Is there any chance that this Morgan is MS ?

wjd283 · April 25, 2005 3:00PM

No breast feathers.

Sphinx357 · April 25, 2005 3:02PM

ER · April 25, 2005 3:07PM

Not a chance, even for an O mint.

GAT · April 25, 2005 3:17PM

IGA, who are they and were they really around in the 80s? Conder might know something about them but I have never heard of the service.

As far as no breast feathers goes, I recently sold a PCGS MS64 1890-O Morgan that didn't have one feather. Otherwise the coin was a strong MS65.

Elcontador · April 25, 2005 3:26PM

Could not blow up the reverse image. This coin might be an AU on a good day. The hair over the ear is totally worn. Compared to other series, Morgans are not hard to grade. This coin is nasty.

wam98 · April 25, 2005 7:14PM

Here's a 1904 O in NGC MS-65, not that I agree with the grade. I think the holder and photo certificate are interesting though.

Rampage · April 25, 2005 10:28PM

Coinhusker1 · April 25, 2005 10:36PM

The 04-Os typically have horrid strikes (the worst of all Morgans from what I have seen) so that coin may very well grade MS. There are ones out there that have good strikes (with breast feathers) and you usually can pick them up for no or a very small price premium. Well struck 04-Os are not easy to find, though.

I think those are worth looking for, instead of settling for a poor strike, even if it is MS-65.

Coinhusker1 · April 25, 2005 10:41PM

BTW, wam98's coin is well struck for an 04-O, a nice find!

I would look for one at least as well struck as that or better. Happy Hunting!

Gonfunko · April 25, 2005 11:04PM

No way is that coin uncirculated, regardless of what the certificate says. It sure isn't "MS-64/65 Or Better" like the certificate says.

Wolf359 · April 25, 2005 11:10PM

The hair over the ear is totally worn

It's a weak strike, making it look worn. Yes, I think it's uncirculated, but 63 at best. You have to remember that strike characteristics are
different for 1901-1904 Morgans. Breast feathers just aren't part of the equation.

coinguy1 · April 26, 2005 12:12AM

I believe there's a very good chance that coin could be uncirculated (MS62 or 63 perhaps). While it is certainly weakly struck, I see no obvious wear from the images provided.

XpipedreamR · April 26, 2005 12:25AM

I agree with coinguy1 (Like I would actually disagree

) But I thought that before seeing his reply, too. It looks to be a crummy strike, and the luster seems to be that of an UNC coin.

K6AZ · April 26, 2005 12:30AM

The coin is a slider, AU58. On these coins, you can not go by the hair over the ear or on the eagle's breast. I see several circulation marks on the obverse, and rubs on the reverse.

K6AZ · April 26, 2005 12:40AM

JeffinMich · April 26, 2005 12:43AM

Maybe the coin that was originally in that "holder" was 64/65, but that one sure isn't. If you look closely at the pictures, you can see the coin sticking part way out of the flip, and it probably slides right out....what are the chances it's the original coin still in there? I would think it's next to 0.

ziggy29 · April 26, 2005 12:50AM

Could be MS; this date is often weakly struck even by the standards of O-mint Morgans (and that's saying something). I wouldn't grade it any higher than 63 because of the strike, even if it is MS.

Personally, it looks high AU to me, but that could change if I had the coin in hand, viewed it under the light and observed the luster.

Shamika · April 26, 2005 12:55AM

Why even risk it?

coinguy1 · April 26, 2005 1:29AM

Here's an obverse image of a poorly struck PCGS MS62 example:

RotatedRainbows · April 26, 2005 2:40AM

Isn't IGA a grocery store chain?? I sure hope walmart does not get onto grading coins.

wjd283 · April 26, 2005 5:35AM

<< <i>Isn't IGA a grocery store chain?? I sure hope walmart does not get onto grading coins. >>

I was'nt thinking of buying it.I have already got an 04 O "MS 63" that looks very much like it,and upon examining it I concluded it was AU. Just wanted smoe better opinions.Thanx much !

BillJones · April 26, 2005 5:52AM

Most 1904-O dollars don't have breast feathers. It's the way they were struck.

I run into pieces that are fully struck now and then, and I think that those coins should sell for a decent (maybe 25 ro 50% premium), but I guess I'm mostly alone in that opinion.

The coin shown here never had breast feathers, but it was Mint State at one time. It's not Mint State now so calling it MS-64/65 is a joke. By hey this grading service came within 9 or 10 points of getting it right, so let's cut them some slack ... NOT!!

wjd283 · April 26, 2005 5:57AM

<< <i>By hey this grading service came within 9 or 10 points of getting it right, >>

I can usually do that.

Is there any chance that this Morgan is MS ?

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