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Toned coins? Garbage!. To REAL coin "collectors".
Our society has swung way to far to think it is ok to be different. Ok to step outside the box. Ok to color outside the lines. Ok to always feel it is right to express yourself. To always think only about ME. To cry your rights have been violated anytime someone says a harsh word to them. To feel everything should be given to them just for the asking.
Bottom line they think it is ok to be Lazy, Rude, use no self discipline and take no reasonability for their own actions.
Having said all this I feel coin collecting has swung this way. Our sad way of life has plunged into how we view and keep the hobby.
In almost all other types of collecting, The items that that are the most desired are ORIGINAL. Who collects knifes? who wants tarnished blades? Stamps? Oh yes that yellow toned stamp looks better? Granted some Cars are worth a bit more Customized. But this is due to the extra money spent to make them this was. Coins are not made with Tarnish on them. To allow or make a coin tarnish is a adulteration to it. Yes some tarnished coins are pretty to the eye. I understand everyone has different taste. The true art is finding and keeping a coin as it was made in its original state. But as with everything Money rules. So My comments will not change those who collect tarnished coins. As they have to much time and money invested in them. Buying tarnished coins is almost as bad as "buying the holder not the coin". It is a temporary phase in the coins life and will someday end in total blackness. ( your grandchildren will love those).
I know not many will agree with me if anyone. I am sure I will be flamed. I will be told I have no clue. But this is just my opinions.
Our society has swung way to far to think it is ok to be different. Ok to step outside the box. Ok to color outside the lines. Ok to always feel it is right to express yourself. To always think only about ME. To cry your rights have been violated anytime someone says a harsh word to them. To feel everything should be given to them just for the asking.
Bottom line they think it is ok to be Lazy, Rude, use no self discipline and take no reasonability for their own actions.
Having said all this I feel coin collecting has swung this way. Our sad way of life has plunged into how we view and keep the hobby.
In almost all other types of collecting, The items that that are the most desired are ORIGINAL. Who collects knifes? who wants tarnished blades? Stamps? Oh yes that yellow toned stamp looks better? Granted some Cars are worth a bit more Customized. But this is due to the extra money spent to make them this was. Coins are not made with Tarnish on them. To allow or make a coin tarnish is a adulteration to it. Yes some tarnished coins are pretty to the eye. I understand everyone has different taste. The true art is finding and keeping a coin as it was made in its original state. But as with everything Money rules. So My comments will not change those who collect tarnished coins. As they have to much time and money invested in them. Buying tarnished coins is almost as bad as "buying the holder not the coin". It is a temporary phase in the coins life and will someday end in total blackness. ( your grandchildren will love those).
I know not many will agree with me if anyone. I am sure I will be flamed. I will be told I have no clue. But this is just my opinions.
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<< <i>But this is just my opinions. >>
Don't you have just one more opinions that you'd like to share?
Russ, NCNE
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A coin with original toning of any kind simply defines 'originality' whether it's a 'monster' or a 'dog', it's ORIGINAL.
Next, to state that "It is a temporary phase in the coins life and will someday end in total blackness. ( your grandchildren will love those)." -this is just simply a statement of ignorance. If a toned coin is now in a slab and stored in a proper environment under proper conditions, the toning process which created the toning in the first place no longer exists. To become more familiar on the science of toning, you should read and understand this and I also recommend for you to read and study this.
And finally, when you call 'toning' tarnish, you are technically using correct terminology. But remember, you can call a
Therefore, REAL coin collectors collect what they like and try and educate their fellow coin collectors on misconceptions. I for one, am learning something new everyday by reading threads on this forum, and it's a joy to do so.
<< <i>The items that that are the most desired are ORIGINAL. >>
By "original", do you mean to suggest an item that has been untampered with? Wouldn't a coin that has been striped of it's "orginal" surface via a dip in order to give it that fresh-from-the-mint-look go against your arguement?
Jeffs
<< <i>Did the coin come from the mint with tarnish on it?. No matter if it toned by nature or by artificial means or by accelerated natural ways. It is not the way it came from the mint. Thus it has been adulterated. >>
I absolutely disagree.
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<< <i>haha Russ. No . I just dislike all the hype about them. >>
FYI,
There's a reason for the hype.
Toned coins? Garbage!. To REAL coin "collectors"
This is just your opinion, all of us here are "REAL" coin collectors.
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<< <i>Did the coin come from the mint with tarnish on it?. >>
Actually yes they do, but the layer is normally so thin that it doesn't interfer with the light and we don't see it. They also come with a layer of oil and dirt on them.
Jeffs
<< <i><< Did the coin come from the mint with tarnish on it?. >>
Actually yes they do, but the layer is normally so thin that it doesn't interfer with the light and we don't see it. >>
Bingo!
-Amanda
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My Buffalo Nickel Website Home of the Quirky Buffaloes Collection!
Proud member of the CUFYNA
<< <i>Toned coins? Garbage!. To REAL coin "collectors".
Our society has swung way to far to think it is ok to be different. Ok to step outside the box. Ok to color outside the lines. Ok to always feel it is right to express yourself. To always think only about ME. To cry your rights have been violated anytime someone says a harsh word to them. To feel everything should be given to them just for the asking.
Bottom line they think it is ok to be Lazy, Rude, use no self discipline and take no reasonability for their own actions.
Having said all this I feel coin collecting has swung this way. Our sad way of life has plunged into how we view and keep the hobby.
In almost all other types of collecting, The items that that are the most desired are ORIGINAL. Who collects knifes? who wants tarnished blades? Stamps? Oh yes that yellow toned stamp looks better? Granted some Cars are worth a bit more Customized. But this is due to the extra money spent to make them this was. Coins are not made with Tarnish on them. To allow or make a coin tarnish is a adulteration to it. Yes some tarnished coins are pretty to the eye. I understand everyone has different taste. The true art is finding and keeping a coin as it was made in its original state. But as with everything Money rules. So My comments will not change those who collect tarnished coins. As they have to much time and money invested in them. Buying tarnished coins is almost as bad as "buying the holder not the coin". It is a temporary phase in the coins life and will someday end in total blackness. ( your grandchildren will love those).
I know not many will agree with me if anyone. I am sure I will be flamed. I will be told I have no clue. But this is just my opinions. >>
Now tell me how you really feel.
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That's a stupid statement.
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I'm a believer in originality.... which to me can original skin, original light toning, or original white. Now if I could always tell the difference between those and the ones that have been tampered with!
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Me likes half tarnish, half blast white!!
Me likes all blast white too!!
I don't think it has to be an either or, I can appreciate the beauty of toned coins, as well as those that appear to have original skin or those that improved via a dipping to slow down or correct some damage that would ruin the coin. I guess its become like politics you have to be either or, no longer any room for well thought out disagreement.
My personal favorites are old coins adorned with total unbroken, thick frosty luster.
They look sugary and you can definitely tell that they have not been dipped.
I also like naturally toned beauties. There is a fine line between just right and too much.
As in life sometimes less is best. (JMHO, of course)
That's unfortunately nothing new; when "blast white" was in, the doctors were dipping pretty toners. The pendulum swings both ways where this type of mania is concerned.
Having said all that, I can't see how a 150-year-old dipped, "white" coin is more desirable and attractive than a nice, original toner with strong eye appeal. I believe that coins, like people should look appropriate for their age. Just as it would look odd to see an 80-year-old woman in a mini-skirt, so too does a blast white Bust half. And a wildly toned 2004 coin, for that matter.
I think some disagreement is good here because there are both kinds of coins out there, and all need a good home. So it's a good thing preferences differ; that way there are the right coins out there for everyone.
except maybe in a 5 or 10 lb bag deal.
(Priest) BLASPHEMY he said it again, did you hear him?
For those that were not around in the pre-slab era, it was the norm to discount dipped coins, esp pre-1916 ones. They just didn't look right. It was very common to hear collectors and dealers to say, no thanks, it's been dipped. NGC and NCS had a lot to say about promoting this idea. Then toss in the 1990's new idea of designationg CAMs and DCAMs on all proofs, to invite mass dipping.
I don't believe for one minute that collectors initiated the shift to 10 points of MS grading, nor did they push to have FSB's/FH or conserved coins. These were marketing pushes initiated by dealers to make money. It has worked. The sheeple follow.
Cycles come and go.
roadrunner
Also add many forms of collectibles where cleaned surfaces are a no-no:
paper money
antique cars - orig faded paint far more desireable that repainted
junk on all orig specimens.
firearms
brass
duck decoys
toys
dolls
golf clubs
books
manuscripts
no doubt others could add dozens more.
the list of hobbies where orig surfaces win out over scrubbed surfaces is rather high. Coins just might be one of the few where dipping has become a mania. But also understand that in 18th and 19th century US coinage dipping is not tolerated as well as it is for 20th century coinage.
roadrunner