That MOC looking franklin is selling again.

Russ · December 27, 2006 10:23AM

http://cgi.ebay.com/1963-Toned-Franklin-Proof-in-OGH-Rattler-PCGS-PR66_W0QQitemZ110063661268

Russ, NCNE

Russ · December 27, 2006 10:24AM

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120056176768

Russ, NCNE

Connecticoin · December 27, 2006 10:29AM

<< http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120056176768

Russ, NCNE >>

"kcobie" took a bath on that coin!!

Russ · December 27, 2006 10:31AM

The poor thing seems to be having a hard time finding a home.

Russ, NCNE

BigE · December 27, 2006 10:38AM

Maybe it is still reacting, looks almost melted, many of the coins could just end up cremated in the holder-------------BigE

BUBBAh · December 27, 2006 11:46AM

I HAD no inkling it was a M,o,C ..... P,O,S -

mY instincts said "what the f.." but when I saw it was from Pat , i figured no way was it A.T

I got big bucks tied up in coins I bought from him and

the last thing in the world I want to find out is he`s a doctor or sells doctored sheet !

.I will believe in him until proven otherwise

.

jamesfsm · December 27, 2006 12:35PM

I have sold to and bought coins from Braddick. My sense is that he has a keen sense for desireable toning.

BobaFett72 · December 27, 2006 12:46PM

I do believe this thread has PoTeNtIal.

RichieURich · December 27, 2006 12:50PM

<< 

<< http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120056176768

Russ, NCNE >>

"kcobie" took a bath on that coin!! >>

Yeah, how did that happen? I thought there were supposed to be big profits in these toners!

Newmismatist · December 27, 2006 12:52PM

<< 

<< did i miss anything?? >>

You might add that the seller is a toning affectionado? (Jeez, I am starting to spell like bUBBAH!) >>

I believe the correct word would be "opportunist"

Edited to add: I believe that the coin in question was removed from the holder, AT'd and then put back in the holder

FPCoins · December 27, 2006 1:09PM

It's really quite a lovely coin.

RegistryCoin · December 27, 2006 1:32PM

Be careful with any assumptions... Pat is quite knowledgable about numismatics, does have a keen sense of humor, and is a MOST honorable person. I'll only assume that this will be quite interesting to watch.

ibzman350 · December 27, 2006 9:47PM

<< I HAD no inkling it was a M,o,C ..... P,O,S -

mY instincts said "what the f.." but when I saw it was from Pat , i figured no way was it A.T

I got big bucks tied up in coins I bought from him and

the last thing in the world I want to find out is he`s a doctor or sells doctored sheet !

.I will believe in him until proven otherwise

. >>

BUBBAh..........for someone that's been around for a month now you're very up to date about past goings on, good for you!

Be carefull...........................don't get bammed!!

Herb

MadMarty · December 27, 2006 10:58PM

Hmmmm, I wonder if they started like this one!!

TUMUSS · December 27, 2006 11:17PM

Imaging progression....

bushmaster8 · December 28, 2006 1:35AM

<< I believe that the coin in question was removed from the holder, AT'd and then put back in the holder >>

I think that is extremely unlikely.

Cladiator · December 28, 2006 2:03AM

<< 

<< I believe that the coin in question was removed from the holder, AT'd and then put back in the holder >>

I think that is extremely unlikely. >>

Ditto. I think that if this coin is AT it was most likely AT'd while in the old rattler slab.

Russ · December 28, 2006 2:38AM

Here are just a few of many sold in the past by this "respected" forum member:

All three of those coins sold for hundreds each.

Russ, NCNE

keets · December 28, 2006 3:13AM

but Russ, they're all market acceptable.

Russ · December 28, 2006 4:08AM

<< but Russ, they're all market acceptable. >>

Two were "market acceptable" at PCI which, of course, means nothing. The third was sold raw.

Russ, NCNE

Longacre · December 28, 2006 4:16AM

<< OK, let's recap:

1. the coin is in a first generation PCGS holder which has been the subject of previous AT threads. evidentally forum member Manofcoins and others were able to AT the coins while they were inside the holder.
2. the coin in the auction link appears to be one of those AT'd examples.
3. the seller is forum member Braddick.
4. Braddick has a self-admitted history of dabbling with coin doctors, most recently with former forum member Gmarguli.
5. the reasoning of the seller is that if the coin is "market acceptable" it's OK to sell it without any disclosure.
6. forum member Braddick has a habit of exposing other AT'd coins and coin doctors in threads at this forum.
7. since this thread was started, the seller(Braddick) has editted the auction, presumably to appear forthright concerning it's questionable nature while being benevolent and charitable, while the high bidder is Gmarguli and the attempt is most probably to protect the seller.
8. anyone who believes there's anything legitimate about this auction, the charity premise and the actions of the seller and current high bidder may be deluding themselves.
9. i would add that Braddick works in law enforcement in California, or at least he used to.

did i miss anything?? >>

I have been trying to avoid reading pages upon pages of replies to this thread. Thanks for the summary.

Again, we tend to get up in arms about Ebay keyword spamming, but known AT coins do not seem to generate the same froth of frenziness as Ebay spamming threads.

TWQG · December 28, 2006 4:20AM

<< Two were "market acceptable" at PCI which, of course, means nothing. The third was sold raw. >>

-I wonder if his patented disclaimer was in place.

jbsteven · December 28, 2006 4:35AM

<< Here are just a few of many sold in the past by this "respected" forum member:

All three of those coins sold for hundreds each.

Russ, NCNE >>

those have some cool colors. Abviously AT but still neat colors. I would have paid $50 for each one to keep for my collection.

bushmaster8 · December 28, 2006 4:48AM

The 1965 SMS Kennedy could be the real deal. Those old PCI slabs can produce some really wild toning! (I am serious)

Russ · December 28, 2006 4:50AM

<< Those old PCI slabs can produce some really wild toning! (I am serious) >>

It's a new gold label slab.

Russ, NCNE

robertpr · December 28, 2006 4:51AM

<< The 1965 SMS Kennedy could be the real deal. Those old PCI slabs can produce some really wild toning! (I am serious) >>

It was created purposefully by dipping the coin and not rinsing it thoroughly.

keets · December 28, 2006 4:53AM

any notion that the coins posted by Russ developed the tone naturally is ludicrous.

mcheath · December 28, 2006 4:58AM

The really funny thing after the link was posted last time it was selling and noticably at, i saw braddick won it. i point blank in the thread asked him if it was for his personal collection because he saw the thread and bought the at coin anyway. I got no response. Im glad i had to out him before he added the warning

stman · December 28, 2006 5:01AM

So. are we talking about "respected" board members, "members held in high regard" "respected board members"
" respected board members" "respected board members" or respected board members, respected board members
respected board members respected board members board members held in high regard???????

I never can get it straight. They say it's how you write it I guess. Heh heh Oh, I'm thinking if those involved have a give-away of some sort, all will be well.

bushmaster8 · December 28, 2006 5:17AM

<< 

<< Those old PCI slabs can produce some really wild toning! (I am serious) >>

It's a new gold label slab.

Russ, NCNE >>

By golly, you are right!

In that case: FOUL!!!

Doogy · December 28, 2006 5:38AM

This whole auction in question is a scam, and it seems weird that the seller would have the gall to show his face here after it ends. Charity?! I highly doubt it; but if that does happen, it will only happen to soothe his guilt ridden conscience. Doesn't PCGS have a right to pursue such obvious cases of tampering with their holders to produce these hideous creations?

mcheath · December 28, 2006 5:42AM

The worst part is that the seller only indentifies it as a MOC coin. To the average collector on ebay this means nothing. what kind of disclosure is that?

Cladiator · December 28, 2006 5:44AM

<< To the average collector on ebay this means nothing. what kind of disclosure is that? >>

Good point and good question. To anyone that isn't a member of this forum they'd have no way of knowing. Heck, they might even think an "MOC coin" is something prestigious and raises the value of the coin.

sTONER · December 28, 2006 7:05AM

if Pat says it,s proceeds are going to charity,, than thats where the phuckin proceeds are gonna go,, all my personal dealings with him have been fantastic, and his word is goood enough for me, so chill out peeeps and smoke some weeeed

Russ · December 28, 2006 7:15AM

<< if Pat says it,s proceeds are going to charity,, than thats where the phuckin proceeds are gonna go >>

I agree.

<< all my personal dealings with him have been fantastic >>

All of my dealings with him have also been fine, but that doesn't automatically grant him a pass for selling AT'd coins. If he were a stranger to this forum he'd be getting torn a new hole right now.

Russ, NCNE

sTONER · December 28, 2006 7:26AM

i agree with you Russ, he isnt a stranger, but he,s not exactlly gettin rich either, as a matter of fact, he takes some fair losses on some of his auctions just having fun in a hobby he enjoys,,

mcheath · December 28, 2006 7:29AM

>>>>>>> agree with you Russ, he isnt a stranger, but he,s not exactlly gettin rich either, as a matter of fact, he takes some fair losses on some of his auctions just having fun in a hobby he enjoys,,>>>>>>>>

Morals dont matter as long as he enjoys it.

Russ · December 28, 2006 7:31AM

<< i agree with you Russ, he isnt a stranger, but he,s not exactlly gettin rich either >>

See that SAE I posted above? It sold for several hundred dollars, as did the 1965 Kennedy. And, those coins are just a few examples of many.

Russ, NCNE

Myqqy · December 28, 2006 7:33AM

but he,s not exactlly gettin rich either

I don't think the amount of monetary gain is what determines if one's actions are a detriment to numismatics...

AU58WALKERS · December 28, 2006 7:37AM

<< but he,s not exactlly gettin rich either

I don't think the amount of monetary gain is what determines if one's actions are a detriment to numismatics... >>

BUT he IS having FUN.

ss350camaro · December 28, 2006 7:45AM

Q/A on the auction has a confirmation that the coin is AT.

Wouldn't PCGS be well served to take this coin off the market, and possibly go after the AT'er ?

stman · December 28, 2006 7:55AM

Russ Quote...

<< If he were a stranger to this forum he'd be getting torn a new hole right now. >>

Shirley, you jest!!

Russ · December 28, 2006 7:58AM

<< Q: is this coin at?
Dec-28-06
A: ANSWER to mcheath21: If by at you mean artifically toned then yes, it is, but you knew that. Now, how about telling all the guys what your true agenda is? Remember how I blocked you a few weeks back (based on your foul reputation) from bidding on a coin you wanted and how you screamed and cussed and were so upset I'd dare do so? Well Matt, is this your weak attempt to gain favor with others and vent your frustration? If so, it's both weak and lame. But, I suspect you already knew that too >>

Ooh, this is getting good.

Russ, NCNE

RBinTex · December 28, 2006 7:59AM

Pat, WHY???

RYK · December 28, 2006 8:00AM

200

Myqqy · December 28, 2006 8:02AM

200

kryptonitecomics · December 28, 2006 8:04AM

+1

RYK · December 28, 2006 8:08AM

<< Pat, WHY???

>>

Money

Money, get away.
Get a good job with good pay and youre okay.
Money, its a gas.
Grab that cash with both hands and make a stash.
New car, caviar, four star daydream,
Think Ill buy me a football team.

Money, get back.
Im all right jack keep your hands off of my stack.
Money, its a hit.
Dont give me that do goody good bullelmo.
Im in the high-fidelity first class traveling set
And I think I need a lear jet.

Money, its a crime.
Share it fairly but dont take a slice of my pie.
Money, so they say
Is the root of all evil today.
But if you ask for a raise its no surprise that theyre
Giving none away.

Russ · December 28, 2006 8:14AM

One of my favorite songs.

Russ, NCNE

Russ · December 28, 2006 8:14AM

100!

Russ, NCNE

That MOC looking franklin is selling again.

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