCobra71 Posts: 8,108 ✭✭✭
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Oh the Horror:


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These Coins were totally problem free before. These coins have TURNED IN THE SLAB.

Anybody got any idea as to what happened?!?!?!?

TorinoCobra71

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  • Weiss
    Weiss Posts: 9,942 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Holy crap.
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  • GFourDriver
    GFourDriver Posts: 2,366 ✭
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    What did PCGS slab those coins in? A Petry dish?
    Looks like some kind of bacterium.......maybe someone sneezed around the empty slab. The only ones that should be allowed to crack that slab is the CDC in Atlanta!!!
  • Morganmanic
    Morganmanic Posts: 1,343
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    I am not sure but I think the problems is the white stuff all over your coin IMHO image
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  • MORGANHUNTER2
    MORGANHUNTER2 Posts: 4,473 ✭
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    Must be air particulates in the slabbing room= prolly from the slabber eating a Numero Uno pizza at the time fo slabbing.

    it also appears that the slabing room is not following the AQMD's guideline for purification within a lab setting.

    No LEED building I'm afraid...

    GO GREEN PCGS!!

  • ColonialCoinUnion
    ColonialCoinUnion Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭
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    You think those coins were dipped before slabbing?
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  • RBinTex
    RBinTex Posts: 4,328 ✭
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  • jgrinz
    jgrinz Posts: 985 ✭✭✭
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    Looks like particulates on the coin as the fog starts around each brown ( rusting ) spec and works out from there.
    I would say these SHOULD have been dipped before slabbing image
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  • dlimb2
    dlimb2 Posts: 3,449
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    Not just Silver Eagles any more!!!Hummmmmm.
  • TorinoCobra71
    TorinoCobra71 Posts: 8,108 ✭✭✭
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    << <i>You think those coins were dipped before slabbing? >>



    I have NO idea. I bought them from a local coin shop RAW about 2-3 years ago. I was down at my bank on Friday doing my semi-annual check of the coins in my lock box and came accross these.......

    Is this a case for grade review/PCGS Grade Guarantee? At present, without a doubt, both of these coins would BODYBAG if submitted raw.....

    TorinoCobra71

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  • GFourDriver
    GFourDriver Posts: 2,366 ✭
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    <<<You think those coins were dipped before slabbing? >>>


    It appears from the photos that the growth was transferred from the slab to the coin since the heaviest growth seems to be on the slabs themselves.
  • COINB0Y
    COINB0Y Posts: 4,505
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    Whelp, there goes the chance for an MS70's in the series ;>

    Seriously, that looks like mold you get on Bread!
  • COINB0Y
    COINB0Y Posts: 4,505
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    Dip in WD40 or oil?
  • droopyd
    droopyd Posts: 5,381 ✭✭✭
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    OUCH!!! At least they were "only" 65s and not 67s.....
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  • ModernCrapNut
    ModernCrapNut Posts: 2,086 ✭
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    Dang, it looks like someone spit on the coins as they were slabbing them. I would post a question to PCGS on that forum this week. Hate to see your bad luck.


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  • airplanenut
    airplanenut Posts: 22,763 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    You know, Marty might pay you multiples of what PCGS would pay to buy those back image

    And of course, PCGS would buy those back in a heartbeat.
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  • mgoodm3
    mgoodm3 Posts: 17,497 ✭✭✭
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    Nice biospheres.
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  • ricko
    ricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Wow... too bad.. sorry for the misfortune. A buyback only replaces money.. not the ownership value. I have a couple unopened rolls of these.. I better check the ends... Cheers, RickO
  • fastrudy
    fastrudy Posts: 2,096 ✭
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    That growth looks biological, but I think it is crystalline, and has nothing to do with sneezing, pizza or biological contamination. JMHOimage
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  • pendragon1998
    pendragon1998 Posts: 2,070 ✭✭✭
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    Market them on eBay as "Snowflake Lincolns" - I'm sure someone will want them.
  • MadMarty
    MadMarty Posts: 16,697 ✭✭✭
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    << <i>You know, Marty might pay you multiples of what PCGS would pay to buy those back image

    And of course, PCGS would buy those back in a heartbeat. >>




    I was really thinking of adding those to my crud collection!!!
    It is not exactly cheating, I prefer to consider it creative problem solving!!!

  • dcarr
    dcarr Posts: 10,255 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    The white powdery stuff is zinc oxide (which is the pigment used in some white paint).
    That means the zinc plating on the coins is shot.
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  • Connecticoin
    Connecticoin Posts: 13,278 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Those coins look diseased. Bleah!!
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  • BlackBeard
    BlackBeard Posts: 1,064 ✭
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    How long have they been slabbed? I have a 65 I submitted about six months ago, I'll have to keep an eye on it.
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  • jmski52
    jmski52 Posts: 24,011 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Argh, I've never seen a steel Lincoln do that. It had help, probably an acid dip. Zinc Sulfate would be my first guess.
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    I knew it would happen.
  • 23Pairer
    23Pairer Posts: 911 ✭✭✭
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    Send it on a honeymoon to Greece and see if they'll quarantine it! CDC here you come
  • GrumpyEd
    GrumpyEd Posts: 4,749 ✭✭✭
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    I've seen some rolls of 43 cents where every coin has white oxide or something on almost every coin but rarely as thick or bad as those.

    Seems like something on the coins or in the holder or storage enviornment helped it grow so fast on those.

    It would be interesting if you had a 43 from a different source in a slab stored with them for the same time to see if it was something that the person the coins came from had done to them that speeded it up so much on those or if it was something not on the coins (just the enviornment/storage conditions).

    Ed
  • fc
    fc Posts: 12,805 ✭✭✭
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    that is bad luck. another reason why gold coins are superior
    long term then silver, steel, nickel, copper, etc... ;-)

    sorry to hear about your misfortune. i could have used one of those
    steelies for my wheat album.
  • FatMan
    FatMan Posts: 8,977 ✭
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    Oh my.
  • Newcomp103
    Newcomp103 Posts: 2,223 ✭
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    David Hall paid $40,000 to buy back a 1961 Lincoln Memorial Proof 70 that developed spots in the PCGS holder....maybe you will get about .01% of that?
  • LincolnCentMan
    LincolnCentMan Posts: 5,347 ✭✭✭✭
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    Possible answers:
    a) You stored them in a fire-proof container.... humidity build up that leaked into the cases causing the corrosion.
    b) You stored them in a humid place, perhaps the closet in the bathroom?
    c) You ticked off the wrong grader and he put a little something on that submission and down graded the coins to a level they wouldnt be worth sending in for a grade review.
    d) None of the above.

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  • crito
    crito Posts: 1,735 ✭
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    << <i>You think those coins were dipped before slabbing? >>



    Steel cents bubble in EZ-est... or so I've heard. image
  • Shamika
    Shamika Posts: 18,785 ✭✭✭✭
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    Outch! At least they weren't MS68's. Sorry for your loss.

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  • DIMEMAN
    DIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    That is the main reason I don't collect cents. The steel ones do that and you NEVER know what copper is going to do!
  • robkool
    robkool Posts: 5,934 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    YIKES !!! Steel cents too...
    Geeezzzzz.....
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  • oldcameoproofsguy
    oldcameoproofsguy Posts: 3,174 ✭
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    I had some steel cents do the same thing in some 2X2 flips when I was a kid. Bummer!
  • BECOKA
    BECOKA Posts: 16,961 ✭✭✭
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    << <i>Outch! At least they weren't MS68's. Sorry for your loss. >>



    I just got a check from PCGS for an MS68 Steel cent. image Although mine had black spots and still looks pretty good and will go into an album.
  • SilverBaron
    SilverBaron Posts: 767 ✭
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    I have seen this before.... This is what happens when salt/sodium contacts the surface....image
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  • tahoe98
    tahoe98 Posts: 11,388 ✭✭✭
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    are you sure they weren't run thru the dishwasher?


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  • STONE
    STONE Posts: 15,275 ✭
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    Neat!.......but in that bad and horrible sort of way. image

    Tough break on the coins. Find out what PCGS will do for you.
  • MadMarty
    MadMarty Posts: 16,697 ✭✭✭
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    Told you, I'll trade you a weenie coin for them!!!
    It is not exactly cheating, I prefer to consider it creative problem solving!!!

  • Sotty
    Sotty Posts: 373 ✭
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    Looks like they are moldy.

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  • codamyer
    codamyer Posts: 117
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    Hey Torinocobra71, What's the status of these 2 coins?? Did you send them back to PCGS or do you still have them? If you still have them, I sure would like to see some updated pics of these coins now to see what they are looking like now. Thanks,

    Jerry
  • yellowjacket
    yellowjacket Posts: 1,809 ✭
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    I would consider keeping those as conversation pieces. Wouldn't they look great in a dealer's case on the bourse?

    Garrow
  • AUandAG
    AUandAG Posts: 25,049 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    That is NOT good. Sorry for your loss! I've often wondered if being by the ocean in Newport is such a good
    idea. I mean with the salty air on bad weather days. Perhaps a move to the desert would eliminate some
    of those spotting problems. Vegas here we come!
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  • codamyer
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    Have to agree on that! Very surprised PCGS has not moved to a dryer area, but i guess they are full of money and don't mind paying out for coins that have turned sour. I lived in Newport Beach for a few years and it is humid! Probably shouldn't send steel cents in for grading during the months of Nov-Feb. (Rainy season).
  • dorkkarl
    dorkkarl Posts: 12,691 ✭✭✭
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    << <i>These Coins were totally problem free before. These coins have TURNED IN THE SLAB. >>

    then they were'nt problem free!

    here's a good guess - these coins were dipped in a light acid solution FIRST, in order to clean off discoloration. then they got slabed. the problem is that the dip made the surfaces very reactive, which made them very susceptible to the chemicals that MUST leach out of the flexible rubber gasket inside the slab

    dipping steel cents in very dilute acid is a old, old trick to really give them "pizzazz", but it makes them very unstable, too.

    K S
  • Bochiman
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    See what living in Florida will do to ya?

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  • TwoSides2aCoin
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    << <i>

    << <i>These Coins were totally problem free before. These coins have TURNED IN THE SLAB. >>

    then they were'nt problem free!

    here's a good guess - these coins were dipped in a light acid solution FIRST, in order to clean off discoloration. then they got slabed. the problem is that the dip made the surfaces very reactive, which made them very susceptible to the chemicals that MUST leach out of the flexible rubber gasket inside the slab

    dipping steel cents in very dilute acid is a old, old trick to really give them "pizzazz", but it makes them very unstable, too.

    K S >>



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    who said we couldn't teach an old dog , new tricks ?
    I didn't know that people dipped coins for "pizzazz". I thought it was pure GREED.
  • tahoe98
    tahoe98 Posts: 11,388 ✭✭✭
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    hmmm.......... maybe the slabs aren't as inert as i once thoughtimage
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  • THEONLYTBONE
    THEONLYTBONE Posts: 251
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    Looks like they were dipped in meth then sent to you.................image
    Peace and Prosper.............

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