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My newest purchase 1860 Seated Dollar MS64

partagaspartagas Posts: 2,056 ✭✭✭
1860 Seated Liberty in old green 64 holder. Very prooflike, wish I was a better photographer.

try again ughh

obverse obv 1860

now the reverse

rev 1860
If I say something in the woods, and my wife isn't around. Am I still wrong?

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  • partagaspartagas Posts: 2,056 ✭✭✭
    If I say something in the woods, and my wife isn't around. Am I still wrong?
  • mgoodm3mgoodm3 Posts: 17,497 ✭✭✭
    They're huge. Might want to resize them them down to a usable size.
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  • partagaspartagas Posts: 2,056 ✭✭✭
    Thanks for the tip, I got it now.
    If I say something in the woods, and my wife isn't around. Am I still wrong?
  • mgoodm3mgoodm3 Posts: 17,497 ✭✭✭
    Pretty coin.
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  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,199 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Extremely nice reverse for a no motto dollar!
  • morgannut2morgannut2 Posts: 4,293
    What the heck does it take to get a 65 out of PCGS??? Surprising the coin hasn't visited NCS for a little toning touch up and a 65 upgrade!!image
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  • partagaspartagas Posts: 2,056 ✭✭✭
    I just bought the coin from a long time friend and dealer. The coin came from a old collector/client of his. Sold his entire collection of coins.

    I have thought about the upgrade, as I did pay pq dollars for it. But it will just sit in my collection anyway.

    But as far as sending it to NCS, I don't think so. The reason I liked it so much was because it wasn't messed with.

    As far as marks on the coin. There is hit on the cheek of liberty. Lengthwise from the nose to the chin. Has a couple tiny tics in the obverse left field.

    The reverse has one hit only thats abouve the eagles beak. Coin is so prooflike, I would swear its a proof. Added photos showing proofness qualityobv

    Thanks for all the complements
    rev
    If I say something in the woods, and my wife isn't around. Am I still wrong?
  • anoldgoatanoldgoat Posts: 1,493 ✭✭✭
    Thanks for all the complements

    Thanks for the pics, nice.
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  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,199 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That's an extremely nice looking coin by the pics. One possibility for the lack of a gem grade is the slight discoloration on Liberty's thigh. Another could be hairlines, which won't show in the pics.... but it's certainly devoid of bagmarks enough for gem!
  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,816 ✭✭✭✭✭
    very attractive coin...

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  • Great coin! I don't think it is proof, there are many PL seated coins. The discoloration on the leg drew my eye also. I think this is a marvelous coin and I would never send it to NCS. It is a 64+ in my book.
  • etexmikeetexmike Posts: 6,852 ✭✭✭
    A great coin just as it sits.

    Congrats.image

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  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,199 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If you send it to NCS, it will become just another washed out white widget with no character whatsoever. Please don't!
  • elwoodelwood Posts: 2,414
    it's in a green holder, might upgrade as isimage
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  • clw54clw54 Posts: 3,815 ✭✭✭
    64, 65, it's still the same coin.
  • topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Get it to NGC. I screwed myself on one of mine. Sold PCGS ...green.... 64 which is NOW in an NGC 66 holder. Also prooflike and very minor flaws.

    Biggest coin mistake I ever made.

    Try it.

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  • NumisOxideNumisOxide Posts: 10,998 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That's a beauty. Looks 65.
  • itsnotjustmeitsnotjustme Posts: 8,779 ✭✭✭
    Super coin... has a PL look as you said.
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  • elwoodelwood Posts: 2,414


    << <i>64, 65, it's still the same coin. >>


    Yes, it's still the same coin but one is worth $5K and the other is worth $11Kimage
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  • partagaspartagas Posts: 2,056 ✭✭✭
    Thank you all for you kind comments, and critiques. I am glad many see the pq appearance that I thought was there as well.
    If I say something in the woods, and my wife isn't around. Am I still wrong?
  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,199 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yes, it's still the same coin but one is worth $5K and the other is worth $11K

    Those numbers are soooo out of date. I'd pay $40,000 for a nice looking PCGS MS65. A decent NGC MS65 would sell for at least $20,000.

    As a PQ MS64, your coin is worth at least $8,000.
  • mdwoodsmdwoods Posts: 5,559 ✭✭✭
    Very nice coin. Especially the reverse.
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  • orevilleoreville Posts: 12,138 ✭✭✭✭✭
    You coin looks 63/64 obverse and 65/66 reverse.

    I like it in the 64 holder. Keep it where it is. The obverse still counts for more than 50% of the grade.

    When you are ready to sell those green insert holders will not so subtly add to the siginificance of the quality of the coin!

    Once you cross that coin, you lose the allure of the green insert which is a growing allure.

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  • elwoodelwood Posts: 2,414


    << <i>Those numbers are soooo out of date. I'd pay $40,000 for a nice looking PCGS MS65. >>


    My mistakeimage I looked at Proof prices not MS pricing. Although I was just using the numbers to make a point.
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  • VetVet Posts: 1,513
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    I love it
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  • ElcontadorElcontador Posts: 7,680 ✭✭✭✭✭
    You have an exceptionally clean no motto Seated $. Typically the open field above the eagle looks like the shark in Jaws bit it at least once. I have a 59 O in PC 3 and the contact marks in that area are why it is in a 3 holder.

    The only thing I see on the reverse is what appears to be a lint mark below the olive branch above the E in ONE. Agree w TDN re the pricing, and yes, as Oreville wrote, people are paying premiums for scarce coins in older PC holders.

    I assume the darker area on Miss Liberty's leg is a toning spot. PCGS is very tough on Seated $s. You're going to have a very hard time trying to get an upgrade here. I've actually seen some stunning Seated $s in person that PCGS would not put into 5 holders. Keep in mind that if you try an upgrade, the coin will come out of its present (old) holder; you have some risk of loss by sending it in for an upgrade at PCGS (ie, your coin is worth less in a new holder if it comes back in the same grade).
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  • partagaspartagas Posts: 2,056 ✭✭✭
    As far as cracking this out, not going to happen. I have been searching for Seated dollar like this for sometime. All I have found in MS is washed out white or coins that had unattractive toning. This lady isn't leaving my hands for a long time, or this holder.

    "Lint Mark" What you see on the reverse below the eagle is a scratch on the holder. The reverse is a solid 65 in my opinion. Albeit, I am by far no expert at grading. Has two horizontal tics above the beak. These aren't readily noticeable with the naked eye. They can be seen when you angle the coin.

    The obverse is a 64 maybe a 65 with todays standards. Has three tiny tics on the eagles left side in the field. The only noticeable hits on the obverse are unfortunatly on the cheek ( scarface) a hit that runs from the nose to the chin lengthwise. Hard to see until angled but its there. Then on the date 0 has two contact marks. (bottom left and middle right)

    I call it a pq 64 because the reverse is stellar and eye appeal "very prooflike surface".
    If I say something in the woods, and my wife isn't around. Am I still wrong?

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