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Poll: Would you have this coin repaired?
The holed 1792 half disme has been brought up here more than once. So has a plugged 1794 half dollar. Hypothetically, you are given the 1792 half disme with the requirement that you must hold it for five years, would you choose to have the hole fixed? For the sake of argument, let us assume that the "hole fixer" is an expert in his discipline, can show you examples of similar coins he has successfully repaired with an excellent cosmetic result, and he will charge 10% of the hammer price at the Heritage sale for his work. Let us also assume that no matter how terrific a job he does, the coin will still have naked eye evidence of previous damage, so there will be no potential for fooling the next buyer.
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Voted for the wrong one. Meanter say it would lose its charm. You can't undo what's already been done.
Plus, in the pedigree, everyone would know you were the SOB who had it butchered a little more...
But personally, I would really enjoy it more with the hole in it... That's a great coin!!
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Incidentally, I know that's an expensive coin, but that wouldn't be a very attractive portrait of Liberty, even if it could be given wholeness. Half of her hair is flowing down and the other half looks like she's in a wind tunnel. Almost looks like an extreme mullet.
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<< <i>Almost looks like an extreme mullet. >>
Or Sonic Hedgehog. Definitely in the running for worst US coin design, especially with the scrawny chicken reverse.
But it is History. I'd leave the hole, which is also History. Can never undo what's been done.
Last I checked, it's up to 9200 with the juice.
ditto
this coin is one of my all time favorites, and I have not and will not "have anything done" to it to "make it better"
(although, I've been told, "have that repaired and you've got a valuable coin, there!")
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<< <i>The repair of a hole in a coin is just as much a part of its "history" as putting it there. The chance of finding who holed it is probably impossible. Most likely it was put there by Indians, but probably a long time ago. I'd fix it. Same as a dented fender. (Whoops....meant "quarter panel"
What fun is it if you repaired it yourself? Then you know the history. Where's the mystery in that??
Unless you're going to make the hole good as new, I don't see the point. It would be like punching a hole in the Mona Lisa's eye and then just using a brown patch.
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I know there are forum members who are doing a holded type set, maybe it would bring more from them
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<< <i>I'd have it expertly restored, including the major scratches. I find no romance or attraction in the vestiges of abuse, whether it be historical or not. If there was a known provenance that it hung around the neck of Sally Hemming, or Martha Washington, or Dolly Madison, (etc.) then I might reconsider. Restoration of the most expert kind leaves a trace, so I do not believe that on such an important piece it would go unnoticed, even if directly forgotten.
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This coin is a very high grade small head half dollar, 1795 O.126, that used to have a gigantic gash, but was otherwise an attractive coin. The mechanic heated the coin in order to move enough metal to hide the gash. Heating the coin caused it to tone these neon colors. ANACS missed the repair. If you think that a repair of the half disme would leave it looking better, remember how this coin turned out.
1870CC and 1795 dollars.
AMAZING work.
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<< <i>The "mechanic" ....may... not need heat. I sent a couple of dollars to PE Stockton and got them back and without the pencil rubbings I had made, would not have even been able to ...locate.... the holes.
1870CC and 1795 dollars.
AMAZING work. >>
PE Stockton is no longer repairing coins. His son, Alan, is doing the repairs now. I have compared the work of P.E. to Alan's work and I can tell you that the father was the master of hole repairs. No comparison. The new stuff that is being holed and plugged is garbage. Like slumlord said, the silver repairs require that the color/patina of the coin to be destroyed. Unless a real pro like P.E. does the work, you are better off with a hole in the coin.
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<< <i>despite the fact that it's a historical issue and is romanticized as such, the coin as is a piece of crap and would remain so no matter how much money any buyer dumped onto it. at approximately $10k, i could think of better ways to "invest" my money and would pass on this dog. >>
from the standpoint of numismatics, it will never be what it was.
from the standpoint of repair.... could you find me a good light bulb repairman while you're at it ?
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<< <i>despite the fact that it's a historical issue and is romanticized as such, the coin as is a piece of crap and would remain so no matter how much money any buyer dumped onto it. at approximately $10k, i could think of better ways to "invest" my money and would pass on this dog. >>
If I written a simlar response to a post about modern coins, I'd been getting a personal attack from you.
My own opinion is if I could not afford a better one, I'd pass on owning one, as I have done with the 1796-7 half dollar.
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no you wouldn't, my reply has nothing to do with an arguement you can't seem to let go of and a shoulder chip you can't seem to brush off and forget. my reply would be the same for any dog-coin from any era with severe damage that some would actually consider "doctoring" to improve the appearance of the coin. as a matter of fact, i'm really amazed that some would consider "doctoring" this coin, considering the strong feelings about such practices and regardless of the issue's status. it only proves one thing to me; the time honored American ideal of the double standard is alive and well, even in Numismatics.
No, because then you'd have a scratched up patched up coin instead of a scratched up holed coin.
But I voted #3 instead of #4
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it looks pretty beat up already & I'm not confident any repair to the hole would make it look that much better. Of course, you could always send it to NGC and have them conserve it via NCS, it'll have a good shot of making it into one of NGC's holders then!
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I disagree, and since I am one of those who is amazing to you, I will give you my rationale. Either way, the coin is a "problem coin". I personally would enjoy the coin more without the hole and might be willing to trade one problem for another (a "patch" for a "hole"). This is in no way trying to make the coin better than it is (ie. Dipping for Dollars™), and I would not misrepresent the coin to the next owner for personal profit.
I disagree, and since I am one of those who is amazing to you, I will give you my rationale. Either way, the coin is a "problem coin". I personally would enjoy the coin more without the hole and might be willing to trade one problem for another (a "patch" for a "hole"). This is in no way trying to make the coin better than it is (ie. Dipping for Dollars™), and I would not misrepresent the coin to the next owner for personal profit.
i added a bit to your cut/paste, it reads better when i'm not quoted out of context.
For example someone mentioned that a holded 1792 half disme had recently sold for $15K. I think it would be a safe bet that the buyer will have that coin repaired.
That was the original premise of this thread.
oh yes and it would look so good it would get slabbed by a leading pricing service
<< <i>For example someone mentioned that a holded 1792 half disme had recently sold for $15K. I think it would be a safe bet that the buyer will have that coin repaired.
That was the original premise of this thread.
So someone paid $15K for THIS piece.