Grade opinions- 3 Cent Silver

Leiana · August 3, 2006 11:57AM

What would you grade this coin? It's raw, but I have an opinion on it and I want to see how well that matches up with the other opinions out there. Especially since these coins are so hard to grade.

Thanks!

-Amanda

rsdoug81 · August 3, 2006 12:00PM

Hmmm...I don't grade these very often; however, I'll guess VF20.

Edited to add: I'm getting the impression that I may be a little high here.

majorbigtime · August 3, 2006 12:08PM

They are tough to grade--with the rough edge, I'd say F-12.

coinandcurrency242 · August 3, 2006 12:10PM

VG 8 because of the back and edges.

Leiana · August 3, 2006 12:27PM

<< VG 8 because of the back and edges. >>

It has a full rim. The reverse displays some weakness of strike. A qualification for VG is that the edges of the shield are wearing away.

-Amanda

coinandcurrency242 · August 3, 2006 12:29PM

<< 

<< VG 8 because of the back and edges. >>

It has a full rim. The reverse displays some weakness of strike. A qualification for VG is that the edges of the shield are wearing away.

-Amanda >>

I have no grading book! lol I just go by what I think based on my graded coins! I'll give you a F-12

lkenefic · August 3, 2006 12:29PM

Second and third varieties are a bit easier to grade. I'd say F12 and the weakness in the stars is attributable to a crappy strike.

L

100proof1957 · August 3, 2006 12:32PM

weak strike and corrosion net VG10,VF20 details

123cents · August 3, 2006 12:33PM

VG-10.

robertpr · August 3, 2006 12:37PM

You guys are rough! I see some lustre still on it, and the wear is not that bad. I'd say XF45.

lkenefic · August 3, 2006 12:47PM

I think there's too much wear in the shield lines for XF....I really vacillated between F and VF …maybe I’ll hedge my bets and say F15

coinbuf · August 3, 2006 12:48PM

Wow rough room tonight; I'd go VF35 net VF20 for the cleaning and ragged rim. Interesting as yours does'nt seem to show much clashing as these are so often seen with, unless I'm just too tired to see it.

Chris

FatMan · August 3, 2006 12:50PM

VF20

relayer · August 3, 2006 12:53PM

F-15

Prethen · August 3, 2006 12:59PM

Guys, you're being way too harsh on the coin. Other than the parts rims which I'm not thrilled with (appear to be a bit damaged, but not overly so), the coin does not exhibit a lot of wear. Series 1 of these coins, even in Mint State don't exhibit much more detail than what you're seeing. That said, it's difficult without seeing the coin in hand to give a fair grade. However, I would say XF (+?). Note that the star has mounds still showing radiating to the points. The outline around the shield still shows decent detail where the strike wasn't too soft. The rims are pretty strong.

robertpr · August 3, 2006 1:05PM

<< Guys, you're being way too harsh on the coin. Other than the parts rims which I'm not thrilled with (appear to be a bit damaged, but not overly so), the coin does not exhibit a lot of wear. Series 1 of these coins, even in Mint State don't exhibit much more detail than what you're seeing. That said, it's difficult without seeing the coin in hand to give a fair grade. However, I would say XF (+?). Note that the star has mounds still showing radiating to the points. The outline around the shield still shows decent detail where the strike wasn't too soft. The rims are pretty strong. >>

The rims aren't damaged, it's in an album. The coin was inserted at a slight angle. You're seeing shadow and some overlapping page material.

Leiana · August 3, 2006 1:08PM

<< The rims aren't damaged, it's in an album. The coin was inserted at a slight angle. You're seeing shadow and some overlapping page material. >>

Yeah... I guess I should have taken it out of the album!

-Amanda

coinguy1 · August 3, 2006 1:08PM

I confess to not usually looking at these in circulated grades, but to my unfamiliar eye, it looks XF 45 at a minimum and a nice one too.

Bruceswar · August 3, 2006 1:09PM

VF 20 and not a bad coin for an album!

rec78 · August 3, 2006 1:11PM

VF-25.. Nice middle grade coin...Clearly better than vg. i will gladly buy any of these that are problem free if they look like this for more than VG ask price. These coins are small and were easily damaged and wore quickly. This coin is a very nice example in middle grade-YEP VF-25

ldhair · August 3, 2006 1:11PM

I would guess F-VF and yes these are tough to grade.

Fairlaneman · August 3, 2006 1:13PM

I see damage. Small damage but still damage. Looks cleaned at some point also. Net Fine.

Ken

roadrunner · August 3, 2006 1:13PM

I'd say at least AU as there is mint luster. Type 1's often look terrible because of weakness on the star points. I've bought any number of these for VF-AU money over the years that were full UNCs.

roadrunner

rec78 · August 3, 2006 1:18PM

Wow i am amazed at the variation in grading opinion on this coin---Anywhere from VG8-AU+--So there you have it
Amanda. The only grade that counts is yours. Its your coin in your album. So it is whatever grade you think it is. Bob

zenny · August 3, 2006 1:26PM

i want all you people to send me your vg's and f's and vf's that look like this!

looks easily xf bordering au, spot on obverse that appears to be corrosion is a little troublesome, though.

if it had only stopped at the nice little toning rather than eating into the coin....

ldhair · August 3, 2006 1:27PM

These are a bit tough to grade Amanda.
A little quick math up to this point.

VG 3
F 5
VF 6
EF 5
AU 1

tmot99 · August 3, 2006 1:31PM

I was thinking 40. I was surprised so many had such low grades for this one.

And you were trying to see how you compare to others here?

RGT · August 3, 2006 1:31PM

These are typically found weakly struck and they are difficult to grade in circulated grades because of this and because of their size. My first impression was EF. There seems to be some luster remaining but the rims have some minor issues on the reverse.

For comparison, what do you think NGC graded this one?

librtyhead · August 3, 2006 1:31PM

sure would make a nice 1000 post giveaway............I would say vf

zenny · August 3, 2006 1:33PM

<< For comparison, what do you think NGC graded this one?

>>

easy 3 maybe 4?

ledzep87 · August 3, 2006 1:33PM

I was thinking AU.

GoldenEyeNumismatics · August 3, 2006 1:34PM

vf30

construct · August 3, 2006 1:36PM

This is one I'd "commercial grade" at VF-35. It's a nice coin; but if I were going to shell out EF money for one, I'd want to hunt around with a stronger reverse strike. The usual toning on these Type I's often make them look wretched. This one looks pretty nice.

coinguy1 · August 3, 2006 1:57PM

Below are images of a PCGS VF 30. Raise your hand if you think that it compares, grade-wise to Amanda's coin. Now, anyone who raised your hand, please go to the corner, take your grading book with you and read it.

Ditto for this NGC XF45:

Leiana · August 3, 2006 2:00PM

Mine really looks more like the 45! Thanks for posting the comparative pictures, Mark!

-Amanda

tradedollarnut · August 3, 2006 2:01PM

AU50

lkenefic · August 3, 2006 2:03PM

WOW!!! I'll eat about 25 points worth of humble pie! This makes me feel better about the 3c Silver I got for F12 money.

Leo

lordmarcovan · August 3, 2006 2:18PM

I was gonna say VF25-30. Interesting variance of opinion on this one. I tend to agree with the ones who guessed high rather than low.

construct · August 3, 2006 2:26PM

Sorry, Mark, but my computer must not catch the definition in your pics well enough. I'd certainly give the subject coin a 40 technical grade.

robertpr · August 3, 2006 2:28PM

"holey" cow, is that you LordM?

Where have you been?

Fairlaneman · August 3, 2006 2:45PM

All of the other coins shown in this thread have nice rims. Whats the deal with the rims on the subject coin ? Damage and rim bumps appear to be present.

Mark you are a Ex grader. Do graders not look at the rims ?

Amanda are there rim bumps on the rims and some small damage ?

If both of you say no I will grade the coin higher. From the picture there is no way this coin will grade EF or AU period. The coin appears damaged.

End the "Happy Talk" and give out a true grade to the YN.

Ken

Leiana · August 3, 2006 2:47PM

I think what you are seeing is the "fuzzy bits" from the cardboard edge of my Dansco album slot. There is no rim damage.

I really should have taken it out of the album.

-Amanda

Fairlaneman · August 3, 2006 2:57PM

What is just above the last S in states and just to the right of the S ? Both on the rim. Also is the rim just very weak at 10 oclock on the other side ?

By the way this thread is a great example of why coins cannot be graded by pictures. Sometimes you can get close but most of the time a direct hit on the grade is just blind luck. Especially with Raw Coins.

Ken

Leiana · August 3, 2006 3:02PM

It's just a funky shadow. And yes, the strike is weak at 10 o'clock on the reverse. Mark said these often are seen weakly struck.

-Amanda

Fairlaneman · August 3, 2006 3:07PM

OK you have convinced me. The grade I put on the coin sucks. Disreguard it please.

.....I guess.

Ken

michael · August 3, 2006 10:32PM

net choice vf

ziggy29 · August 3, 2006 10:38PM

35-40

arlea1957 · August 3, 2006 11:11PM

Based on the 3 I have I would call it an xf, still good detail on the points of the star, and the lettering. Nice coin

robertpr · August 4, 2006 1:09AM

ttt

mirabela · August 4, 2006 1:27AM

I'm going to try something nobody has done yet in this thread. I grade the coin fifty bucks. I grade the coin forty bucks with a big grin. I grade the coin thirty-two with a grin and an extra "yehaw!" I grade it sixty bucks with a gnawing sense that I might have done better with some more looking.

Here are some lessons from this thread, among others:

* grading from a picture is impossible

* grading 3 cent silvers, especially type 1's with the rounded star ridges, is really hard

* grading is subjective, no matter how hard we work to calibrate ourselves

* the idiosyncracies of strike, luster, and wear on particular coins make grading hard even when you've got a couple of benchmark pieces in
front of you for reference

For what it's worth, I think it is an excellent coin for a mid-grade type set, regardless of the exact numerical grade we put on it, because it seems to have nice original surfaces and some wholesome, interesting color. It is neither too crusty dark nor too dippy light. As such, I like it.

tmot99 · August 4, 2006 1:34AM

<< I think what you are seeing is the "fuzzy bits" from the cardboard edge of my Dansco album slot. There is no rim damage.

>>

"fuzzy bits" - a new technical term - Something new that PCGS will bodybag a coin for.

I think that most here are being hard on the coin. I'd give it an XF-AU grade without seeing it in-hand. But, you said you have your opinion. What is it?

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