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Simply irresistable!

tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,608 ✭✭✭✭✭
Haven't been doing much with Trade Dollars lately as the Seated Dollar project soaked up all my funds. But upon reading the description of this lot, the following snippet caught my eye:

a July 11, 1873 letter that Mint Superintendent James Pollock wrote to Mint Director Henry Linderman: "I send you specimen of trade dollar in tin struck today. We will commence the regular coinage of trade $ in a few hours. The enclosed will give you a tolerably correct idea of the silver dollar

Why, you might ask, was this of interest? Because about 5 years ago I bought a rather unique lot with a similar letter from Linderman to a friend presenting 4 of the first 5 trade dollars minted. Each coin had its number hand scratched above the eagle's head. The opportunity to reunite these specimens, coined within hours of each other, was irresistable!

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    LucyBopLucyBop Posts: 14,001 ✭✭✭
    sweeeeeeeet!
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    TomBTomB Posts: 22,969 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Now that is amazing!
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    bennybravobennybravo Posts: 1,950 ✭✭✭
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    RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
    So that 900 fine on the reverse is false advertising. You got screwed! image

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    TorinoCobra71TorinoCobra71 Posts: 8,097 ✭✭✭
    Nice Trade Dollar!

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    Ya, mon, irresistable!

    You did good. That is really neat. You really are TDN!
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    BustmanBustman Posts: 1,911
    Now that's a very cool pick up!
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    LeeGLeeG Posts: 12,162
    image Great coin with some history! Can't get any better than that image Congrat's
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    BustmanBustman Posts: 1,911
    Forgot to ask, TDN. Wghat kind of luster does a tin coin posess??
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    BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,625 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Way to go TDN. image
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    tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,608 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Forgot to ask, TDN. Wghat kind of luster does a tin coin posess??

    I honestly don't think I've ever seen one before.
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    I don't get it. PCGS missed that this was a tinstruck piece? It doesn't say so on the slab. I'm confused. Please make me less confused... ;o)

    Jonathan
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    FairlanemanFairlaneman Posts: 10,428 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The Eagle looks to have Full Feathers. No strike designation for these ?

    Cool Coin....image Was it Laura approved ? another image

    Ken
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    << <i>Forgot to ask, TDN. Wghat kind of luster does a tin coin posess??

    I honestly don't think I've ever seen one before. >>



    If you have not seen one, why are you saying the one in the picture is one?
    Still confused...

    Jonathan
    I have been a collector for over mumbly-five years. I learn something new every day.
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    If I only had a dollar for every VAM I have...err...nevermind...I do!! image

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    ms70ms70 Posts: 13,958 ✭✭✭✭✭

    TDN- Is there a number scratched above the eagle's head on this example? I can't tell from the pic. What's the number on the other one?

    VERY cool! image
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    MrKelsoMrKelso Posts: 2,912 ✭✭✭
    Excellent Specimen image


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    tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,608 ✭✭✭✭✭
    What's the number on the other one?

    Actually, the other 'one' is four coins, with the numbers 2, 3, 4, and 5 marked on them. This specimen doesn't have a number as it's not one of the first 5 silver coins struck - it's a tin die trial piece.
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    MikeInFLMikeInFL Posts: 10,192 ✭✭✭✭
    Simply having a coin that's specifically mentioned in mint records is cool enough. To be able to track down the first strikes by number is even cooler.

    FWIW, the coin in TDN's post is not numbered. It is the example that sold for $34.5k on Wednesday evening. Here is the larger photo of the reverse:

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    Totally Awesome Coin TDN!!

    Worth every cent that you paid IMO!!

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    If I only had a dollar for every VAM I have...err...nevermind...I do!! image

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    robertprrobertpr Posts: 6,862 ✭✭✭
    ...as the Seated Dollar project soaked up all my funds...

    For real? image


    Cool pattern!
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    roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,374 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Excellent! Is the tin one the #1 specimen struck? How many of those serialized silver #1-5 do you currently have?

    Let's hope that this doesn't initiate a rash of 3rd party numbers being scratched into coins and slabbed by a 3rd world TPG.

    roadrunner
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    tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,608 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Excellent! Is the tin one the #1 specimen struck?

    That I don't know. I'd sure like to find that silver one out there with the #1 scratched above the head [and some provenance to support it]


    How many of those serialized silver #1-5 do you currently have?

    2, 3, 4, and 5
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    TrimeTrime Posts: 1,863 ✭✭✭
    WOW!
    You have all five patterns in Tin?
    Trime
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    NumisOxideNumisOxide Posts: 11,037 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Very cool. Do you have pics of the serialized coins? I am sure everyone would love to see them.image
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    FatManFatMan Posts: 8,977
    Very Coolimage
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    TDN, bro-man if I may, you rock. I can't even imagine how cool it must be to be you. I would love to wake up anyday of the week and look at your collection. Time after time you've shown us some rockin' coinage. If I ever hit the megaball we have to talk.image
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    stephunterstephunter Posts: 2,324 ✭✭✭
    Does this pattern have the same raised die line running horizontally from the stalks of the wheat to the legs?
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    DAT IS ONE gorgeus chick!!!!!

    How can I say no to that!
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    tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,608 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Does this pattern have the same raised die line running horizontally from the stalks of the wheat to the legs?

    It does not appear to, which makes sense as this example was [presumably] created from a working die and not the proof die.


    Do you have pics of the serialized coins? I am sure everyone would love to see them

    I'll see what I can do.


    TDN, bro-man if I may, you rock. I can't even imagine how cool it must be to be you. I would love to wake up anyday of the week and look at your collection. Time after time you've shown us some rockin' coinage. If I ever hit the megaball we have to talk.

    Shucks! image

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    ziggy29ziggy29 Posts: 18,669 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I don't get it. PCGS missed that this was a tinstruck piece? It doesn't say so on the slab. >>

    The designation of J-1329 identifies it as such.
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    LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,664 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Very cool - congrats. I totally missed seeing that one.

    Russ - there is no mention of silver on the coin - it's .900 tin. image
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    Steve27Steve27 Posts: 13,277 ✭✭✭
    Wow, nice piece!
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    CladiatorCladiator Posts: 18,345 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Dude, you suck. Now I have that stupid song stuck in my head!
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    tmot99tmot99 Posts: 5,238 ✭✭✭
    Ok, I'm a bit confused (what else is new...) This is Judd 1329 which CoinFacts lists as "White Metal" and 1330 as "Tin". Therefore, the letter must have been for another coin, not this one. Can anyone set me straight on this?
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    tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,608 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Ok, I'm a bit confused (what else is new...) This is Judd 1329 which CoinFacts lists as "White Metal" and 1330 as "Tin". Therefore, the letter must have been for another coin, not this one. Can anyone set me straight on this?

    I prefer Pollock over Judd. They're combined as P-1474 in that book. They must be one and the same.
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    tmot99tmot99 Posts: 5,238 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Ok, I'm a bit confused (what else is new...) This is Judd 1329 which CoinFacts lists as "White Metal" and 1330 as "Tin". Therefore, the letter must have been for another coin, not this one. Can anyone set me straight on this?

    I prefer Pollock over Judd. They're combined as P-1474 in that book. They must be one and the same. >>



    Do you know or are you assuming? I did notice that the Pollock numbers were the same on CoinFacts. I didn't know if there was a difference in "White Metal" vs. "Tin". I suppose density would determine that, though. Crack that baby outta' there and let's put it into a bath to determine the density. image
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    tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,608 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Do you know or are you assuming?

    I don't know - good question. Perhaps MrEureka can answer.
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    MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,681 ✭✭✭✭✭
    White metal is a poorly defined term, which is sometimes use for tin, sometimes for other soft white metals and alloys. I've never heard of any tests done on "white metal" coins so I don't know what variations exist.

    As far as I know, all of the 73 Trade Dollars - whether called "white metal" or "tin" - are the same. Based on their appearance, I believe them to be tin.

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