Hey goose, The circular marks on the center of the obverse does give the impression of a silver plug (at least by the color of the toning) Have you noticed anything similar on the reverse--- not that these TPG's could ever get one wrong....
I suppose it could have been inflicted with a pen knife, knitting needle, toe nail clipper, laser beam, ice pick, Exacto™ knife, hors d'oeuvre fork, golf spike, glass shard or tiny screwdriver, but I'm still not getting you.
I don't think Goose objected to the implement used to scratch the coin, I think he objected to the scratch. >>
--------- --------- The problem is the "stable did it" objection causes Goose to lose objectivity--he doesn't know what caused it. Arguing over how something happened distracts from the only issue--There was a return but the dealer lied, refusing the return.
Next thing he'll want to argue that it's not a scratch and that maybe the coin received the damage by self infliction.
Interesting hypothesis!
Seriously, I've never seen a scratch blaze like in your picture. I only wonder how much less it blazes in real life. Not that that means you have any less of a return privilege, of course, but it might go some way in explaining how the seller missed the scratch. Even if he is, as you assert, a complete jerk.
Andy Lustig
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
I tried to photograph it upside down, sideways, etc...
I couldn't hide it.
If I come to Baltimore I will have it, in case I see this friendly chap. Our son's AllStar LL team may end up ultimately interferring with Baltimore........
regarding a plug...don't think so. Those are just some old marks of some sort.
I did not read this...nor do I have any intention of reading it, but having been gone for almost 2 weeks and seeing a post that has 250+ responses I just had to post something so I felt like I was a contributor in some way......
Now....back to your regularly scheduled programming!
<< <i>Next thing he'll want to argue that it's not a scratch and that maybe the coin received the damage by self infliction.
Interesting hypothesis!
Seriously, I've never seen a scratch blaze like in your picture. I only wonder how much less it blazes in real life. Not that that means you have any less of a return privilege, of course, but it might go some way in explaining how the seller missed the scratch. Even if he is, as you assert, a complete jerk. >>
He didn't miss the scratch. The eBay photo, which wasn't very good, showed it but it looked like it was on the plastic. In hand, the seller knew darn well the coin had a scratch. He mentioned the circles, which are far more subtle than the scratch. If he saw the circles, he saw the scratch.
<< <i>Next thing he'll want to argue that it's not a scratch and that maybe the coin received the damage by self infliction.
Interesting hypothesis!
Seriously, I've never seen a scratch blaze like in your picture. I only wonder how much less it blazes in real life. Not that that means you have any less of a return privilege, of course, but it might go some way in explaining how the seller missed the scratch. Even if he is, as you assert, a complete jerk. >>
He didn't miss the scratch. The eBay photo, which wasn't very good, showed it but it looked like it was on the plastic. In hand, the seller knew darn well the coin had a scratch. He mentioned the circles, which are far more subtle than the scratch. If he saw the circles, he saw the scratch. >>
Nice to see someone not always wanting to play devil's advocate and poke at people, unlike some people around here.
<< <i>Even considering how stubborn and short-sighted some people are, I'm surprised that a seller would act that way and risk the negative consequences he has over a transaction of less than $600. >>
I'm not whatsoever. Now I'm sure my self-appointed board psychologist won't like my thinking. I say.... TOUGH!
Please... Save The Stories, Just Answer My Questions, And Tell Me How Much!!!!!
Who is the seller anyway? I'm not familiar with the name. Does he set up at the national shows?
Ron is (or at least was) a frequent CW classified advertiser for many years. I don't think I've ever seen him set up at a show but I have seen him walking the bourse on occasion. He is far from a newbie.
Andy Lustig
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
<< <i>Sure there are some here like Fletcher with unlimited funds but not all of us are in that boat. >>
Unlimited funds or not, I would raise hell. I think that the guy that sold goose that coin is as big of an idiot as Darin who sold me a coin and then refused to refund my money after six weeks even though the post office confirmed that it was never delivered. It isn't the amount of the transaction, it is that nobody should put up with getting screwed. I side with goose on this one ... I was simply pointing out what a hypocrite he is.
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Fletcher, you really are amazing. There were a few other threads concerning our transaction and it's kind of funny how you tried to sneak in a few more negative comments concerning me over that Ebay transaction.
Without boring everyone with all the bland details of the transaction, why on earth would I refund your money on that transaction once you filed your complaint with Paypal? At that point, of course I'm not going to refund your money. The insured package (w/sig. confirmation) never arrived to you, so you were going to win your Paypal complaint on those grounds and get your refund through Paypal. I filed the claim when I said I did, and patiently waited for the situation to rectify itself.
I was prompt with shipping the coin, replying to your emails, and filing the claim for the lost package. You were reassured in a couple of different threads that I was not going to scam you, or take your money. Multiple board members vouched for my integrity in a matter like this, and although you claimed you were reassured, your actions were quite different.
You blatantly lied in the negative feedback you left for me, claiming that you didn't receive a refund for the transaction (paypal refunded your money on 6/19, they sent me the confirmation of that fact) which should speak volumes of YOUR character.
As far as your reference to my only other negative feedback on Ebay, check out that item and it's terms before you use that to back you lame argument that I am not a person worthy to purchase a coin from. That buyer tried to force me to refund money for a very inexpensive item that was CLEARLY listed as non-returnable. Again, I'm not going to get into all the specifics involved in that transaction, but that buyer might well be a relative of yours.
I shipped a coin to you that never arrived to you. Everyone handles a situation like this differently. In six years on Ebay, NO ONE that I have dealt with has proceeded in the manner that you did. THAT speaks for itself.
You're making quite a name for yourself - I hope it is worth it to you. I predict that you're fighting a losing battle, legally and time-wise. >>
Him: <<What is yer beef and identify yerself by name?>>
Me: <<My name is Mark Feld, a full time dealer of 25 plus years. My beef is that the buyer of your ANACS 1822 dime made it very clear that he wanted the right to be able to inspect the coin and be able to return it if it didn't meet with his satisfaction. You sold it to him with that knowledge and are therefore obligated ethically and legally to accept the return. He contacted you in a very timely fashion and you renegged on your agreement. Additionally, the tone and content of your messages are extremely defensive and out of line. You are making a very bad name for yourself among a huge group of collectors and dealers over this.>>
Him: <<Hey bud...mind yer own business...you got too much time on yer hands.>>
Me: <<Coins is my business and dealers like you, who are dishonest and treat collectors like you do, is bad for my business.>> >>
Mark Feld may possibly be the coolest guy in the universe...Mike
Collector of Large Cents, US Type, and modern pocket change.
"Unlimited funds or not, I would raise hell. I think that the guy that sold goose that coin is as big of an idiot as Darin who sold me a coin and then refused to refund my money after six weeks even though the post office confirmed that it was never delivered. It isn't the amount of the transaction, it is that nobody should put up with getting screwed. I side with goose on this one ... I was simply pointing out what a hypocrite he is".
Feltcher if your still around you offered to not buy/sell from anyone who desired it.... I now step up to the plate, Please add me to your list. ebay 19193
tnx
if you still around
There is nothing more powerful than the power of goodbye
While just sitting back and watching this thread unfold, I must say that what Mark Feld did in this matter is just simply remarkable! Mark, I would purchase from you any day! Your character speaks for itself!
Charter member of CA, Coinaholics Anonymous-6/7/2003 Kewpie Doll award-10/29/2007 Successful BST transactions with Coinboy and Wondercoin.
I work 12 hours today and you all get to goof off! >>
I worked ten, ya bum!! >>
I'm STILL working ya slackers!!!!
And, fletcher, you are SCUM for leaving that type of feedback for Darin!!! He was doing things like he was supposed to and you jumped the gun to get what you wanted WHEN YOU wanted it.
Guess it is time for you to come back with ANOTHER ID, isn't it?
As an ANA member, I think you have to allow returns. Perhaps his name will be in an upcoming issue of the Numismatist as having his membership revoked.
Collector and Researcher of Liberty Head Nickels. ANA LM-6053
Comments
The circular marks on the center of the obverse does give the impression of a silver plug (at least by the color of the toning)
Have you noticed anything similar on the reverse--- not that these TPG's could ever get one wrong....
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<< <i>I don't get it. What is your point?
Maybe it's not a staple scratch. >>
I suppose it could have been inflicted with a pen knife, knitting needle, toe nail clipper, laser beam, ice pick, Exacto™ knife, hors d'oeuvre fork, golf spike, glass shard or tiny screwdriver, but I'm still not getting you.
I don't think Goose objected to the implement used to scratch the coin, I think he objected to the scratch. >>
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The problem is the "stable did it" objection causes Goose to lose objectivity--he doesn't know what caused it. Arguing over how something happened distracts from the only issue--There was a return but the dealer lied, refusing the return.
Why does this matter?
Coin's for sale/trade.
Tom Pilitowski
US Rare Coin Investments
800-624-1870
Interesting hypothesis!
Seriously, I've never seen a scratch blaze like in your picture. I only wonder how much less it blazes in real life. Not that that means you have any less of a return privilege, of course, but it might go some way in explaining how the seller missed the scratch. Even if he is, as you assert, a complete jerk.
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
I tried to photograph it upside down, sideways, etc...
I couldn't hide it.
If I come to Baltimore I will have it, in case I see this friendly chap. Our son's AllStar LL team may end up ultimately interferring with Baltimore........
regarding a plug...don't think so. Those are just some old marks of some sort.
Now....back to your regularly scheduled programming!
Harlan J. Berk, Ltd.
https://hjbltd.com/#!/department/us-coins
Coin's for sale/trade.
Tom Pilitowski
US Rare Coin Investments
800-624-1870
CG
<< <i>Next thing he'll want to argue that it's not a scratch and that maybe the coin received the damage by self infliction.
Interesting hypothesis!
Seriously, I've never seen a scratch blaze like in your picture. I only wonder how much less it blazes in real life. Not that that means you have any less of a return privilege, of course, but it might go some way in explaining how the seller missed the scratch. Even if he is, as you assert, a complete jerk. >>
He didn't miss the scratch. The eBay photo, which wasn't very good, showed it but it looked like it was on the plastic. In hand, the seller knew darn well the coin had a scratch. He mentioned the circles, which are far more subtle than the scratch. If he saw the circles, he saw the scratch.
<< <i>
<< <i>Next thing he'll want to argue that it's not a scratch and that maybe the coin received the damage by self infliction.
Interesting hypothesis!
Seriously, I've never seen a scratch blaze like in your picture. I only wonder how much less it blazes in real life. Not that that means you have any less of a return privilege, of course, but it might go some way in explaining how the seller missed the scratch. Even if he is, as you assert, a complete jerk. >>
He didn't miss the scratch. The eBay photo, which wasn't very good, showed it but it looked like it was on the plastic. In hand, the seller knew darn well the coin had a scratch. He mentioned the circles, which are far more subtle than the scratch. If he saw the circles, he saw the scratch. >>
Nice to see someone not always wanting to play devil's advocate and poke at people, unlike some people around here.
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
<< <i>Even considering how stubborn and short-sighted some people are, I'm surprised that a seller would act that way and risk the negative consequences he has over a transaction of less than $600. >>
I'm not whatsoever. Now I'm sure my self-appointed board psychologist won't like my thinking. I say.... TOUGH!
<< <i>I don't get it. What is your point?
Maybe it's not a staple scratch. >>
It was not a pick, it was a scratch!
Ron is (or at least was) a frequent CW classified advertiser for many years. I don't think I've ever seen him set up at a show but I have seen him walking the bourse on occasion. He is far from a newbie.
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
Of course. Aren't you?
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
Of course. Aren't you?
Perhaps you could introduce Goose to our new friend Ron....
<< <i>287 is not impressive. That "sex with a puppy" thread on the OF topped 400. >>
There's a thread about state quarters over in the registry forum that closing in on 700.
Russ, NCNE
Then send him to Pittsburgh on a Greyhound.
Then send him to Pittsburgh on a Greyhound...
...with Ron wearing a t-shirt that says, "Steelers suck, go Browns!" We won't here from him for a while after that.
Coin's for sale/trade.
Tom Pilitowski
US Rare Coin Investments
800-624-1870
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<< <i>Sure there are some here like Fletcher with unlimited funds but not all of us are in that boat. >>
Unlimited funds or not, I would raise hell. I think that the guy that sold goose that coin is as big of an idiot as Darin who sold me a coin and then refused to refund my money after six weeks even though the post office confirmed that it was never delivered. It isn't the amount of the transaction, it is that nobody should put up with getting screwed. I side with goose on this one ... I was simply pointing out what a hypocrite he is.
Fletcher, you really are amazing. There were a few other threads concerning our transaction and it's kind of funny how you tried to sneak in a few more negative comments concerning me over that Ebay transaction.
Without boring everyone with all the bland details of the transaction, why on earth would I refund your money on that transaction once you filed your complaint with Paypal? At that point, of course I'm not going to refund your money. The insured package (w/sig. confirmation) never arrived to you, so you were going to win your Paypal complaint on those grounds and get your refund through Paypal. I filed the claim when I said I did, and patiently waited for the situation to rectify itself.
I was prompt with shipping the coin, replying to your emails, and filing the claim for the lost package. You were reassured in a couple of different threads that I was not going to scam you, or take your money. Multiple board members vouched for my integrity in a matter like this, and although you claimed you were reassured, your actions were quite different.
You blatantly lied in the negative feedback you left for me, claiming that you didn't receive a refund for the transaction (paypal refunded your money on 6/19, they sent me the confirmation of that fact) which should speak volumes of YOUR character.
As far as your reference to my only other negative feedback on Ebay, check out that item and it's terms before you use that to back you lame argument that I am not a person worthy to purchase a coin from. That buyer tried to force me to refund money for a very inexpensive item that was CLEARLY listed as non-returnable. Again, I'm not going to get into all the specifics involved in that transaction, but that buyer might well be a relative of yours.
I shipped a coin to you that never arrived to you. Everyone handles a situation like this differently. In six years on Ebay, NO ONE that I have dealt with has proceeded in the manner that you did. THAT speaks for itself.
LSCC#1864
Ebay Stuff
Is Fletcher still here?
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<< <i><<I wish we could get Ron here to explain his side.>>
Here is my correspondence with him:
Me:
<<See here:
http://forums.collectors.com/messageview.cfm?catid=26&threadid=519780&STARTPAGE=1
You're making quite a name for yourself - I hope it is worth it to you. I predict that you're fighting a losing battle, legally and time-wise. >>
Him:
<<What is yer beef and identify yerself by name?>>
Me:
<<My name is Mark Feld, a full time dealer of 25 plus years. My beef is that the buyer of your ANACS 1822 dime made it very clear that he wanted the right to be able to inspect the coin and be able to return it if it didn't meet with his satisfaction. You sold it to him with that knowledge and are therefore obligated ethically and legally to accept the return. He contacted you in a very timely fashion and you renegged on your agreement.
Additionally, the tone and content of your messages are extremely defensive and out of line. You are making a very bad name for yourself among a huge group of collectors and dealers over this.>>
Him:
<<Hey bud...mind yer own business...you got too much time on yer hands.>>
Me:
<<Coins is my business and dealers like you, who are dishonest and treat collectors like you do, is bad for my business.>> >>
Mark Feld may possibly be the coolest guy in the universe...Mike
You suck! Now I'll have to wait for 400.
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
Feltcher if your still around you offered to not buy/sell from anyone who desired it.... I now step up to the plate, Please add me to your list. ebay 19193
tnx
if you still around
Kewpie Doll award-10/29/2007
Successful BST transactions with Coinboy and Wondercoin.
I work 12 hours today and you all get to goof off!
<< <i>Wow!! LOL
I work 12 hours today and you all get to goof off! >>
Hey, I worked some today.
<< <i>Wow!! LOL
I work 12 hours today and you all get to goof off! >>
I worked ten, ya bum!!
<< <i>Wow!! LOL
I work 12 hours today and you all get to goof off! >>
Goofing off is an integral part of my work.
Russ, NCNE
<< <i>
<< <i>Wow!! LOL
I work 12 hours today and you all get to goof off! >>
I worked ten, ya bum!! >>
I'm STILL working ya slackers!!!!
And, fletcher, you are SCUM for leaving that type of feedback for Darin!!! He was doing things like he was supposed to and you jumped the gun to get what you wanted WHEN YOU wanted it.
Guess it is time for you to come back with ANOTHER ID, isn't it?
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
<< <i>
<< <i>Wow!! LOL
I work 12 hours today and you all get to goof off! >>
Goofing off is an integral part of my work.
Russ, NCNE >>
Yeah, but then your boss is a big goofoff himself
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
<< <i>
<< <i>
<< <i>Wow!! LOL
I work 12 hours today and you all get to goof off! >>
Goofing off is an integral part of my work.
Russ, NCNE >>
Yeah, but then your boss is a big goofoff himself
His boss is also a very crude looking guy. I've seen pictures.
put a fork in this thread....it's done for me.
thanks all!
john has been called worse
Go BIG or GO HOME. ©Bill
Buying top quality Seated Dimes in Gem BU and Proof.
Buying great coins - monster eye appeal only.
<< <i>deleted.
put a fork in this thread....it's done for me.
thanks all! >>
Can you elaborate? Did this get settled?