Cleaned coin in PCGS Holder...
OffMetal
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I purchased this coin at a show about 2-1/2 years ago and found out for sure that it was cleaned (thanks to the experts here 
). Couldn't PCGS have caught that this was improperly cleaned? Did it develope this horrible yellow- light brass color in the holder? Dosen't PCGS have a gurantee that would compensate me for the loss?
It angers me that the dealer who sold it to me didn't tell me it was cleaned (but I was a very stupid YN who trusted PCGS then).
Here are some photos. The color is a tat darker on the last two:
Thanks for your help.
Ben
). Couldn't PCGS have caught that this was improperly cleaned? Did it develope this horrible yellow- light brass color in the holder? Dosen't PCGS have a gurantee that would compensate me for the loss?It angers me that the dealer who sold it to me didn't tell me it was cleaned (but I was a very stupid YN who trusted PCGS then).
Here are some photos. The color is a tat darker on the last two:
Thanks for your help.
Ben
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Tom
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<< <i>Yes, PCGS will guarantee the coin. If you do feel it has been cleaned and does not warrant it being in a PCGS PR-63 holder, send it in to PCGS. If PCGS agrees that it is not a true PCGS PR-63. they will make it right with you. You also might want to ask another dealer or compentent coin collector on their opinion too. >>
I've showed the coin to a couple dealers and they say it was cleaned, along with numerous board members.
<< <i>Do you know that the dealer you bought it from was the one who got it slabbed? >>
No, I do not think that he got it slabbed himself.
Thanks
Ben
FrederickCoinClub
The PCGS grade guarantee exists for the same reason there are erasers on pencils.
Fortunately, unlike most other services, they will take care of it (as would NGC)
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Did coin look like this when you buy it? If so you must have some motivation other than esthetics. Did you buy the coin cheap sight unseen? If you did welcome to Blue Sheet pricing. There is a reason why Blue Sheet prices are lower than Gray Sheet prices.
I’ll agree with you that it’s a disappointing coin, but from a technical grade it probably rates the PR-63. As such I don’t think that PCGS will feel than an adjustment is in order.
Coulda been bad storage and it looked that way before it was slabbed.
I don't actually see "cleaned" from your picts.
Neither the selling dealer (who might not have dipped it himself) nor PCGS (who probably had insufficient reason to refuse to grade the coin) need to be blamed.
Send it to PCGS under their guarantee and ask thet they take the coin off your hands at a fair price.
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How, because people on this site saw scans of it?
Billy
1. The coin may not have been cleaned but may have been dipped.
2. Even though other dealers and some members of this board have concluded that the coin has been cleaned (viewed the coin in person, no doubt), let's assume that it's been dipped (and not in addition to a cleaning) because the picture leads me to conclude that they are wrong.
3. From that, PCGS doesn't owe you anything.
Duh...
<< <i>I don't understand this logic contained in some of the posts in this thread:
The coin may not have been cleaned but may have been dipped.
2. Even though other dealers and some members of this board have concluded that the coin has been cleaned (viewed the coin in person, no doubt), let's assume that it's been dipped (and not in addition to a cleaning) because the picture leads me to conclude that they are wrong.
3. From that, PCGS doesn't owe you anything.
Duh... >>
You seem to know the difference between the two from your own post. Anyway, it is generally understood to be abrasive (a "cleaning" that is). I did not see where board members actually said they saw it in hand. Perhaps I missed it.
Billy
No doubt that the dealers saw the coin in hand. I could careless about the board members.
Thanks for the help, I appreciate it.
Ben
TorinoCobra71
<< <i>"I've showed the coin to a couple dealers and they say it was cleaned, along with numerous board members."
No doubt that the dealers saw the coin in hand. I could careless about the board members. >>
In this context dealers could be saying anything for any reason - including trying to buy the coin. I would be more inclined to trust any of several respected Board Members opinions over the dealers.
Billy
<< <i>I don't understand this logic contained in some of the posts in this thread:
The coin may not have been cleaned but may have been dipped
>>
Some people use the words "cleaned" and "dipped" interchangeably. However, while dipping is a form of cleaning, it does not affect a coin in the same way. To many, dipping is much more acceptable (or, if you prefer, less unacceptable) than cleaning is.
In the world of coin grading (or no-grades) "cleaned" has a different connotation than "dipped", because the grading companies will "no-grade" coins which have been too harshly cleaned and state "cleaning" as the reason for the no-grade.
Like it or not, the major grading companies holder huge numbers of "dipped" coins, as well as some coins which have been cleaned (as opposed to dipped).
The coins which have been "cleaned" are usually penalized for such in the form of lower grades than they would have otherwise received.
Dipped coins, on the other hand, don't necessarily receive grading penalties. That is because dipped coins, as opposed to those which have been harshly cleaned, often look better (rather than worse) afterwards.