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Any good reasons to have a famous pedigree removed??

LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,660 ✭✭✭✭✭
Just had the Eliasberg pedigree put back on a PCGS coin I bought. Can't figure out why the original pedigree was missing.

Any good reasons to have a famous pedigree removed?? (Not referring to pseudo-famous registry pedigrees - those SHOULD be removed!! imageimage).
"My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose, Cardinal.

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    markglickermarkglicker Posts: 1,486
    Not sure why anyone would remove an Eliasberg pedigree, either. What is the process to have it reissued?
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    RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
    I hear that Norweb is an automatic removal.

    Russ, NCNE
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    RYKRYK Posts: 35,800 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Any good reasons to have a famous pedigree removed??

    I have asked this before, and the best answer I have heard is that someone selling the coin might not want a buyer to know what it previously graded (probably lower) and what was the price paid in the auction (also probably lower).
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    coinguy1coinguy1 Posts: 13,484 ✭✭✭
    In my experience, the most common reason I have seen pedigrees removed, has been where someone has gotten an upgrade and doesn't want a subsequent purchaser of the coin to be aware of it.image

    I think it's a sad and a shame, but it happens quite often.
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    RYKRYK Posts: 35,800 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I hear that Norweb is an automatic removal.

    Not at NGC:

    image
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    RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
    I think there's an echo in here.

    Russ, NCNE
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    RKKayRKKay Posts: 3,017 ✭✭✭
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    LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,660 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Thanks - must have missed the earlier threads......image Makes sense, I guess, althought the grade wasn't really in issue with this coin.

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    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose, Cardinal.
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    BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,790 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I think there's an echo in here.

    Russ, NCNE >>



    I think that it was just Coinguy1 forgetting he was logged in as RYK...you know how hard it is to manage Alt-IDs, right MadMarty....errrrr.....Russ? image

    I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment

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    dorkkarldorkkarl Posts: 12,691 ✭✭✭
    some pedigrees have a negative connotation. for example, do you really want your slabs to have the "wannabe a legend" pedigree???

    but seriously, i've cracked coins out of "name" pedigreed slabs w/o hesitation.

    K S
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    RYKRYK Posts: 35,800 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think that it was just Coinguy1 forgetting he was logged in as RYK...you know how hard it is to manage Alt-IDs...

    No one would ever confuse me with an ex-professional grader. image
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    ERER Posts: 7,345


    << <i>I hear that Norweb is an automatic removal.

    Russ, NCNE >>

    heh heh heh. Ask James or Dennis.image
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    LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,660 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Russ is MadMarty??image
    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose, Cardinal.
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    KurtHornKurtHorn Posts: 1,382
    Good example of one you'd want to remove: "Omaha Bank Hoard"
    "Don't bother just to be better than your contemporaries or predecessors. Try to be better than yourself." - William Faulkner
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    ziggy29ziggy29 Posts: 18,669 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Who's Eliasberg? >>

    The guy who used to own this coin (oh, and a few others):

    image

    A crackout artist might want to lose the pedigree (and the slab) if they thought it could go 64 submitted raw, for example.
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    ziggy29ziggy29 Posts: 18,669 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Good example of one you'd want to remove: "Omaha Bank Hoard" >>

    "The Savannah Scammer Collection" image
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    BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,790 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Russ is MadMarty??image >>



    Who has ever seen them both in the same place at the same time?????

    I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment

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    michaelmichael Posts: 9,524 ✭✭✭

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    In my experience, the most common reason I have seen pedigrees removed, has been where someone has gotten an upgrade and doesn't want a subsequent purchaser of the coin to be aware of it.

    I think it's a sad and a shame, but it happens quite often.

    image
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    tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,604 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Lake: depends. If that coin is in a 64 holder and the grade in the catalog is 45, then yeah... probably makes sense.

    Who has ever seen them both in the same place at the same time?????

    More importantly, who would want to see them in the same place at the same time! imageimage
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    LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,660 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Good point, TDN. I think it was 64 or 65 - will check again tonight. Getting too old to remember.

    Bowers was a bit generous grading the small cent patterns in the catalog - currently P64, weakly struck since it's a 25% nickle die trial.
    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose, Cardinal.
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    nwcsnwcs Posts: 13,386 ✭✭✭
    To put my name on it. image
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    SethChandlerSethChandler Posts: 1,721 ✭✭✭✭
    A PCGS MS65 Eliasberg widet is worth 10k, cracked out, then NCSed, then to NGC where it gets a grade of MS67 worth 25k(w/o pedigree). LOTS of people would remove a pedigree for that.
    Collecting since 1976.
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    roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,371 ✭✭✭✭✭
    A number of Eliasberg and Pittman coins for example received stupidly high grades. Some of those dullards are still searching for homes. And in order to sell them one would naturally want to get as far as way from the Pedigrees as possible as everyone knows the coin already.

    roadrunner
    Barbarous Relic No More, LSCC -GoldSeek--shadow stats--SafeHaven--321gold
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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,509 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This turned out to be a very educational and interesting thread.

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
    "Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
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    MadMartyMadMarty Posts: 16,697 ✭✭✭
    When I die, no one would even think think of having this pedigree removed!!!

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    It is not exactly cheating, I prefer to consider it creative problem solving!!!

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