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Thank you conder101

I have your 2003 book on third party grading services. Are there any new ones now?

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    Yes there are quite a few. The second edition is tentatively scheduled for early 2007 and so far contains over 40 more companies, and more than 100 new production varieties. Somehow I'm going to have to try and squeeze all of that in without increasing the physical size of the book.

    This is the list of companies so far (And I'm sure there are some that aren't on here).

    A-Mark
    ACC
    ACCGS
    ACCS
    Accugrade
    ACGS (American)
    ACGS (Australian)
    AGA
    AGI
    AGS (Advanced)
    AGS (American)
    ANAAB
    ANACS
    ANICS
    ANL
    ARC
    ASA
    BLANCHARD
    CCGC
    CCGS
    CCGS
    CCGS
    CCI
    CGA
    CGA
    CGC
    CGCGS
    COINLAND
    COMPUGRADE
    CRC
    CSA
    CSGS
    CTGS
    DCGS (Digital)
    DCGS (Distinctive)
    EAC
    FCS
    FSC
    FSG
    FTGS
    GCS
    GEM
    GLGS
    GSA
    HALLMARK
    HOLT
    ICCS
    ICG
    ICGS
    ICI
    ICS
    IGA
    IGS
    INC
    INGS
    INL
    INS
    IRI
    JNDA
    LCG
    MCCS
    MCGC
    MEGS
    MM
    MonExpert
    MTB
    NCCA
    NCG
    NCG
    NCI
    NCS
    NECA
    NES
    NFC
    NGC
    NGCS
    NGS
    NGS
    NIC
    NLG
    NNC
    NNCS
    NSCGS
    NTC
    Numex
    NWCG
    Paramount
    PCC
    PCG
    PCGA
    PCGA
    PCGS
    PCI
    PCS
    PGS
    Photo Seal
    PNG
    PNGL
    PPGS
    RCGS
    RMGS
    S&G
    SAGCE
    SDGS
    SEGS
    SGS
    Silvertowne
    TCGS
    TCTS
    TMM
    TruGrade
    Tulving
    Unknown
    USGCO
    USGCS
    USGS
    USNS
    USRCCT
    USTI
    VSS
    WCCS
    WCG
    WCGS
    Webcoinage
    WMP
    WWCG

    125 companies 3/3/05
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    I only see 3.image
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    SmittysSmittys Posts: 9,877 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I only see 3.image >>


    Maybe 4
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    ShamikaShamika Posts: 18,785 ✭✭✭✭
    Scarey!
    Buyer and seller of vintage coin boards!
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    << <i>Yes there are quite a few. The second edition is tentatively scheduled for early 2007 and so far contains over 40 more companies, and more than 100 new production varieties. Somehow I'm going to have to try and squeeze all of that in without increasing the physical size of the book.

    This is the list of companies so far (And I'm sure there are some that aren't on here).

    A-Mark
    ACC
    ACCGS
    ACCS
    Accugrade
    ACGS (American)
    ACGS (Australian)
    AGA
    AGI
    AGS (Advanced)
    AGS (American)
    ANAAB
    ANACS
    ANICS
    ANL
    ARC
    ASA
    BLANCHARD
    CCGC
    CCGS
    CCGS
    CCGS
    CCI
    CGA
    CGA
    CGC
    CGCGS
    COINLAND
    COMPUGRADE
    CRC
    CSA
    CSGS
    CTGS
    DCGS (Digital)
    DCGS (Distinctive)
    EAC
    FCS
    FSC
    FSG
    FTGS
    GCS
    GEM
    GLGS
    GSA
    HALLMARK
    HOLT
    ICCS
    ICG
    ICGS
    ICI
    ICS
    IGA
    IGS
    INC
    INGS
    INL
    INS
    IRI
    JNDA
    LCG
    MCCS
    MCGC
    MEGS
    MM
    MonExpert
    MTB
    NCCA
    NCG
    NCG
    NCI
    NCS
    NECA
    NES
    NFC
    NGC
    NGCS
    NGS
    NGS
    NIC
    NLG
    NNC
    NNCS
    NSCGS
    NTC
    Numex
    NWCG
    Paramount
    PCC
    PCG
    PCGA
    PCGA
    PCGS
    PCI
    PCS
    PGS
    Photo Seal
    PNG
    PNGL
    PPGS
    RCGS
    RMGS
    S&G
    SAGCE
    SDGS
    SEGS
    SGS
    Silvertowne
    TCGS
    TCTS
    TMM
    TruGrade
    Tulving
    Unknown
    USGCO
    USGCS
    USGS
    USNS
    USRCCT
    USTI
    VSS
    WCCS
    WCG
    WCGS
    Webcoinage
    WMP
    WWCG

    125 companies 3/3/05 >>



    Wow! How much is the second book going to cost?
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    I don't know yet, but I'm afraid it will be more than the first edition. The number of images increases the costs. The first edition had around 600 pictures, the second will probably have close to 1000.
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    DorkGirlDorkGirl Posts: 9,994 ✭✭✭
    Here's a new one I don't see on your list....BCS

    Another Coin World holder, maybe you should just lump all these together.image
    Becky
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    FatManFatMan Posts: 8,977
    Hard to believe. No wonder this hobby is so screwed up. Newcomers don't have a chance against the massive scamming that goes on.

    Conder101....how many are still actively slabbing?
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    WeissWeiss Posts: 9,942 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Hey Conder,

    Do you have a criteria for deciding on legitimacy, for lack of a better word before you'll include a slab in the mix? How do you (or do you) weed out the people who use the coinworld slabs or slabs like those?
    We are like children who look at print and see a serpent in the last letter but one, and a sword in the last.
    --Severian the Lame
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    << <i>Another Coin World holder, maybe you should just lump all these together >>


    The problem is some of them are "legitimate" (Though pssible fly-by-night) services, some are just dealers inventory, and some are service wannabes that just don't make the cut. The problem is trying to determine which group a given one belongs in. Services get listed, inventory doesn't, wannabes go under miscellaneous. (I try to list as many as possible because some day x number of years from now someone will come up with one of these things and want to know about it and where it came from.) I can list the wannabes all together but I don't want to do that with "legitimite" services if I can avoid it.



    << <i>....how many are still actively slabbing? >>


    Good question. Here is the list again and I've put a * next to the ones that I am fairly sure are still operating.

    A-Mark
    *ACC
    *ACCGS
    *ACCS
    *Accugrade
    ACGS (American)
    *ACGS (Australian)
    AGA
    AGI
    AGS (Advanced)
    *(?)AGS (American)
    ANAAB
    *ANACS
    ANICS
    ANL
    ARC
    ASA
    BLANCHARD
    CCGC
    CCGS
    *CCGS (Canadian Currency Grading Service)
    *(?)CCGS (Capital Coin Grading Service)
    CCI
    *CGA
    *(?)CGA
    *CGC
    CGCGS
    COINLAND
    COMPUGRADE
    CRC
    CSA
    CSGS
    *(?)CTGS
    *(?)DCGS (Digital)
    DCGS (Distinctive)
    EAC
    FCS
    *FSC
    FSG
    FTGS
    *GCS
    GEM
    GLGS
    GSA
    HALLMARK
    HOLT
    *ICCS
    *ICG
    ICGS
    ICI
    ICS
    IGA
    IGS
    INC
    INGS
    INL
    INS
    IRI
    *JNDA
    LCG
    *MCCS
    MCGC
    MEGS
    *MM
    *(?)MonExpert
    MTB
    NCCA
    NCG
    NCG
    NCI
    *NCS
    NECA
    NES
    *NFC
    *NGC
    NGCS
    *NGS (May have changed name)
    NGS
    NIC
    NLG
    *NNC
    NNCS
    NSCGS
    *NTC
    Numex
    NWCG
    Paramount
    *PCC
    *PCG
    *(?)PCGA
    *PCGA
    *PCGS Professional Coin Grading Service
    *PCGS Professional Currency Grading Service
    *PCI
    PCS
    *PGS
    *Photo Seal
    PNG
    PNGL
    PPGS
    *RCGS
    RMGS
    S&G
    SAGCE
    *(?)SDGS
    *SEGS
    *SGS
    Silvertowne
    TCGS
    TCTS
    *(?)TMM
    *TruGrade
    Tulving
    Unknown
    USGCO
    USGCS
    USGS
    USNS
    USRCCT
    USTI
    *VSS
    WCCS
    *(?)WCG
    WCGS
    Webcoinage
    WMP
    WWCG

    That's 35 still in operation plus 10 more that are questionable. Or a total of possibly 45 companies still operating



    << <i>Do you have a criteria for deciding on legitimacy, >>


    The coin must be in either a sealed holder or in the case of certificates with a photo so that it can be determined that the coin and the certificate definitely go together. Preferably with a serial number and barcode. And they must accept outside submissions, grading and slabbing them in exchange for a fee.

    There are a few on the list, such as GSA or Paramount where that last requirement is not met. But in general it they only slab their own coins they do not get listed as a service but instead get listed under Miscellaneous. (As much as we dislike them, firms like ACC and SGS do accept outside submissions and are therefor listed as legitimate services.
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    cladkingcladking Posts: 29,946 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Thanks again Conder101.

    It's remarkable that there are so many slabbers and so few that have wide market acceptance.
    tempus fugit extra philosophiam.

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