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Toned Peace Dollar...Guess the grade.

jmj3esqjmj3esq Posts: 5,421 ✭
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Check out this toned Peace Dollar. IGuess the Grade. No cheating. I know its a very common date but I love the tone. I dont do a lot of Peace Dollars so what kind of premium might I expect to get for the tone?

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    lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 45,163 ✭✭✭✭✭
    64, maybe 65?

    Dang, I hate being first on "guess the grade" threads. image

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    jayboxxjayboxx Posts: 1,613 ✭✭
    MS62, maybe 63. I like it but I have no idea of a premium.
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    HighReliefHighRelief Posts: 3,728 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This 1923 Peace Dollar looks like it could go MS63 and you could get a couple of bucks more for the nice toning.
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    MercuryMercury Posts: 1,053 ✭✭✭✭
    I'll guess 63, 64 on a good day. I personally don't pay a premium for toning. It is a nice looking coin.
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    VamGuyVamGuy Posts: 1,624 ✭
    Beautiful coin, MS64.
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    ModernDollarNutModernDollarNut Posts: 886
    MS65, modest premium - Rob
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    FatManFatMan Posts: 8,977 ✭
    Looks like some rub on the hair and feathers. AU58 Maybe AU62 because it is a right handsome coin IMO.


    Edited to add: Clearly based upon the others replies the darkness and flatness I'm seeing must not be rub. Coinguy1 is never wrong.image I guess I blew this one.image
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    garsmithgarsmith Posts: 5,894 ✭✭
    MS62 maybe 63, I like the reverse
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    richardshipprichardshipp Posts: 5,647 ✭✭✭
    I'll say MS63. There are some rim hits which probably keep it out of a 64. Nice looking coin. I don't see the rub that FatMan mentioned but I know he is a lot smarter than me on these so I'm likely wrong.
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    coinguy1coinguy1 Posts: 13,484 ✭✭✭
    It looks like an MS65 at a minimum to me, and I'd probably guess MS66 before I would MS64.

    Sure, there may be lots of imperfections that don't show in the images, but it's the images upon which we must make our guesses. I see hardly any flaws in the images provided. What am I missing?image
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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    MS63 - ugly.... would not buy.... Cheers, RickO
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    LeianaLeiana Posts: 4,349 ✭
    I had to look up the grade (because for some reason, evaluating a coin from a True-View is exceedingly difficult for me). image

    I do like the coin, though!

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    jmj3esqjmj3esq Posts: 5,421 ✭
    I agree, my coin is hard to grade from the trueview picture. The picture shows the true toning. The picture does not show the hits on the reverse as well as you can see them in hand. PCGS graded it a MS62. I was hoping for a MS64. The obverse shows little or no hits at all. The reverse has several scattered hits. Particularly there is a pretty nice gash in the rays to the right of the eagle. That is what I think kept it from a MS64. What appear to be hits on the rim are actually spots of toning. Thanks for the input.
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    coinguy1coinguy1 Posts: 13,484 ✭✭✭
    Jmj3esq, what is the light/white area on the right side of Liberty's jaw and on her upper neck? An untoned area? A pasty toned area? Light friction? Thanks.
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    dorkkarldorkkarl Posts: 12,691 ✭✭✭
    ms-65

    the toning is very average, not worth the slightest premium.

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    jmj3esqjmj3esq Posts: 5,421 ✭
    Jmj3esq, what is the light/white area on the right side of Liberty's jaw and on her upper neck? An untoned area? A pasty toned area? Light friction? Thanks.

    It is just an untoned area.
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    coinguy1coinguy1 Posts: 13,484 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Jmj3esq, what is the light/white area on the right side of Liberty's jaw and on her upper neck? An untoned area? A pasty toned area? Light friction? Thanks.

    It is just an untoned area. >>

    Thanks, and I obviously like the coin, especially for an MS62.image
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    airplanenutairplanenut Posts: 22,735 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The picture looks like an MS65 to me... as for the toning, it's nice, it's original, but it's not wild. The coin's really not worth all that much above the going rate for a white piece.
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    dorkkarldorkkarl Posts: 12,691 ✭✭✭
    ms-62??? further proof that truview sucks, imo. the digi-pic does NOT depict a ms-62 peace $

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    jmj3esqjmj3esq Posts: 5,421 ✭
    I payed about $20 for it. I personally would have paid more. Maybe its just me, but I dont seem to see that many toned Peace Dollars.
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    tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,667 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>ms-62??? further proof that truview sucks, imo. the digi-pic does NOT depict a ms-62 peace $

    K S >>



    Seems to me it proves you can't grade off a [small] image more than it proves that True View sucks. image
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    RonBRonB Posts: 638 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Looks like a decent strike.
    I personally like the tone.

    Would fetch a 50% premium on eBay, I believe.
    May be worth a re-submittal, I think it deserves at least a 63,
    even if it has a few minor marks.

    Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, or in this case the grader(s).
    I'm sure the graders' opinions on toned coins are as diverse as in this thread.

    Thanks for posting it,

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    mcheathmcheath Posts: 2,441 ✭✭✭
    looks at least 64
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    jmj3esqjmj3esq Posts: 5,421 ✭
    Here is a link to the huge high resolution image.

    1923 Peace Dollar MS62

    Do you still have the same opinion?

    It dosn't look that bad in hand, but it sure does at that HUGE size.
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    jayboxxjayboxx Posts: 1,613 ✭✭
    I saw quite a few of the hits on the reverse, including a few on the rim, which is why I said 62/63...they seemed clear enough in the original picture.
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    MyqqyMyqqy Posts: 9,777 ✭
    I don't think the toning is worth any premium at all, but it looks very nice for a 62....
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    STONESTONE Posts: 15,275 ✭
    I'd go with a 64. Some light contact on the reverse keeps this from being a 65-IMO
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    dorkkarldorkkarl Posts: 12,691 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>ms-62??? further proof that truview sucks, imo. the digi-pic does NOT depict a ms-62 peace $

    K S >>



    Seems to me it proves you can't grade off a [small] image more than it proves that True View sucks. image >>

    if i can't grade off it, what good does it do me??? "truview" sounds more like "trickyview" to me!

    K S
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    tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,667 ✭✭✭✭✭
    if i can't grade off it, what good does it do me??? "truview" sounds more like "trickyview" to me!

    I don't think anyone can consistently grade a coin off an image of that size.... or even my preferred size of True View:

    image
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    dragondragon Posts: 4,548 ✭✭
    I never get tired of looking at that one TDN. image
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    dizzyfoxxdizzyfoxx Posts: 9,823 ✭✭✭
    Oh image It's a nice toned Peace Dollar. Call out the Cavalry of nay sayers!!!imageimage

    Seriously, very nice coin.image

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    jmj3esqjmj3esq Posts: 5,421 ✭
    Thanks again everyone for all the input. Some like her, some dont. For about $20 plus grading fees i dont think I went wrong. I think I will hold on to this beauty. Some act like they see nice toned Peace Dollars all the time. That may be true for them, but I have not.
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    GoldenEyeNumismaticsGoldenEyeNumismatics Posts: 13,187 ✭✭✭
    65
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    CarlWohlforthCarlWohlforth Posts: 11,074 ✭
    I'm paying more for that one than one that has been dipped out! I might not pay that much more...

    You bought the coin for $20? Then had it slabbed? So you might have $50-$60 into the coin? Is that about right?
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    speetyspeety Posts: 5,424 ✭
    I woulda guessed 64... looks like a nice 62 to me!
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    uofa1285uofa1285 Posts: 2,252 ✭✭
    65 to 66, Coinguy1 beat me to the analysis. image

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    jmj3esqjmj3esq Posts: 5,421 ✭
    $20 for the coin. $18 for slabbing. $38 total.
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    dorkkarldorkkarl Posts: 12,691 ✭✭✭


    << <i>if i can't grade off it, what good does it do me??? "truview" sounds more like "trickyview" to me!

    I don't think anyone can consistently grade a coin off an image of that size.... or even my preferred size of True View: >>

    so again i ask, of what use is "truview"? can't grade by it. can't judge a coin by it. does'nt look like the coin in real life. might as well be a digital drawing, no?

    K S

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