I won't buy on Ebay from any seller that doesn't accept PayPal
MrD
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I don't know about anyone else but I'm sick of hearing this. 
If you don't want to bid then don't. Am I wrong?
If you don't want to bid then don't. Am I wrong? 
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Any seller not accepting paypal is costing themselves money.
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Russ, NCNE
<< <i>Those who refuse to buy from those who don't accept paypal are missing out on some good deals. >>
But there's also plenty of good deals out there from sellers that do accept paypal.
<< <i>Am I wrong? >>
No. It's your listing so you can do as you please. If folks don't like it, pass it on by.
As a seller, I don't like paying the 3% to PayPal but the convenience is worth it me since I sell alot less than I buy. A buyer uses PayPal you can automatically print shipping label with postage taken from your PayPal account. Slap that printed label on fat envelope or box and drop it by the post office. It saves me a lot of time. And TIME IS MONEY.
Sorry if this ruffles your feathers
EDITED TO ADD: After reading Mr. D's second post in which he elaborates on his first post, I withdraw my complaint ... sort of
i will look for paypal sellers on something generic like CD's, but on things like coins if you can put up with a little inconvenience you can sometimes get good deals. Paypal pays for itself in convenience to the seller- people will bid higher just for the convenience-I do--it saves me time,postage and i can pay instantly.It is easy,fast and your check can't get lost in the mail. Bob
<< <i>Paypal is convenient for your customer, and it provides them another layer of protection. >>
Precisely why THEY should pay the fee. I can understand why you would be sick of hearing it tho.
edit to add :
Nice website. And pay pal is expensive
``https://ebay.us/m/KxolR5
I have never had a problem with any of those purchases. PayPal charges too much and
will clawback funds at the drop of the hat, so I can see why some sellers don't like to use it.
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<< <i>Paypal is convenient for your customer, and it provides them another layer of protection. >>
Precisely why THEY should pay the fee. I can understand why you would be sick of hearing it tho. >>
How would you feel if you went to a restaurant and were charged extra for using your credit card?
Edited to add: I don't utter a word about not accepting paypal, I just pass the auction by quietly.
Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."
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How would you feel if you went to a restaurant and were charged extra for using your credit card?
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Back in the 80's, this was common practice at every gas station.
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<< <i>How would you feel if you went to a restaurant and were charged extra for using your credit card? >>
If I know in advance that I pay extra to use the card I can deal with that or leave a smaller tip. The thing is that a restaurant can figure the 3% into its prices. If you sell on eBay in the most advantageous way [that is no reserve or high first bid] then you have NO CONTROL over what your item will sell for.
<< <i>The choice would be mine but I wouldn't complain to management..... and thats pecisely my point >>
I agree with you. I wouldn't say a word, but I probably wouldn't return, either.
P.S. Who is "The Management", anyway ?
Also, I side with the store owner. There is little we can do except start our own little auction house online.........let's call it : O-boy.com
short of that, the cost of doing business is a huge slice into profits. That happens everywhere. If you are so cheap that you exclude customers because you won't accept a convenience of payment, then that same snobbiness will keep certain customers away from your door anyway. The bottom line is profit. After Uncle Sam gets his, what's left over isn't much and ebay and her harlot sister PAYPAL along with the morticians (NGC, PCGS, and all the other slabbers) all get their cut. WHat is left is hard working people with coins that all the sharks have taken a bite out of. Now comes the serious question:
At which point do you close up shop ?
``https://ebay.us/m/KxolR5
<< <i>I've often heard, if they are not b..tching, you just aren't charging enough >>
Or if it doesn't hurt you aint giving enough.
I dont like losing the 3% anymore than the next seller, but at least I know the check wont bounce. It also simplifies my taxes at the end of the year so much that it's actually worth the 3% to me.
I would argue that most people dont complain to you about your not accepting paypal. They just follow your advice. They dont bid and instead drive other peoples auctions higher.
Good point. Would buyers be so adament if they had to pay the fee or at least 1/2 of it for the convinience and safety.
I'd have no problem with paying half for the convinience and safty. I've always thought the buyer should pay at least some of the paypal fee. If nothing else, how about 40 cents. A stamp, envenlope, and check would cost more than that.
I just don't care for people telling me what I need to do.
It's your time, buisness, and money. I'd tell you not to care about them. But that would be telling you what you need to do.
David
bajjer, trinketts... I like you guy's way of thinking, too !
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With the expenses associated with Ebay in general(approx. 3 1/2 percent on average) I feel that another 3% is too much for me(or my consignors) to absorb. I used to accept bidpay for the convinience but they went out of business because buyers didn't want to pay the fees either....and I can't blame them!
I feel much better now
I don't mind paying some extra to the seller for the use of PayPal - But if a seller just plain refuses PayPal, I just plain refuse to offer him my money.
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<< <i>I don't know about anyone else but I'm sick of hearing this.
Why getting sick? Simply ignore will do. That's not too hard, is it?
<< <i>I don't know about anyone else but I'm sick of hearing this.
Curious. A sales strategy that specifically excludes bidders. How's that workin' for ya?
I don't hate PayPal as much I as used to.
I get charged 2.2% + 30c and then I use their PayPal Mastercard to get 1.5% back on purchases, so the net cost is 0.7%
Plus I get the 4.5% PayPal dividends while the money sits there.
When I buy something I always assume they take PayPal (except for greattonning) and when I check out and see only Money Order/Personal check options I grumble about it.
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<< <i>I don't know about anyone else but I'm sick of hearing this.
Doesn't bother me a bit but I will take paypal on smaller purchases up to $1500.00 ( I don't have many of these )
Beyond that it's certified bank check only
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As for me, Ebay is more trouble that it is worth. It's mostly a dumping place where dealers sell the items they can't sell at the shows.
<< <i> If you don't want to bid then don't. >>
On to the next ebay gripe...
Russ, NCNE
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Back in the 80's, this was common practice at every gas station.
It still is, at least here in San Diego, where we routinely lead the nation in high fuel prices.
<< <i>Sellers can always accept Paypal. mark up their prices and then give a discount for people who don't use it to pay. I have seen some sellers do it. >>
If I could be assured of at least getting a minimum amount for the item I list then I mite willingly embrace PreyPal. Nuthin worse than having an item sell at a loss the have to pay those frikken eBay and PreyPal fees to boot.
<< <i>Sellers can always accept Paypal. mark up their prices and then give a discount for people who don't use it to pay. I have seen some sellers do it. >>
Those sellers are violating the terms, or at least the spirit, of PayPal's and eBay's TOS. Someday, they'll get smacked, and blame PayPal for it when it's their own damn fault.
<< <i>How can you do that? Charge a buyers premium?
Start auction at a slightly higher price of what you would have started (inbuilt fees).... at the end give a discount for people paying with check. If I see this and is a high priced item then I would surely pay by check. If this were a low priced one, then as well pay the extra fees to save the hassle.
How can you do that? Charge a buyers premium?
You can charge a little more for P/H. Like 50 cents to a $1.00 and it is perfectly Ok. Then you can give discounts to those who pay with check or MO if you want. This is all coture and is allowable under eBay rules.
You seem to have taken this personally. It wasn't meant that way. It's the way I do business (just as you make the decision to do business the way you feel comfortable).
I have over 1,400 Ebay transactions to date, both as a buyer (primarily) and as a seller. When I buy on Ebay, I will not buy from someone who does not accept either PayPal or credit cards. In these days of fraud and scams, I just do not feel comfortable doing otherwise.
In the other thread you made the comment "Seriously though with my feedback are you really concerned about safety?"
Yes. I am. I've been ripped off by people with higher feedback totals than you. That's not meant as a dig, just reality. I don't know you. I've never dealt with you. Paying by check or money order leaves no recourse in a worst-case scenario.
Another reason: I like the convenience of instant payment. I abhor having to either get a money order or pay via check, wait 1-2 weeks for the check to be received and deposited, another week or so for the check to clear, before the merchandise ever ships. It's a pain in the ass. Maybe I'm too impatient, but it's an instant-gratification world.
Another reason: I don't necessarily have the cash to make an impulse purchase, but I can put it on a credit card. No, getting a cash advance is not an option at 20-30% cash advance rates.
As far as the 2.9% + 30 cents per transaction (less for higher volume sellers) that PayPal charges, I find that to be less expensive than most credit card merchant accounts (no monthly fee).
Sure, you have the right to not accept PayPal or credit cards, and I have the right not to buy from you. No harm no foul. It's a big world out there and there are plenty of buyers for you and plenty of sellers for me.
Why does this make you angry? I don't get it...
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