OFFICIAL 2005 TOPPS HERITAGE BOX BREAK THREAD

Basilone · February 15, 2005 6:38AM

Tuesday 4:28 pm EST.

Just returned home with 3 hobby boxes. $65 each (including tax..out the door).

A couple of notes first before I list the breaks:

1.) I thought there were going to be box toppers....guess not. I thought I read there were going to be pennants.

2.) There are no gray/white back variations...all the cards are gray backs

3.) You can definitely notice when you get a pack with a checklist (thicker card..dummy for a GU) or a Game Used card itself. Just keep that in mind if you are buying from boxes already opened. If you are going for SPs then it really doesn't matter as the probability is greater in those non-game used or checklist packs of landing a SP or regular Insert.

4.) The Team cards were always the last card in the pack.

5.) The SP, Chrome, GU, etc. were always the 2nd to last card in the pack.

crsportscards33 · February 15, 2005 6:47AM

Your killing me John-- what have you pulled??

Chris

Basilone · February 15, 2005 6:52AM

Basilone's Hobby Box Break #1

Clubhouse Collection (Tough. Overall Relics/Autos...1:36 packs)
#CCR-AR Alex Rodriguez Game Used Bat (probably the best pull except for Pujols)

Chrome Refractor Parallel (1:25 packs)
#THC-82 Nate Scheierholtz (#525/556)

Chrome Parallel (1:7 packs)
#THC-36 Hank Blalock (#389/1956)
#THC-52 Jeff Bagwell (#850/1956)

12 Short Prints (1:2 packs)
#61 Barry Bonds
#404 Alexis Rios
#427 Ty Wigginton
#450 Jose Valentin
#453 Alex Gonzalez
#456 Sean Marshall
#457 Erubiel Durazio
#462 Moises Alou
#469 Todd Walker
#472 Mark Kotsay
#473 Javier Vazquez
#474 Mike Cameron

3 Flashbacks Inserts (1:12 packs)
#F-HA Hank Aaron
#F-HS Herb Score
#F-LA Luis Aparcio

2 Then & Now Inserts (1:15 packs)
#TN2 Don Newcombe/Curt Shilling
#TN3 Robin Roberts/ Livan Heranandez

2 Checklist cards

Boxes #2 and #3 to follow shortly.

John

joestalin · February 15, 2005 6:54AM

Here is something until John posts his breaks:

Box 1:

TN 4,5
NAP 12
F HA,FR
Manny Jesey
Giambi,Kevin West, and L Gonzo Chrome
Maddux refractor
sp's included Pujols and Ichrio

Box 2:

TN 3
NAP 10,11
F EB,DL
Soriano, Matt Campbell, Sweeny, Tadano Chromes
Bonds Refractor!!!!!

So far no doubles in any of the boxes and the inserts!! This set is looking much easier than last year! Nice condition too.

Kevin

joestalin · February 15, 2005 7:01AM

WOW, i just put my set in order and out of two boxes there was only 1 double in the non-sp's!!!

Kevin

Basilone · February 15, 2005 7:33AM

Basilone's Hobby Box Break #2

NO GAME USED or AUTOS

Chrome Refractor Parallel (1:25 packs)
#THC-77 Luis Ramirez (#248/556)

Chrome Parallel (1:7 packs)
#THC-6 Todd Helton (#1547/1956)
#THC-28 Magglio Ordonez (#1509/1956)
#THC-70 Steven Doetsch (#1136/1956)

13 Short Prints (1:2 packs)
#7 Ichiro (Kneeling)
#61 Barry Bonds
#135 Alex Rodriguez (Fielding)
#403 Chaz Lytle
#413 Aramis Ramirez
#422 Jose Reyes
#430 Mark Grudzilanek
#433 Mike Matheny
#447 Eric Byrnes
#449 Ryan Webb
#455 Zack Greinke
#463 Michael Rodgers
#470 CC Sabathia

2 Flashbacks Inserts (1:12 packs)
#F-DS Duke Snider
#F-SM Stan Musial

2 Then & Now Insert (1:15 packs)
#TN1 Hank Aaron/Ichiro Suzuki
#TN10 Eddie Yost/Bobby Abreu

1 New Age Performers Insert (1:15 packs)
#NAP8 Sammy Sosa

3 Checklist cards

Box #3 to follow shortly.

Pharber · February 15, 2005 7:39AM

Couple of questions.

1. How does this year's break compare to last year's?

2. Folks on another board are upset they didn't get the felt pennants in their boxes. Probably because they figured they could sell them and help defray the cost of the box. Does that bother anyone?

3. Some folks are getting cards with different card stock. Light and dark backs, like they were in 1956. Is anybody finding that true?

Thanks

joestalin · February 15, 2005 7:42AM

1. Its too early to tell
2, Yes, very much, my box UPC's will be going back to topps for replacments
3. There has been in the past some shade difference but nothing planned by topps.

Kevin

Stone193 · February 15, 2005 7:46AM

Kevin
Do you sell on ebay?
That Bonds goes up now...my guess it will grab some nice coin!
What do you think?

I like the fact that the collation is good! The number of THC's to refractors seems similar to last year along with the inserts.

Is anyone leaving anything to open on a group rip? Now "kids" we were supposed to play fair.

Seriously, great stuff
will somebody pull an auto please?

your friend
Mike

joestalin · February 15, 2005 7:48AM

Its up right now, LMK what you think of the BIN, a regular chrome is already up over 6 bucks. I don't want to get greedy here just
make a bit of money back. I like very much the number of rookies in this product!

Please someone come and take these things out of my hands!!!!!!!!!!! LOL

Ill save a box if I have to bury it!

Kevin

Did I mention NO DOUBLES in two boxes!!!!!

Basilone · February 15, 2005 7:53AM

<< <i>3. Some folks are getting cards with different card stock. Light and dark backs, like they were in 1956. Is anybody finding that true? >>

That is not true. They are all gray. There is a distict difference in the original 1956 set. The backs where white and gray. You would be able to tell the difference.

Sucks about the pennents...where they one per case maybe?

Basilone · February 15, 2005 7:55AM

I think the bonds may sell BIN...Im thinking about buying it....

I can see it selling around $30. Maybe someone will bust BIN and it will go higher than $25.00.

Basilone · February 15, 2005 7:57AM

The breaks are pretty much the same. It comes down to getting lucky and getting boxes that have different SPs, base cards, etc.

I can forsee boxes getting the same runs of SPs in them.

Stone193 · February 15, 2005 7:57AM

<< <i>Sucks about the pennents...where they one per case maybe? >>

John
If they are case card type items, then they will command some nice coin on ebay IMO!
Keep it coming....I'm an unwilling observor till tomorrow I guess!

your friend
Mike

softparade · February 15, 2005 8:01AM

How is it that the Sp's are already known?

Pharber · February 15, 2005 8:06AM

Somebody from the Beckett board called Topps and gave them the SPs and the variations. It's posted somewhere on the beckett board

joestalin · February 15, 2005 8:08AM

Im sure the boys at beckett have already busted a few cases and have figured it out. Whats up with the real one autos pulling
one in every 13 boxes? OUCH..back in 2001 they pulled every 5th box....cmon topps help us out here!

Kevin

Basilone · February 15, 2005 8:21AM

Basilone's Hobby Box Break #3 Final Box for today

2 Clubhouse Collection (Overall Relics/Autos...1:36 packs)
#CCR-GS Gary Sheffield Game Used Bat
#CCR-MC Miguel Cabrera Game Used Bat

Chrome Refractor Parallel (1:25 packs)
NONE

3 Chrome Parallel (1:7 packs)
#THC-5 Barry Bonds (#668/1956)
#THC-8 Garrett Anderson (#741/1956)
#THC-54 Randy Johnson (Diamondbacks) (#1192/1956)

12 Short Prints (1:2 packs)
#31 Albert Pujols (Fielding) (not sure if an SP..have 2 that look the same..could be another variation)
#50 Jim Thome (Fielding)
#155 Eric Chavez (Fielding)
#200 Randy Johnson (Yankees) SP?
#353 Tim Hudson (On Mound)
#389 Curt Shilling
#411 Troy Percival
#437 Brad Lidge
#455 Zack Greinke
#465 Freddy Garcia
#472 Mark Kotsay
#474 Mike Cameron

1 Flashbacks Inserts (1:12 packs)
#F-EB Ernie Banks

2 Then & Now Inserts (1:15 packs)
#TN4 Bob Friend/Livan Hernandez (did Livan Hernandez really have to be on 2 of the 10 Then & Now cards???)
#TN6 Whitey Ford/Jake Peavy

3 Checklist cards

John

Basilone · February 15, 2005 8:22AM

One guy over on the Beckett boards...pulled just 2 Relics and ZERO Autos out of a case.

Ouch!

softparade · February 15, 2005 8:25AM

Wow, either someone is gonna pull many autos out of a case or Topps just printed the hell out of these?

Crusader765 · February 15, 2005 9:32AM

Ok, let's get down to it. What do you estimate has been your profit/loss per box for anyone who has opened some?

highend · February 15, 2005 10:03AM

6 boxes down

team topps podres auto
aaron & feller seat cards
m. ramirez jersey
pujols # 556 chrome
a few bonds
arod, beltran, thome, ordonez, pujols, ichiro. variations.
sp's jeter sosa etc.

doing a double check now.

no pennants, no black chrome

variations on rear stock, lighter and darker?

Basilone · February 15, 2005 10:14AM

Highend-

Hopefully you pull a "real one" auto out of the last 2 boxes.

GU seems to be all over the place. One guy got 2 in a case. I got 2 in one box!

joestalin · February 15, 2005 10:24AM

I thought there were supposed to be just two guys in the team topps set? I think I have seen three now...WTF??

JS

Basilone · February 15, 2005 10:33AM

JoeStalin-

There are 6 Team Topps Autos:

Group A: Nolan Ryan
Group B: Davey Johnson
Group C: Carl Erskine
Group

Boog Powell
Group E: Steve Garvey
Group F: Johnny Podres

Basilone · February 15, 2005 10:37AM

Good Luck on the real one autos:

Regular Real One Autos (200 of each): 1 in 13.84 boxes
Hand numbered Real One Autos (#/56) 1 in 55.54 boxes

crsportscards33 · February 15, 2005 10:38AM

John, where did those numbers come from? Thanks.

Chris

Basilone · February 15, 2005 10:39AM

The back of the pack.

The Group Auto listing is from the bottom of the box.

Cut Sigs are 1: 92,490 packs or roughly 1:3854 boxes

mudflap02 · February 15, 2005 10:42AM

I have a good feeling I'll pull a Ryan auto.

Anybody know when retail is due to hit shelves?

Allen · February 15, 2005 11:20AM

Cut Sigs are 1: 92,490 packs or roughly 1:3854 boxes

Holy Heritage Batman that is crazy! I bet the reseals will be getting big money on ebay lol.

Stone193 · February 15, 2005 11:25AM

As I said before, I'm disappointed in the autos, hell I never pull anything good anyway...but this is still a great set and the cards are fantastic!

I will probably get my boxes tomorrow - the collating and judging of the cards for my set is what gets me excited.

And I know, once we get over the initial shock, it's back to the business of Heritage!

I will put a letter together after everyone has their set in binders - and just wait till you see how it looks in a Roop!!!

Good luck for those still opening and to those waiting like me...see ya tomorrow!

Go Topps!!!

your friend
Mike

highend · February 15, 2005 12:40PM

overall, i'm pretty happy with what i have broken so far. i'm not a big fan of the 56 set but i have to say these cards are awesome. the auto was a disappointing, but since i love the grandstand glory/seat cards so much i'm very happy with the aaron and feller.
i'm still perplexed about the gray /white back issue. i pulled a johan santana identical fronts one back dark grey one much lighter.

crsportscards33 · February 15, 2005 12:47PM

Where can I find an extensive checklist?? Are they out yet? I looked on Beckett but got lost on that damn site!! A link would be great. Thanks.

Chris

joestalin · February 15, 2005 1:11PM

highend...can we get a scan of the two cards right next to each other?

Thanks
Kevin

Basilone · February 15, 2005 1:35PM

Highend-

Is this your auction: 25 Chrome Lot

Also...are you sure Bonds card #61 is an SP...cause both that I have have the same uniform as yours.

1967topps · February 15, 2005 2:14PM

So far have opened a dozen packs and the gum is pretty good. Using the rule that I'll
only keep a piece of gum in my mouth as long as it takes to go thru the pack and put each
card in a pennysleeve ...or better. Or maybe I should save some of the gum and sell it
to boyerendeavors to include in some of his packs.

One Flashback: Bob Feller

Basilone · February 15, 2005 2:36PM

Out of 3 boxes I pulled a total of 6 cards with a "light" back. They all came out of the same pack. I'm thinking it is just a mechanical error due to the fact they came out of only 1 out of the 72 packs I busted.

They are:

#244 Chris Carpenter
#274 Brandon Webb
#319 Ryan Freel
#358 Joe Nathan
#362 Francisco Rodriguez
#387 Bill Hall

highend · February 15, 2005 2:43PM

john- as i'm sorting i have at least a hundred white backs.

Stone193 · February 15, 2005 3:23PM

<< <i>john- as i'm sorting i have at least a hundred white backs. >>

Highend
Have you found white and gray backs for the same player?

your friend
Mike

highend · February 15, 2005 3:35PM

mike- so far johan santana for sure. i also just pulled the cap variation as well.
i just ripped another box yielded a boog powell team topps auto, larsen seat card and a bonds chrome #556. unless the black chrome and topps real one auto are in my last box i struck out in that regard. i love the seat cards and have pulled 3 so far, so i'm happy. when i bust the retail case i'll have a better idea of how i made out overall.
tomorrow, i plan to post a bunch of scans of the variations and i bunch of white backs..........jim

Stone193 · February 15, 2005 3:47PM

<< <i>mike- so far johan santana for sure. i also just pulled the cap variation as well.
i just ripped another box yielded a boog powell team topps auto, larsen seat card and a bonds chrome #556. unless the black chrome and topps real one auto are in my last box i struck out in that regard. i love the seat cards and have pulled 3 so far, so i'm happy. when i bust the retail case i'll have a better idea of how i made out overall.
tomorrow, i plan to post a bunch of scans of the variations and i bunch of white backs..........jim >>

Hey
Congrats on the Powell auto! You were down but not out! Great to hear!

Here is a list that I pulled off of the Beckett boards:

20 VARIATIONS:
3-6-7-31-50-69-78-82-118-125-135-155-261-273-286-296-300-312-353-389

SHORT-PRINTS
3-SORIANO-ACTION
5-HELTON
7-ICHIRO-ACTION
20-EDMONDS
30-NOMO
31-PUJOLS
31-PUJOLS-OLD UNIFORM
33-GUERRERO
50-THOME
61-BONDS-OLD UNIFORM
69-PRIOR
69-PRIOR-OLD UNIFORM
78-ALFONSO-OLD UNIFORM
79-ISHII
82-HUNTER-OLD UNIFORM
101-I-ROD
110-POSADA
118-ORDONEZ-OLD UNIFORM
125-NOMAR-OLD UNIFORM
130-A. JONES
135-A-ROD
135-A-ROD-ACTION
155-CHAVEZ-OLD UNIFORM
260-IZTURIS
261-BELTRAN-ACTION
273-CHIPPER-ACTION
286-BLALOCK-ACTION
292-SWEENEY-OLD UNIFORM
296-SANTANA-OLD UNIFORM
300-SOSA-ACTION
312-BERKMAN-ACTION
353-HUDSON-OLD UNIFORM
389-SCHILLING-ACTION

CARDS 398-475.

and a scan off ebay with a pic of variation cards:

your friend
Mike

Basilone · February 15, 2005 3:52PM

I have to believe the white backs are not intentional and are the result your cards and mine being printed at different times. It makes no sense from an parallel standpoint for you to get 100 cards out of 7 boxes and for me to get 6 cards out of 3 boxes.

Then again...I pulled 2 Game Used out of 1 box.

This product is so freaking screwy this year.

highend · February 15, 2005 4:57PM

john- you could be right, there seems to be no rhyme or reason to the cards with white backs.

mike- i'm not sure if the chavez in the pic is the sp, i have about 4 of them but only 1 with him in an old k.c. a's cap. same goes for beltran i have 6 of him catching but only 1 swinging.the blalock sp has got to be the one throwing because i have 8 swinging , none throwing. i pulled only 2 arods , 1 fielding 1 hitting , not sure which one is the sp.

thanks for posting the list it's alot better than what i was workng with.

Basilone · February 15, 2005 5:29PM

Well it looks like the Bonds Refractor sold for $25. I knew the BIN would hit.

Probaly sell $30-$40.

DataDriven05 · February 16, 2005 1:12PM

How many boxes are people saving for the live rip? I have two coming from Kuhlmann on Saturday, and 3 more coming tomorrow or Friday. I realize that some are down on Topps, but this should still be fun.

I am not a collector of autos or gameused, so if I get any I will be looking to deal for the missing SPs to work toward completing my set. Obviously if Mr. Aaron is hiding in one of the packs, then I may have to reconsider. But like Stone, I don't have that kind of good fortune, so I am sure I will be auto free.

Chris

joestalin · February 16, 2005 1:21PM

oh yeah, now this is what heritage is about! Live rips, odd pulls, and speculation!!!!

I would love to see a side by side scan of the back variations! Wether this is intentional or not this could spur an entirely new
part of the set! Just when you thought the master set was looking easy. BAM white backs at some insane odds! dang I didn't have
any in my rips. Cmon Chris throw me a Bonds white back Saturday!! LOL

Im thinking one box each on the live rip, which is now looking like it will take place early next week. Im going to need a straight jacket
in order to keep me from only busting one of the Kuhlmann boxes. Heck maybe we can do live rip Saturday and then again later.

So you think I could of gotten more for the Bonds..oh well, so far I have recouped 54 dollars (two auctions still going) from my 130 investment and I
haven't sold any sp's. You can only do that with heritage!

Lets see some pictures on those white backs!

Kevin

socalfan · February 16, 2005 1:57PM

Hi everyone. I just finished ripping through a box of Heritage. Here are the results:

12 Short Prints

3 Then and Now

2 Flashbacks

1 NAP

Luis Ramirez Chrome 0253/1956
Lance Berkman Chrome 0886/1956

Shingo Takatsu Chome Refractor 161/556

David Wright Black Chrome Refractor 54/56

Overall, I had fun ripping through the packs. . . The gum tasted GREAT!

I have a question about the soriano sp (#3). I have both variations (running and throwing). Which is the sp?

joestalin · February 16, 2005 2:00PM

WOW, nice bonus cards, Takatsu and Wright are two of the hottest players out there right now. Wright is even on the cover of the
new beckett, and Takatsu has his own story inside. I could see you getting most of your money back on that box by just selling
the chromes and black chrome!

JS

socalfan · February 16, 2005 2:04PM

I couldn't believe that I pulled both of the cards in one box.

highend · February 16, 2005 2:09PM

joestalin · February 16, 2005 2:11PM

Thanks for the scans, if you ask me Ill agree with John on this one, it just looks like something was different with the printers...I remember seeing
this last year on a few cards. Any 56 experts tell us how different the backs were back then?

Kevin

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