<< <i><<<This guys a dick>>> Report this unprofessional dealer to the attorney generals office in his state's capitol, watch how quick your refund arrives >>
<< <i>Just be happy you received your coin at all ... the last time I bought from a board member I paid for the coin instantly and didn't receive a damn thing >>
What a doofus. You got proved wrong and said you would leave. That lasted for what, a week?
This is not about money--it's a matter of principle!!
Nobody's defending the seller. The question at hand is how to deal with the seller. And despite the fact that Goose asked for our opinions, his decision was already made.
Andy Lustig
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
Hmm an interesting thread. Most of the time I think Andy is spot on but not so in this case. Your response that someone who is spending $500 on a coin should be able to take a $500 loss is way off base IMO. Sure there are some here like Fletcher with unlimited funds but not all of us are in that boat. If I spend $500 I expect to get $500 worth for my money.
According to the terms of your deal, you can return it for any reason, apparently (you had inspection rights). So, what's the problem?
I agree with the opinions about doing a chargeback, and/or making a complaint to the ANA (if he is a member) if he refuses to honor his agreement, or if there is a problem with getting a refund.
If the seller, from his point of view, considers you fussy or difficult, his remedy is to block you from bidding on his auctions...
This situation seems pretty clear to me. The amount of the deal makes no difference at all.
John
John C. Knudsen, LM ANA 2342, LM CSNS 337 SFC, US Army (Ret.) 1974-1994
<< <i>Sure there are some here like Fletcher with unlimited funds but not all of us are in that boat. >>
Unlimited funds or not, I would raise hell. I think that the guy that sold goose that coin is as big of an idiot as Darin who sold me a coin and then refused to refund my money after six weeks even though the post office confirmed that it was never delivered. It isn't the amount of the transaction, it is that nobody should put up with getting screwed. I side with goose on this one ... I was simply pointing out what a hypocrite he is.
I would just sue him in small claims, in his city.
He probably will not show up; and, he may just settle with you fast.
The "return priv language" is a little "iffy."
You are stating your position, and his strongest statement is:
"That's good and that being all said, ...."
(When I used to deal with the Yakuza, they said "Yes," everytime I stated my position. What they really meant was, "I hear what you are saying, but I am not now discussing whether or not I agree with what you are saying. Just that I hear you. Yes. I hear you.")
He then says:
"There are absolutely no scratches and gouges that would make the coin look damaged...you know what I mean."
(That is the statement that wins your small-claims case.)
I do not care what that coin is worth. It is UGLY and damaged.
Dealing with eBayers "off-eBay" is always VERY risky. Also, the way he replies to folks in his FB indicates that he might possibly be slightly eccentric/demented.
Just sue him.
storm
Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
This does ring a bell but can't place it at the moment.
Call it tuition in the ebay school of buying coins. Although you did get scammed since you claim you had a refund priviledge.
I got scammed as well, from a different dealer, about 5yrs ago on ebay on a coin costing nearly $3k. I have not bought a single coin costing over $100 on ebay since.
Let me just say I am not surprised and it looks like you'll have to eat this given the personality involved.
BTW, I thought it was awfully silly for him to claim he was only making $35 on the deal. I hate it when dealers tell me that nonsense. They immediately go on my do not buy list. If you are a dealer I don't care how much/little you make, just tell me how much it cost.
The guy is a jerk and I hope kharma comes around to him. I also hope you can get your moneyback (you didn't mention if you used paypal or sent a MO or check). Hopefully, people get warned off on this.
I do thank you for posting the creep's name rather than leaving it unmentioned like so many do. I've had nothing but stellar interactions with you and you don't deserve this. I also think it is lame that some are going on attack here....or playing with words. Too bad that they have to do cheap little shots.
Good luck and I hope he realizes that he is not only wrong but stupid in what he is doing!
think that the guy that sold goose that coin is as big of an idiot as Darin who sold me a coin and then refused to refund my money after six weeks even though the post office confirmed that it was never delivered
Does anybody else have info on how or what transpired? I hate to see Darin's good name being tossed around like that....
My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable !
<< <i><<<This guys a dick>>> Report this unprofessional dealer to the attorney generals office in his state's capitol, watch how quick your refund arrives >>
Reort him to the ANA, if he is a member. I would. >>
I forgot.....it's taboo around here to associate a dealer with anything negative. We collectors are supposed to take this sort of crap, right?
I don't think you're directing that one towards me right Goose? >>
This coming from a guy that calls me a bigot because I don't care for the Child labor problems in Viet Nam and China, just because he owns businesses there!!!
<< <i>I would just sue him in small claims, in his city.
He probably will not show up; and, he may just settle with you fast. >>
Ok, so he doesn't show and the judgement is in your favor. That doesn't get you money, nor does it mean you didn't have to spend money to be there yourself and court costs. Those would all come out of his pocket, BUT... You then have to go after his bank accounts to get money. Do you know where he banks? What if he empties any account he has that you would possibly have knowledge and move to a new bank? You spent how much to get there and court costs, then how much to find the account etc.
Trust me, small claims court will only cost you money in the end.
<< <i>I would just sue him in small claims, in his city.
Dealing with eBayers "off-eBay" is always VERY risky. Also, the way he replies to folks in his FB indicates that he might possibly be slightly eccentric/demented.
Just sue him.
>>
I agree that the best recourse would be small claims court litigation--but you have to serve out of State and then enforce a judgement when he no-shows.
I disagree about Ebay--their so-called buyer protection is absolutely worthless in circumstnces like this.
<< <i>Me too, a $900 currency sale by a darling seller called Javajune (among other Ebay names)--litigation and investigation pending. >>
Except that:
(1) Unlike this situation, I don't think any return privilege was implied in your situation;
(2) In your case, the image made it very clear that this was not an "uncirculated" note -- and the pinhole was plainly visible in the picture. In this case the scratch was not.
To equate this situation with yours is, well, a stretch.
<< <i>I would just sue him in small claims, in his city.
Dealing with eBayers "off-eBay" is always VERY risky. Also, the way he replies to folks in his FB indicates that he might possibly be slightly eccentric/demented.
Just sue him.
>>
I agree that the best recourse would be small claims court litigation--but yoou have to serve the Dick out of State and then enforce a judgement when he no-shows.
I disagree about Ebay--their so-called buyer protection is absolutely worthless in circumstnces like this. >>
It wasn't bought on ebay! It wasn't bought on ebay! It wasn't bought on ebay! It wasn't bought on ebay! It wasn't bought on ebay! It wasn't bought on ebay! It wasn't bought on ebay! It wasn't bought on ebay! It wasn't bought on ebay! It wasn't bought on ebay! It wasn't bought on ebay! It wasn't bought on ebay! It wasn't bought on ebay! It wasn't bought on ebay! It wasn't bought on ebay! It wasn't bought on ebay! It wasn't bought on ebay! It wasn't bought on ebay! It wasn't bought on ebay! It wasn't bought on ebay!
By the way, did I mention that It wasn't bought on ebay!
I agree with the majority. And if Goose walks away, this jamoke gets to pull the same scam over and over again to other potential buyers. $50 or a $100 adds up over time. Sorry, you have to call it what it is...a scam. Unfortunately there is little that can be done that won't cost you more in time and money and aggravation. ANA cannot help, ebay could care less. Your best bet is leaving flaming Feedback twice (a 2nd negative reponse to his neg as well). And pass the word.
I had the same experience with ebay dealer Brian Timmons who refused to accept a return after he agreed to those terms. His method was to ignore my emails for 3 weeks, then finally respond to say that I exceeded the return privilege time period! Any chance Mr. Feurer and him work together??
I feel bad for you and do think you should pursue it. Right is right and wrong is wrong.
Someone please correct me if I am wrong but it is my understanding you can file in your own state and once a judgement is made in your favor it will follow them on their credit. Also they will not be able to get a loan from a bank till judgements are settled. Joe
Buyer protection plan? The only plan ebay enforces is the seller protection plan. I sent ebay a list of several active auctions where the seller was selling SGS coins in very high grades (67 to 69) and using PCGS keyword spamming in the title, the body, and anywhere else he could plaster it. Not once in any of those auctions was the word SGS mentioned...except on the slab holder in the photo. This is of no concern to ebay. The PCGS price guide was used in every auction to prove how valuable these coins were. Yes, a common date $20 Saint in a SGS67 holder is "potentially worth $8000." Except if the coin is only a 63 or 64 or 65 or 66.
And that BS about Darin is just that BS. He conducted himself properly as that thread will attest. He is a 100% straight shooter.
you were a perfect gentleman and no doubt you relayed your concern about scratches. this clown needs to get a big negative and you need to contact safe harbor at ebay. i wish you the best. tg
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<< <i>you were a perfect gentleman and no doubt you relayed your concern about scratches. this clown needs to get a big negative and you need to contact safe harbor at ebay. i wish you the best. tg >>
<< <i>Sure there are some here like Fletcher with unlimited funds but not all of us are in that boat. >>
Unlimited funds or not, I would raise hell. I think that the guy that sold goose that coin is as big of an idiot as Darin who sold me a coin and then refused to refund my money after six weeks even though the post office confirmed that it was never delivered. It isn't the amount of the transaction, it is that nobody should put up with getting screwed. I side with goose on this one ... I was simply pointing out what a hypocrite he is.
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Doofus, the post office never declared it lost, which is what was needed to file an insurance claim. Re-read your "farewell" thread, channelislandsfletcher!
To equate your old dispute with goose3's sitation is WAY WAY off base, and is not going to win you any sympathy points here.
My 3 year old Redbook gives it $250 retail in AG3. I'd just list it with a fair discription on Ebay to get something back at least. Other than that, why the post? If you want ways for revenge against this liar, I's just buy stuff at his Ebay account, claim I sent a check (not!), then give him a pile of negs. No point to that--but maybe you'll feel better at least.
<< <i>And, after that, I'd report the solicitation for an off ebay site transaction and get his seller account deleted. >>
I don't think I would do that since Goose3 was the one who did the off-eBay solicitation. He might be the one who gets booted not the seller. >>
It is not a violation to make an offer to purchase as a buyer. Ebay expects a seller to relist, or set up an approved bidder auction to conduct business through the system. By doing business ouside the system the seller violated terms of service.
The link to report the transacton can be found by accessing the help menu.
<< <i>[ It is not a violation to make an offer to purchase as a buyer. Ebay expects a seller to relist, or set up an approved bidder auction to conduct business through the system. By doing business ouside the system the seller violated terms of service.
>>
As far as I am concerned, Ebay can take their rules and go pound sand! Most of the big coin deals are "off-Ebay" anyway.
As far as I am concerned, Ebay can take their rules and go pound sand! Most of the big coin deals are "off-Ebay" anyway. >>
Real simple. If you choose sell there, you should follow the rules. If you disagree with the TOS, thats fine, sell elseware. >>
If you are a seller, be guided by your own standards. As a buyer, I could care less about Ebay's so-called buyer protection--it's virtually worthless and a big hastle to boot!
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That's why my reply was blank.
Sorry
Coin's for sale/trade.
Tom Pilitowski
US Rare Coin Investments
800-624-1870
I'm behind that 110%. jws
I forgot.....it's taboo around here to associate a dealer with anything negative. We collectors are supposed to take this sort of crap, right?
I don't think you're directing that one towards me right Goose?
Coin's for sale/trade.
Tom Pilitowski
US Rare Coin Investments
800-624-1870
Who was it, Fletcher?
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<< <i>I said that I would back off and take a short loss because it's not worth getting into a pissing contest over a small loss. >>
What constitututes a small loss?, not all of us collectors are millionaires. Ethics doesn't have a price!
No, it's not a small loss. A $500 coin is expensive enough that most people will want any problems to be resolved.
First, the coin is far from a total loss. Second, whatever the loss, it should not be significant to somebody buying $500 coins.
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
<< <i>No, it's not a small loss. A $500 coin is expensive enough that most people will want any problems to be resolved.
First, the coin is far from a total loss. Second, whatever the loss, it should not be significant to somebody buying $500 coins. >>
This is not about money--it's a matter of principle!!
<< <i><<<This guys a dick>>>
Reort him to the ANA, if he is a member. I would.
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<< <i>Just be happy you received your coin at all ... the last time I bought from a board member I paid for the coin instantly and didn't receive a damn thing
What a doofus. You got proved wrong and said you would leave. That lasted for what, a week?
Fletcher aka Channel Islands "farewell" thread
Nobody's defending the seller. The question at hand is how to deal with the seller. And despite the fact that Goose asked for our opinions, his decision was already made.
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
Chris
My Collection of Old Holders
Never a slave to one plastic brand will I ever be.
(you had inspection rights).
So, what's the problem?
I agree with the opinions about doing a chargeback, and/or making a complaint
to the ANA (if he is a member) if he refuses to honor his agreement, or if there
is a problem with getting a refund.
If the seller, from his point of view, considers you fussy or difficult, his remedy is
to block you from bidding on his auctions...
This situation seems pretty clear to me. The amount of the deal makes no difference
at all.
John
SFC, US Army (Ret.) 1974-1994
<< <i>Sure there are some here like Fletcher with unlimited funds but not all of us are in that boat. >>
Unlimited funds or not, I would raise hell. I think that the guy that sold goose that coin is as big of an idiot as Darin who sold me a coin and then refused to refund my money after six weeks even though the post office confirmed that it was never delivered. It isn't the amount of the transaction, it is that nobody should put up with getting screwed. I side with goose on this one ... I was simply pointing out what a hypocrite he is.
He probably will not show up; and, he may just
settle with you fast.
The "return priv language" is a little "iffy."
You are stating your position, and his strongest statement is:
"That's good and that being all said, ...."
(When I used to deal with the Yakuza, they said "Yes,"
everytime I stated my position. What they really meant
was, "I hear what you are saying, but I am not now
discussing whether or not I agree with what you are
saying. Just that I hear you. Yes. I hear you.")
He then says:
"There are absolutely no scratches and gouges that would make
the coin look damaged...you know what I mean."
(That is the statement that wins your small-claims case.)
I do not care what that coin is worth. It is UGLY and damaged.
Dealing with eBayers "off-eBay" is always VERY risky. Also,
the way he replies to folks in his FB indicates that he might
possibly be slightly eccentric/demented.
Just sue him.
storm
Call it tuition in the ebay school of buying coins. Although you did get scammed since you claim you had a refund priviledge.
I got scammed as well, from a different dealer, about 5yrs ago on ebay on a coin costing nearly $3k. I have not bought a single coin costing over $100 on ebay since.
Let me just say I am not surprised and it looks like you'll have to eat this given the personality involved.
BTW, I thought it was awfully silly for him to claim he was only making $35 on the deal. I hate it when dealers tell me that nonsense. They immediately go on my do not buy list. If you are a dealer I don't care how much/little you make, just tell me how much it cost.
Sorry to hear this happened to you
The guy is a jerk and I hope kharma comes around to him. I also hope you can get your moneyback (you didn't mention if you used paypal or sent a MO or check).
Hopefully, people get warned off on this.
I do thank you for posting the creep's name rather than leaving it unmentioned like so many do. I've had nothing but stellar interactions with you and you don't deserve this.
I also think it is lame that some are going on attack here....or playing with words. Too bad that they have to do cheap little shots.
Good luck and I hope he realizes that he is not only wrong but stupid in what he is doing!
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
Does anybody else have info on how or what transpired? I hate to see Darin's good name being tossed around like that....
There is a thread by fletcher asking about Darin.
Fletcher was the only one with the problem and many responded to their good dealings with Darin.
I don't have the link right off, but do a look and you will find it.
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
He changed the title to . to ignore what he posted.....
And another one by feltcher with the title nicely changed to a . ......
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
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<< <i><<<This guys a dick>>>
Reort him to the ANA, if he is a member. I would. >>
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What is the coin worth to you? I will sell it to you since it's still worth something to you.
It's an "ANACS AG3".
I bought a problem free raw one in ag3 for just a bit over 600.00 earlier this year.
<< <i>.
I forgot.....it's taboo around here to associate a dealer with anything negative. We collectors are supposed to take this sort of crap, right?
I don't think you're directing that one towards me right Goose? >>
This coming from a guy that calls me a bigot because I don't care for the Child labor problems in Viet Nam and China, just because he owns businesses there!!!
<< <i>No, it's not a small loss. A $500 coin is expensive enough that most people will want any problems to be resolved.
First, the coin is far from a total loss. Second, whatever the loss, it should not be significant to somebody buying $500 coins. >>
Andy, you couldn't be more wrong.
<< <i>I would just sue him in small claims, in his city.
He probably will not show up; and, he may just
settle with you fast. >>
Ok, so he doesn't show and the judgement is in your favor. That doesn't get you money, nor does it mean you didn't have to spend money to be there yourself and court costs. Those would all come out of his pocket, BUT... You then have to go after his bank accounts to get money. Do you know where he banks? What if he empties any account he has that you would possibly have knowledge and move to a new bank? You spent how much to get there and court costs, then how much to find the account etc.
Trust me, small claims court will only cost you money in the end.
<< <i>[ It isn't the amount of the transaction, it is that nobody should put up with getting screwed.
Well said!
I don't mind being screwed, but I'd like to take my pants off first!
This is a case of a dealer lying & misrepresenting a product then backing out on an agreement. Spin it however you want but that's what it is, period.
Great transactions with oih82w8, JasonGaming, Moose1913.
<< <i>I would just sue him in small claims, in his city.
Dealing with eBayers "off-eBay" is always VERY risky. Also,
the way he replies to folks in his FB indicates that he might
possibly be slightly eccentric/demented.
Just sue him.
>>
I agree that the best recourse would be small claims court litigation--but you have to serve out of State and then enforce a judgement when he no-shows.
I disagree about Ebay--their so-called buyer protection is absolutely worthless in circumstnces like this.
<< <i>Ron Feuer name does ring a bell but can't place it at the moment.[
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Reminds me of Hitler!!
<< <i>I got scammed as well, about 5yrs ago on ebay on a coin costing nearly $3k. I have not bought a single coin costing over $100 on ebay since.
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Me too, a $900 currency sale by a darling seller called Javajune (among other Ebay names)--litigation and investigation pending.
<< <i>Me too, a $900 currency sale by a darling seller called Javajune (among other Ebay names)--litigation and investigation pending. >>
Except that:
(1) Unlike this situation, I don't think any return privilege was implied in your situation;
(2) In your case, the image made it very clear that this was not an "uncirculated" note -- and the pinhole was plainly visible in the picture. In this case the scratch was not.
To equate this situation with yours is, well, a stretch.
<< <i>
<< <i>I would just sue him in small claims, in his city.
Dealing with eBayers "off-eBay" is always VERY risky. Also,
the way he replies to folks in his FB indicates that he might
possibly be slightly eccentric/demented.
Just sue him.
>>
I agree that the best recourse would be small claims court litigation--but yoou have to serve the Dick out of State and then enforce a judgement when he no-shows.
I disagree about Ebay--their so-called buyer protection is absolutely worthless in circumstnces like this. >>
It wasn't bought on ebay! It wasn't bought on ebay! It wasn't bought on ebay! It wasn't bought on ebay! It wasn't bought on ebay!
It wasn't bought on ebay! It wasn't bought on ebay! It wasn't bought on ebay! It wasn't bought on ebay! It wasn't bought on ebay!
It wasn't bought on ebay! It wasn't bought on ebay! It wasn't bought on ebay! It wasn't bought on ebay! It wasn't bought on ebay!
It wasn't bought on ebay! It wasn't bought on ebay! It wasn't bought on ebay! It wasn't bought on ebay! It wasn't bought on ebay!
By the way, did I mention that It wasn't bought on ebay!
I had the same experience with ebay dealer Brian Timmons who refused to accept a return after he agreed to those terms. His method was to ignore my emails for 3 weeks, then finally respond to say that I exceeded the return privilege time period! Any chance Mr. Feurer and him work together??
roadrunner
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By the way, did I mention that It wasn't bought on ebay!
I didn't say it was--I was just making the point that Ebay's so-called buyer protection wouldn't have made any difference in this case.
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<< <i>
By the way, did I mention that It wasn't bought on ebay!
I didn't say it was--I was just making the point that Ebay's so-called buyer protection wouldn't have made any difference in this case. >>
No chit! I wonder if that is because It wasn't bought on ebay!
Someone please correct me if I am wrong but it is my understanding you can file in your own state
and once a judgement is made in your favor it will follow them on their credit. Also they will not
be able to get a loan from a bank till judgements are settled. Joe
And that BS about Darin is just that BS. He conducted himself properly as that thread will attest. He is a 100% straight shooter.
roadrunner
<< <i>you were a perfect gentleman and no doubt you relayed your concern about scratches. this clown needs to get a big negative and you need to contact safe harbor at ebay. i wish you the best. tg >>
This coin was not purchased through eBay.
And, after that, I'd report the solicitation for an off ebay site transaction and get his seller account deleted.
I'm hardly the highest buyer on stuff like this so I won't insult you with my offer. Good luck selling the piece and please let us know how you do!
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
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<< <i>Sure there are some here like Fletcher with unlimited funds but not all of us are in that boat. >>
Unlimited funds or not, I would raise hell. I think that the guy that sold goose that coin is as big of an idiot as Darin who sold me a coin and then refused to refund my money after six weeks even though the post office confirmed that it was never delivered. It isn't the amount of the transaction, it is that nobody should put up with getting screwed. I side with goose on this one ... I was simply pointing out what a hypocrite he is.
Doofus, the post office never declared it lost, which is what was needed to file an insurance claim. Re-read your "farewell" thread, channelislandsfletcher!
To equate your old dispute with goose3's sitation is WAY WAY off base, and is not going to win you any sympathy points here.
No doubt goose was. I cannot imagine it any other way.
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
People need to stand up to those that don't keep their word.
Some folks just need to be reminded what is right and honest.
That said, I don't see how ANACS could miss this.
Is it normal for them to overlook a problem on AG grades?
<< <i>And, after that, I'd report the solicitation for an off ebay site transaction and get his seller account deleted. >>
I don't think I would do that since Goose3 was the one who did the off-eBay solicitation. He might be the one who gets booted not the seller.
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<< <i>And, after that, I'd report the solicitation for an off ebay site transaction and get his seller account deleted. >>
I don't think I would do that since Goose3 was the one who did the off-eBay solicitation. He might be the one who gets booted not the seller. >>
It is not a violation to make an offer to purchase as a buyer. Ebay expects a seller to relist, or set up an approved bidder auction to conduct business through the system. By doing business ouside the system the seller violated terms of service.
The link to report the transacton can be found by accessing the help menu.
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It is not a violation to make an offer to purchase as a buyer. Ebay expects a seller to relist, or set up an approved bidder auction to conduct business through the system. By doing business ouside the system the seller violated terms of service.
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As far as I am concerned, Ebay can take their rules and go pound sand!
Most of the big coin deals are "off-Ebay" anyway.
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As far as I am concerned, Ebay can take their rules and go pound sand!
Most of the big coin deals are "off-Ebay" anyway. >>
Real simple.
If you choose sell there, you should follow the rules.
If you disagree with the TOS, thats fine, sell elseware.
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As far as I am concerned, Ebay can take their rules and go pound sand!
Most of the big coin deals are "off-Ebay" anyway. >>
Real simple.
If you choose sell there, you should follow the rules.
If you disagree with the TOS, thats fine, sell elseware. >>
If you are a seller, be guided by your own standards. As a buyer, I could care less about Ebay's so-called buyer protection--it's virtually worthless and a big hastle to boot!