HORROR!! Whats happening to my coins?!

UtahCoin · May 10, 2007 9:40AM

About a year ago I bought a original, sealed 1952 proof set. I opened it and the coins were stunning and blast white (the silver ones). I sent them to PCGS and got PF65's - PF76's. I just took them out to look at them and the 3 silver coins have developed HORRIBLE looking black rings on the obverse and reverse. What's up with this???

UtahCoin · May 10, 2007 9:41AM

Make that PF65's - PF67's.....

fc · May 10, 2007 9:43AM

it appears time and air is doing what it will do to all silver surfaces.
tarnish it.

if you feel the coin has a bad enough problem to not warrant
that grade anymore, submit it to PCGS for a review?

i prefer gold to be honest. i wish you luck because i would be
upset if i had a proof set that tarnished in an ugly way.

Rarity · May 10, 2007 9:43AM

The same type of toning had happened to many of my Cameo and brilliant proof coins due to improper storage.

Russ · May 10, 2007 9:49AM

That toning ring is common on boxed proof set coins. Sometimes it's visible when you first remove them from the little cello packs, other times it emerges later.

Russ, NCNE

ccmorgan · May 10, 2007 9:52AM

I was at the coin shop today and saw a 1960 PCGS PF67 quarter with the same black ring.

Zoins · May 10, 2007 9:54AM

<< That toning ring is common on boxed proof set coins. Sometimes it's visible when you first remove them from the little cello packs, other times it emerges later. >>

NT.

Myqqy · May 10, 2007 10:29AM

It's character...

UtahCoin · May 10, 2007 10:31AM

If I had sent it in with these black rings, would they still have got 67's?

ccmorgan · May 10, 2007 10:37AM

Probably BB.

CarlWohlforth · May 10, 2007 10:37AM

<<If I had sent it in with these black rings, would they still have got 67's?>>

Based on your photo I'd say yes, they would still get 67s. I've seen lots of coins like that. Hairlines or hits or truly horrible toning might hurt the grade but that toning looks pretty decent and natural to me.

Bochiman · May 10, 2007 10:40AM

I think it is somewhat common, to a degree, and I don't think they would have downgraded you for the toning.

SpaceMonkey · May 10, 2007 10:41AM

i thinks it's nice actually. nice and even... and a cool B&W look.

/ed

JoeLewis · May 10, 2007 10:55AM

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<< That toning ring is common on boxed proof set coins. Sometimes it's visible when you first remove them from the little cello packs, other times it emerges later. >>

NT. >>

Either that or AT. Who really knows?

UtahCoin · May 10, 2007 10:57AM

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<< That toning ring is common on boxed proof set coins. Sometimes it's visible when you first remove them from the little cello packs, other times it emerges later. >>

NT. >>

Either that or AT. Who really knows?

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So maybe I should ebay it with the title:

LQQK! Monster Toned Proof set....

Rob85635 · May 10, 2007 11:00AM

If the toning gets bad enough, what is possible recourse through PCGS?

Bochiman · May 10, 2007 11:04AM

<< If the toning gets bad enough, what is possible recourse through PCGS? >>

Depends...if it is just toning but the grade is still there (and why wouldn't it be?) then why any recourse? PCGS never says "we keep your coins blast white" when they slab them.

If something "grows" on the coins that would affect the grade, then a grade guarantee. HRH took care of a PCGS PR69DCAM 1968-s Kennedy for me that grew something after slabbing (I had boughten it on ebay and it was growing some funky "toning" that wasn't toning.....got back a raw coin and $300.

ipmman · May 10, 2007 3:25PM

<< I think it is somewhat common, to a degree, and I don't think they would have downgraded you for the toning. >>

"somewhat common" an oxymoron

"common, to a degree" another oxymoron

"BochiButt" same as those two, but not oxy...

Pandavab · May 10, 2007 5:56PM

That isn't bad enough yet to affect the grade.

MoneyLA · May 10, 2007 10:09PM

your toning is normal. and should not threaten the coin's grade over time.

you might even get lucky.

I remember having PCGS slab a few proofs a few years back, put the slabs in my safe deposit box, and a year later had some nice rainbows developing.

most likely, the unslabbed proofs picked up something prior to slabbing, and then in the slab and in the box, the "something" went to work and toned the coins.

if you are lucky the same thing will happen to you.

but getting back to your ring-- yep, common. some will find it natural and attractive, some won't. and if the colors develop-- bonus!

best, Alan Mendelson (#1 registry Washington proof set a long time ago, many with toning and color)

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clarkbar04 · May 11, 2007 1:25AM

Maybe you'll get lucky and the black ring will soon engulf the entire fields, and you will be able to upgrade to a CAM.

TwoSides2aCoin · May 11, 2007 2:13AM

You said you bought a sealed set and it was blast white when you opened it.
In retrospect, would it be worth more in the sealed set now or in the slab with that grade ?

tahoe98 · May 11, 2007 5:27AM

<< I was at the coin shop today and saw a 1960 PCGS PF67 quarter with the same black ring.

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of course now it's a 65

Zoins · May 11, 2007 5:28AM

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<< I was at the coin shop today and saw a 1960 PCGS PF67 quarter with the same black ring.

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of course now it's a 65

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If PCGS agrees, that's what the Grade Guarantee is for.

Is this considered FNT by some?

aficionado · May 11, 2007 7:36AM

That sucks. It sits in the original package for 54 YEARS and looks perfect. ONE year in the holder and it's turning ?!?!?

Someone explain this to me please.

I mean what good is grading your coin if it's going to turn on you ?

airedale · May 11, 2007 7:52AM

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<< That toning ring is common on boxed proof set coins. Sometimes it's visible when you first remove them from the little cello packs, other times it emerges later. >>

NT. >>

Either that or AT. Who really knows?

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Is it possible to AT something in a PCGS slab?

Cladiator · May 11, 2007 7:53AM

<< Is it possible to AT something in a PCGS slab? >>

Absolutely.

Bochiman · May 11, 2007 7:59AM

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<< That toning ring is common on boxed proof set coins. Sometimes it's visible when you first remove them from the little cello packs, other times it emerges later. >>

NT. >>

Either that or AT. Who really knows?

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Is it possible to AT something in a PCGS slab? >>

Yep...it's been done and by someone who is on the boards here and was busted for it by people. Lot of "history" and even hostility there.

Connecticoin · May 11, 2007 8:25AM

<< That toning ring is common on boxed proof set coins. Sometimes it's visible when you first remove them from the little cello packs, other times it emerges later.

Russ, NCNE >>

Russ, do you think your "anti-haze" dip process would have prevented that?

Jcarney · May 11, 2007 9:05AM

Wrong thread

tahoe98 · May 12, 2007 4:08AM

<< That sucks. It sits in the original package for 54 YEARS and looks perfect. ONE year in the holder and it's turning ?!?!?

Someone explain this to me please.

I mean what good is grading your coin if it's going to turn on you ? >>

very interesting point.

Zoins · May 12, 2007 4:38AM

<< 

<< That sucks. It sits in the original package for 54 YEARS and looks perfect. ONE year in the holder and it's turning ?!?!?

Someone explain this to me please.

I mean what good is grading your coin if it's going to turn on you ? >>

very interesting point.

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Some collectors keep certain coins out of TPG holders because of the propensity for certain coins to deteriorate.

HORROR!! Whats happening to my coins?!

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