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if Coin #1 is a Poor-01, then what is coin #2?

DennisHDennisH Posts: 14,040 ✭✭✭✭✭
In a previous post Coin #1 received unanimous acclaim as a Poor-01 waiting to be graded. Yay! image

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But if Coin #1 is a Poor-01, then what grade will be received by Coin #2. Here's an example where the grading scale could use decimal points... this is a 0.5 I think. (Massive thanks to Colorfulcoins for finding this little gem and knowing I would want it. I DO INDEED! He says the mint mark is clearly a D in hand, and it will complete my Mint Mark Registry set of Morgans in all Poor-01.):

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    VamGuyVamGuy Posts: 1,624


    << <i>if Coin #1 is a Poor-01, then what is coin #2? >>

    a small red X. image
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    raysrays Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Is the date legible on coin #2?
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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,584 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Body Bag---no date visible.

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    mgoodm3mgoodm3 Posts: 17,497 ✭✭✭
    It's got a D, shouldn't need a visible date.
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    BigDaddyzBigDaddyz Posts: 1,306 ✭✭✭
    About poor?
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    raysrays Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Coin #1 is, perhaps. worthy of an NGC P-01*.
    Coin #2, only a P-01.
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    DennisHDennisH Posts: 14,040 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The coin is en route to me, but apparently there is not a hint of a visible date. But that lovely D means there's only one possibility...
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    sweetwillietsweetwilliet Posts: 2,316 ✭✭✭
    Sweet!!! There are only a few examples of this across all the series where the presence of a mint mark alone indicates the date of the coin. Maybe we should start a new thread about that, or anyone want to start a list in this one?
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    messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,781 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It coin 1 is Poor, then coin 2 is just Po'.
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    BurksBurks Posts: 1,103
    Coin 1: PO-01
    Coin 2 : POS-00 image

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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,584 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It's probably still a PO-01, low end and not high end for the grade. Neat coin!!!

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    << <i>It's probably still a PO-01, low end and not high end for the grade. Neat coin!!! >>



    image But in the PO range I imagine you'd want a low end.
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    notwilightnotwilight Posts: 12,864 ✭✭✭
    There are but a few exceptions where a dateless coin can be graded and nobody though to make a PO-0 for that one. The 1793 chain cent is another one if you can make out a little bit of chain on the back.

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    mr1931Smr1931S Posts: 7,077 ✭✭✭✭✭
    What is coin #2?

    Bullion if authentic.

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    pocketpiececommemspocketpiececommems Posts: 6,091 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Great find. Just what PO-01 people are after. No bb here.
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    LeeBoneLeeBone Posts: 4,861 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Wouldn`t that be called a P-1 "Slider"?image
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    Dennis,
    The 21-D guy gives you three thumbs-up for this one! imageimageimage

    Nice!

    Rob

    PS - if you ever find another.... image
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    DennisHDennisH Posts: 14,040 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Rob:

    I thought the odds of this one turning up were zip, but a second one...

    I will let you know, however.
    When in doubt, don't.
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    C1 AKA: Cull one.
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    ArtistArtist Posts: 2,038 ✭✭✭
    I grad coin 1 craptacular, and coin 2 craptastic.


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    ArtistArtist Posts: 2,038 ✭✭✭
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    Actually I like both coins - and just so you don't accuse me of not appreciating stuff like this, here is a picture of $5 from my own collection:

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    DennisHDennisH Posts: 14,040 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nice!

    I like it.
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    CoxeCoxe Posts: 11,139
    Coin #1 is Coin #2's pimp.
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    ccexccex Posts: 1,188 ✭✭✭
    For this cheapskate collector, the market for PO-1 coins is at the top of a bubble, with major TPG PO-1 slabbed coins bringing at least VG-8 money. Recently, I have spent time building grading sets of 4 levels of AG coins and 3 levels of FR coins. Five years ago, I met a dealer at a large show who proposed grades of less than 1. Zero was identifiable by type only, -1 was identifiable by denomination only, and -2 was identifiable by metal content only.

    Here is an old scan of a U.S. 2 cent piece from my collection which I grade Zero (although I should get better images):
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    ColorfulcoinsColorfulcoins Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭
    Congrats Dennis!
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    << <i>It's got a D, shouldn't need a visible date. >>



    How can you tell that is a D?
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    DennisHDennisH Posts: 14,040 ✭✭✭✭✭
    "How can you tell that is a D?"

    Experience more than anything else.

    Compared to the Micro-O and Micro-S mint marks of previous years, the punches used for the 1921-D and 1921-S were much smaller. Also, unlike the Micro-O and Micro-S coins the positioning of the 1921 mint marks is much lower (as seen on this coin). By comparison, the Micro-O and Micro-S mint marks are practically tucked up under the bow.

    I could instantly tell from seeing the photo that the mint mark was a D, from the basic shape of the blob that is left (a bizarre talent, I know, but it's an "eye" that results from looking at many low grade coins.) Colorfulcoins has the coin in hand, and he confirms there is no doubt about the D.
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    BlindedByEgoBlindedByEgo Posts: 10,754 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Awesome score, Dennis!

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