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itsnotjustme · October 25, 2006 3:10PM

Hello,
I have this half on hold. I like the look and the price is high but not outrageous from the grade. Opinions and grade and appearance welcomed.

Decided to pass. Grade is PCGS XF40. Price is $1,495 at JJ Teaparty.

BlindedByEgo · October 25, 2006 4:24PM

I don't know the series, but it is a very desireable coin.

My guess (and I hope that I can learn more) is that the coin was dipped at one time and retoned. Since it's in a PCGS holder, the cleaning must have been gentle enough to remain market acceptable. I like it better than the gunmetal grey ones I have seen.

numobri · October 25, 2006 4:37PM

Nice coin.

I also think the coin has been cleaned in some way.If I gave it a grade,I'd call it a nice VF35.As far as the cost,I have no idea.

JMO,You asked.

Brian

michael · October 25, 2006 4:43PM

cleaned hairlined and too bright for my tastes

very choice vf

mozin · October 25, 2006 4:46PM

The pictures are a little small, but I would guess PCGS gave your coin at least XF40. I don't see any problems with it. It seems to be retoning nicely.

Maybe someone will look up the Overton variety for you.

OnlyBuffalos · October 25, 2006 5:43PM

I believe that is an Overton 105 die marriage, PCGS XF40.

Looks like it has a great deal of eye-appeal. Draped bust halfs remain hot so it wouldn't be a surprise if this sold in the$1,000 to $1,500 range depending on the amount of luster remaining. Nice coin IMO.

dorkkarl · October 25, 2006 9:06PM

it's a cleaned xf-40. the toning is questionable as well.

PASS. too common to lower standards to that coin, unless your getting it at quite a discount off xf

K S

raycyca · October 25, 2006 9:14PM

I agree it's an XF 40 with nice color. Very nice for grade and type in my opinion. When I collected bust halves, that was the type I was looking for. WAY too many of them have dipped over and over. They are harder to find and more desirable with the nice color, at least in my opinion. GO FOR IT! If you don't, please let us know where it is. Thanks in advance! Ray

itsnotjustme · October 26, 2006 2:35AM

I'm surprised by guesses in the VF range. I see what looks like a soft strike with little wear. No one else sees that I guess.

123cents · October 26, 2006 2:45AM

Very nice eye appeal. I would guess XF-40.

Cladiator · October 26, 2006 2:47AM

Dipped and some re-toning from an album before it was slabbed. AU50 is my assesment.

stman · October 26, 2006 2:49AM

<< <i>I like the look >>

And that's all that really matters. I make it a point to not knock what someone else likes. Now you ask my opinion, and I will say I do not like the look.
I know these are tougher than some might think to find more original looking. But I would wait for just that. Either way, if you like it, enjoy it.
I would imagine something like this isn't cheap though.

Baley · October 26, 2006 2:51AM

Where does the coin fit in the context of your collection? As a representative type coin? Are you collecting these by date and/or variety? What do the rest of the coins look like?

This particular coin looks like a choice VF to EF, appears to have been warshed off in the past and has been getting secondary toning. Have you seen it in hand? is there luster?

If it's priced "high for the grade" I'd probably pass, but if the coin speaks to you, well there you go.

BillJones · October 26, 2006 2:56AM

Dipped with some re-toing, which may or may not continue to form.

I'd grade this piece AU-50, unless the luster I see in the letters and devices is the result of a cleaning. Many 1807 Bust half dollars are shallow strikes which makes them appear to have more wear than they really have.

I think that this is probably a nice coin, but it's not the type of look that many collectors are looking for today. Therefore I would not pay a premium for this piece within the grade.

michael · October 26, 2006 3:13AM

i net graded the coin choice vf+ due to the cleaning hairlines and unnatural brightness

Barndog · October 26, 2006 3:18AM

if it is a die marriage, grade, holder you need, then go for it. If you are just looking for a DBH for type, I would think a more original look would be better (hold out for a detailed and crusty coin, there are plenty out there)

BillJones · October 26, 2006 3:21AM

<< <i>i net graded the coin choice vf+ due to the cleaning hairlines and unnatural brightness >>

Sorry Michael, but you are not going to buy a coin like that today at VF+ prices. Heck you couldn't buy them like it in the 1970s when I bought my piece. This one is now in an NGC AU-58 holder. Paramount coin graded it AU-50 when I bought it at auction 30+ years ago.

Am I really that old?

rhedden · October 26, 2006 3:24AM

Cleaned or dipped, and partly retoned. E PLURIBUS UNUM is way too weak for an XF or AU grade! Also, there is heavy wear on Liberty's hair behind the eye. This is a VF-30 by detail, and I'd net it down to VF-20 for the cleaning. 1807 is a very common draped half, and a nicer one will come along without much effort. I would only buy this coin if it were offered at a discount.

Edited to add: I usually agree closely with Bill on grades, but we're clearly on two different pages with this one.

MikeInFL · October 26, 2006 3:29AM

Pass. Wait for something more original...Mike

BillJones · October 26, 2006 3:32AM

<< <i> there is heavy wear on Liberty's hair behind the eye. >>

Most of that is not wear. The coin was struck that way. Look at the 1806 I posted, which pulled an AU-58. That coin has about 75% of the luster remaining.

TomB · October 26, 2006 4:01AM

The coin is without doubt at least EF40 and might even be graded EF45. The 1807 issues are often struck very weakly and appear shallow. There are feathers evident on the eagle's breast, the wings have substantial detail and the drapery is complete along the neckline and otherwise largely intact. In terms of remaining detail, this coin is at least EF40 and those who do not agree would have to make a serious case for me to listen to them. Also, the coin has obviously been at least dipped, if not cleaned, though I cannot discern hairlines from such a low resolution image.

If this is the kind of look you are attracted to and you are comfortable with the price then by all means buy it. However, I dislike the coin strongly, believe it has very little life and originality to it and would not welcome it in my collection.

billboat · October 26, 2006 4:06AM

Very nice detail for an 1807---most had very soft strikes. EF45+ all day long.

Nysoto · October 26, 2006 4:32AM

If you are looking for a strictly original coin, this is not the one. I still think it is an attractive coin and I would not mind owning it. Grading for the O.105 variety, XF40-45, depending on the luster. Look for areas that are well struck, such as the sharp drapery lines. This dealer has a good return policy, if you like it check it out. I like draped bust halves in this grade range, as some have quite a bit of luster for a much lower price than an AU. The O.105 is the most common variety for the year, this should not matter for type. The quick attribution points for this variety are the lump between STATES OF, and low 8 with S7 close to L.

coinkat · October 26, 2006 9:41AM

I would pass. A better example will come your way.

rays · October 26, 2006 9:44AM

I would not pass, it looks nice to me. I would estimate an XF45 PCGS grade, possibly 50 if the lustre is strong.

lordmarcovan · October 26, 2006 4:49PM

I like 'em a bit greyer, but that is a nice looking coin. I would put it in the 45-50 grade range.

dorkkarl · October 26, 2006 9:05PM

i'll go back to what i said, it's a cleaned coin. also, it's a crappy die-marriage for type because of the always shallow obv. strike. so that is why this dude needs to PASS on this coin, & hold out for something that's 1. more original, & 2. a better struck d.m.

K S

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