Someone decide, Are the Presidential Dollars with the edge readable face up Type 1 and face down Typ

Texast · February 16, 2007 5:10AM

It would be nice if there were a standard set early, it would seem that you would need both for a set.

Any Ideas from the pro's?

Cladiator · February 16, 2007 5:25AM

Type 9 and Type 6 would be more appropriate don't ya think?

fastrudy · February 16, 2007 5:27AM

Spin up and spin down.

Gemineye · February 16, 2007 5:31AM

I believe the proofs are going to be made only one way....!!

flaminio · February 16, 2007 5:42AM

"Type" is probably too strong a word, but they are indeed different.

It's amazing to me that a little fleck of metal on a Morgan is heralded as a VAM, but something as dramatic as this is mostly ignored.

Cladiator · February 16, 2007 5:43AM

<< "Type" is probably too strong a word, but they are indeed different. >>

variety

Aegis3 · February 16, 2007 5:44AM

In a different thread I used the term "edge orientation varieties."

As for collecting them, I can see one not caring one way or the other, collecting a set which has only one edge orientation all the way through, or collecting those including both edge orientations for each date/mint/president. All would be ok, and I'm sure there are other ways.

RegistryCoin · February 16, 2007 5:53AM

Cladiator's T9 or T6...

flaminio · February 16, 2007 5:57AM

<< In a different thread I used the term "edge orientation varieties."

As for collecting them, I can see one not caring one way or the other, collecting a set which has only one edge orientation all the way through, or collecting those including both edge orientations for each date/mint/president. All would be ok, and I'm sure there are other ways. >>

I think a lot will depend on what the slabbing companies do. If PCGS decided to label the coins as varieties, and made a reg set for them, you can bet that the Kool-Aid drinkers would be tripping over themselves to collect them.

kranky · February 16, 2007 5:58AM

I would call them TO and TR. Top of edge letters near obverse, or top of edge letters near reverse.

I don't think it's actually a very good name (and certainly not intuitive to understand) but it's very short, and that's what's needed. Nothing really wrong with Type 1 and Type 2, but usually that's applied to something that came out in a sequence (type 1 was made before type 2) and not simultaneously.

Gemineye · February 16, 2007 6:01AM

Katching.....$$$$......what a money maker..!!!

holeinone1972 · February 16, 2007 6:04AM

I cannot see it making a difference.

flaminio · February 16, 2007 6:07AM

Maybe just something simple -- like little arrows indicating the orientation.

jhusman · February 16, 2007 6:09AM

It won't really make a difference unless someone come up with an album that displays the edge. PCGS has the holder, and I'm sure the other slabbing companies will as well, but the "regular joe" collector is not going to differentiate unless the edges can be seen in the album.

My opinion.

Gemineye · February 16, 2007 6:18AM

<< I cannot see it making a difference. >>

We're talkin' about coin collectors here.......

flaminio · February 16, 2007 6:49AM

Follow-up question:

Should any consideration be given to the position of the edge lettering with regards to the obverse and reverse designs? The way that the edge lettering is put on, it can start anywhere.

How's this for an idea: assign a clock value based on the obverse and the location of the mint mark. (The mint mark works well because it's a single easily identifiable mark.)

So you'd have 12 varieties for the obverse up orientation, 12 more for the reverse up, plus those amounts again for each mint. You'd need 48 separate coins for a complete circulation set

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CoinHusker · February 16, 2007 6:55AM

Call 'em 50/50 because it appears, according to an article in Coin World, the lettering orientaiton is completely random.

CaptHenway · February 16, 2007 7:04AM

Type A and Variety II.............

Smitty79 · February 16, 2007 7:22AM

<< Nothing really wrong with Type 1 and Type 2, but usually that's applied to something that came out in a sequence (type 1 was made before type 2) and not simultaneously. >>

Actually, if I'm not mistaken, the Wide AM/Close AM Lincolns were made simultaneously just with the wrong dies and these are often refered to a Type 1/Type 2.

cladking · February 16, 2007 7:27AM

There's also the orientation that the planchet was cut from the strip. The entire
coin can be rightside up or upside down and then the lettering can be applied
either way. This would mean four categories.

It is very difficult to detect which way the planchet was facing on the golden dol-
lars. It will be even more difficult after they circulate probably.

I predict collectors are going to have exceedingly little interest.

joeyuk · February 16, 2007 7:29AM

On dark side stuff I have seen this refered to as a variety.

messydesk · February 16, 2007 8:17AM

Two different varieties. Someone will have to do some sort of census on a good mixture of coins to determine if one is rarer than another. If it's truly random, I don't think anyone will care much.

renman95 · February 16, 2007 10:19AM

On the business strikes varieties may form.

But, if you find one on a proof, hold on to it. Proofs are to be oriented only one way.

sumnom · February 17, 2007 2:11AM

"I predict collectors are going to have exceedingly little interest."

I am feeling this way about the series in general.

Writersblock · February 18, 2007 3:16AM

Considering collectors of large cents, bust halves, and bust dollars have never bothered to pay any attention to the edge letter orientation (It's 50/50 on them as well.) I doubt if anyone will really pay any attention.

sumnom · February 18, 2007 3:35AM

While there may be a 50-50 chance that the lettering will be this or that, could it be possible that one orientation would be more common than the other from year to year?

cladking · February 18, 2007 3:37AM

<< On dark side stuff I have seen this refered to as a variety. >>

Isn't this generally reserved for coins which are normally all with the same alignment?

ricko · February 18, 2007 3:43AM

There will be many 'types' or 'varieties' as this system unfolds... I am not sure that many will command high prices (perhaps the coins with edge lettering totally missing, or processed twice may prove of some value). Should be interesting to watch this develop. Cheers, RickO

pf70collector · February 18, 2007 9:30AM

Bid up to $16 on ebay upside down
Did the mint intentionally do this or will they discontinue it for future issues and have them oriented one way? This would be hard to do because the coins would all have to go in one way in the machine. Too time consuming?

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