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How many coins have you purchased slabbed, only to have them "turn" in the holder later?

MyqqyMyqqy Posts: 9,777 ✭
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Part of my collecting interest is in cameo proof franklins. I have around 30 or so slabbed cameo franklins right now, and about 4 of them in newer pcgs holders have subsequently (6-12 months later) developed really unattractive milkspots. I haven't had this happen with any other holder, so my guess is that a lot of folks have been making the franklins "blast white" right before sending them in for grading. How many coins and what types have you bought slabbed that later turned somehow- spots, haze, splotchiness, etc.?
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  • mgoodm3mgoodm3 Posts: 17,497 ✭✭✭
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  • MercMerc Posts: 1,649 ✭✭
    I had a 1912 MS65 PCGS Barber dime turn on me. It developed a large tan fingerprint over the entire front. It wasn't there when I first got it, but after a month it was there faintly. After 18 months, it was easy to see.
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  • vega1vega1 Posts: 941 ✭
    I have had a couple do that. A PCGS Washington quarter, A PCGS Franklin, and an ANACS Proof Kennedy. image I also have a couple others that I could swear are turning, but whenever I turn to look at them they just act natural. I'll catch them one of these days.
  • topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭
    One I sent to NCS --> NGC.

    A PCGS red large cent WAS turning.

    Don't like red copper. Shellac is all I'd trust on them.

  • GarneteyeGarneteye Posts: 1,168
    Had a 43 cent develope severe spotting, PCGS came thru!
    The glass is half full!
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  • XpipedreamRXpipedreamR Posts: 8,059 ✭✭
    I had a blazing 44D MS67 quarter turn on me.



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  • ziggy29ziggy29 Posts: 18,668 ✭✭✭
    I have a 1923 Peace Dollar, NGC 65, that has a bunch of milky white crap in splotches on the obverse that I don't recall being there when I bought it a few years ago.
  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
    It is all too common for proof coins that were pristine when submitted to later develop milk spots in the holder. It happened to me several times with coins I submitted early on. Since I started dipping every proof prior to submission, it has never happened again.

    Russ, NCNE
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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 35,759 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Zero for coins that I "made."

    As for coins that I bought in the holder, probably four or five, all of them sliver. imageimage

    Dippy-ee-de-du-da! That's why we have these problems. image
    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Dippy-ee-de-du-da! That's why we have these problems. >>



    The vast majority of milk spots that emerge on 1950 to 1964 proof coins are because they weren't dipped to stabilize the surfaces and remove contaminants that can later materialize as milk spots. NONE that I've dipped have ever developed spots. Too many that I didn't dip did develop spots.

    Brown or gold spotting is another matter - that usually indicates an improperly neutralized dip attempt.

    Russ, NCNE
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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 35,759 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Brown or gold spotting is another matter - that usually indicates an improperly neutralized dip attempt. >>



    Yep, that's Dippy-ee-de-du-da! , and all of us have been caught by it one time or another. image

    BTY - Gold toning sells; with brown toning you get the shaft. image
    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
  • DennisHDennisH Posts: 14,040 ✭✭✭✭✭
    None.
    When in doubt, don't.
  • MyqqyMyqqy Posts: 9,777 ✭
    Personally, this is another benefit to finding older holders- problems would have already manifested. And you can already see what type of toning the holder may cause.....
    My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable !
  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 35,759 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yep, love those old holders where you have a reasonable idea that the coin is stable. image
    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
  • MrHalfDimeMrHalfDime Posts: 3,440 ✭✭✭✭
    I can honestly say that I have not had even one coin "turn" on me in the slab after purchase. I have found the perfect solution. I crack each and every one of them out shortly after purchase. Works like a charm.
    They that can give up essential Liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither Liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin
  • majorbigtimemajorbigtime Posts: 2,937 ✭


    << <i>Since I started dipping every proof prior to submission, it has never happened again.

    >>



    So you're the Big Dipper??

    Doesn't dipping ruin a proof surface on modern stuff?
  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
    I see the clueless quotient in this thread has just multiplied exponentially.

    Russ, NCNE
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  • ERER Posts: 7,345 ✭


    << <i>I see the clueless quotient in this thread has just multiplied exponentially.

    Russ, NCNE >>

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  • MyqqyMyqqy Posts: 9,777 ✭
    So you're the Big Dipper??

    I see the clueless quotient in this thread has just multiplied exponentially.

    OK- maybe now this thread will get a little more interesting...... image
    My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable !
  • lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 45,020 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>How many coins have you purchased slabbed, only to have them "turn" in the holder later? >>



    Only one or two over the years. Proofs, as I recall.

    Collector since 1976. On the CU forums here since 2001.

  • morganbarbermorganbarber Posts: 1,821 ✭✭✭
    A board member once set me a "giveaway" coin that was a Sac in PCGS (I think) 66, which was starting to turn. I am very thankful to that board member, and do not fault PCGS, but the thing is downright hideous now, and I curse the mint for introducing such a lousy coin.
    I collect circulated U.S. silver
  • michaelmichael Posts: 9,524 ✭✭✭
    zero
  • dimplesdimples Posts: 1,286 ✭✭✭
    nada
  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,615 ✭✭✭✭✭
    One that started to develop the "dreaded fingerprint" after I had it for awhile!!
    theknowitalltroll;
  • MyqqyMyqqy Posts: 9,777 ✭
    One that started to develop the "dreaded fingerprint" after I had it for awhile!!

    I was wondering about cases like that where a fingerprint reincarnates itself on your coin. I would guess that would be a case of a coin being dipped, then slabbed- but the dip didn't remove the fundamental imprint on the coin, and the print returns later? image
    My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable !
  • jcpingjcping Posts: 2,649 ✭✭✭
    A few of them. Most of them are in ANACS holders. The worst one is 1909-D barber dime (a better date) ANACS MS60. The coin has been dipped to white before it was slabbled (not by me). I bought it raw with the understanding the coin has been dipped. I sent it to ANACS to slab in 1992. About 4 years later, it started to turn into brown color and ends with dark black. The other one is 1898-O Morgan dollar. It was blast white and stayed in an ANACS holder for 13 years, its peripheral truned to pink color. I crossed it over to PCGS MS66. I don't want to see the coin turns black in the near future.
    an SLQ and Ike dollars lover
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,501 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>One that started to develop the "dreaded fingerprint" after I had it for awhile!!

    I was wondering about cases like that where a fingerprint reincarnates itself on your coin. I would guess that would be a case of a coin being dipped, then slabbed- but the dip didn't remove the fundamental imprint on the coin, and the print returns later? image >>



    More likely it was dipped and then fingerprinted afterwards. In the past there was a problem with coins coming back from PCGS with fingerprints that weren't there when the coins were submitted. Numerous threads were generated on this board complaining about this problem. I haven't seen any for a while so they must have fixed the problem.



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