Pretty, ugly, or just average? How would you grade it and rate the eye appeal? (1827 Bust half)

lordmarcovan · January 8, 2005 12:46PM

These pictures slightly exaggerate the colors in the peripheral toning, but they don't show any of the luster, either. (Rather flat looking pics, but they were done by a Dead King, so what do you expect).

K6AZ · January 8, 2005 12:49PM

I'm not the worlds best Bust guy, but I guessed XF40. One thing is for certain, it spent a long time in an album, and in my opinion has tremendous eye appeal.

LindeDad · January 8, 2005 12:55PM

I gave it a AU58. I think it's mint quality but been cleaned and put into album and toned. But I'm not a expert on the half dollars of this series a little to expensive for my budget. Hope to get a couple of them sometime in the futher. BTW where did you hide the hole?

lordmarcovan · January 8, 2005 12:59PM

I voted AU50, personally. Like so many, it probably was dipped long ago- it's pretty bright in person. But the album toning more than compensates for that, in my opinion.

(This one's gonna be for sale and not in the holey collection.)

coinguy89 · January 8, 2005 1:01PM

I thought that was mint state! AMAZING EYE APPEAL!!!

lordmarcovan · January 8, 2005 1:03PM

Too flat on Liberty's hair for MS. It did look very similar to an ANACS AU53 Aethelred had. I have two slabbed AU50 coins (a PCGS and an ANACS), but they are at my antique mall booth and so I have not compared them to this raw piece.

Nysoto · January 8, 2005 1:08PM

AU50, looks like most of the luster has been rubbed off the fields except for the more protected areas. Yep, dipped and album toned. Average eye appeal for me because of the dip, but the color mongers would pay a premium for it. I don't mind the late die state with blunt rims.

originalisbest · January 8, 2005 1:08PM

Well, the nice album toning doesn't make up for the leached appearance, to me (but then, nothing would.) It is better off with the album toning, though, than if there were none. XF details, anyway.

lordmarcovan · January 8, 2005 1:11PM

<< Well, the nice album toning doesn't make up for the leached appearance, to me (but then, nothing would.) >>

Bear in mind that the picture does exaggerate the "leached" appearance a little bit. (But of course it isn't a 100% original coin.)

TommyType · January 8, 2005 1:23PM

I went 55.

Too much luster for what goes into 50 slabs, and too much wear for a 58.

(That's my logic....I never claimed it was GOOD logic).

NumisOxide · January 8, 2005 1:30PM

I graded it VF-35.

Shamika · January 8, 2005 1:30PM

It's either a 53 or 55. I went 55. The crazy toning gives it a boost in my opinion.

originalisbest · January 8, 2005 1:59PM

point taken, lordm. The nice album toning is a definite plus, and a redeeming factor.

Myqqy · January 8, 2005 2:03PM

I voted ef-45- it's nice, but it's way too white for me. I always look for a darker, more even tone on bust halves....

michael · January 8, 2005 2:21PM

i love all those little babees

the little one on the far left looks like he has a comfortable really happy home life with many good friends and tasty foods as he looks really content and safe while sleeping in the open like that

michael

Coinhusker1 · January 8, 2005 2:23PM

Look like a nice AU and I like the toning!

morgannut2 · January 8, 2005 8:09PM

Technical XF, but by today's standards, I went 53 on remaining luster with a bump for edge-tone

zzzz · January 8, 2005 8:17PM

AU Details .. Net 45 .. cleaned ..

BillJones · January 8, 2005 8:38PM

AU sharpness, cleaned and now retoning with some unusually bright colors. Pieces like this often sell for EF money to people who like the look. It's not really my thing.

I'm going by what I see in the scan, which is an unnaturally bright white coin with some colorful toning. Maybe it looks different in person.

tmot99 · January 8, 2005 11:01PM

I went AU53. I wasn't as concerned about how flat that hair looked; that could just be weak strike. Definitely cleaned and retoned as everyone else has said. I would have to have it in-hand to grade any higher.

lordmarcovan · January 8, 2005 11:53PM

<< I'm going by what I see in the scan, which is an unnaturally bright white coin with some colorful toning. Maybe it looks different in person. >>

Nope. That's about right, I guess.

RYK · January 9, 2005 12:00AM

I was in the swell of the bell shaped curve at 53. It is nice but has an unnatural look.

coinfreak499 · January 9, 2005 12:26AM

Nice eye appeal! I'll say AU 55

LincolnCentMan · January 9, 2005 12:28AM

AU50 Details, cleaned, retoned (in an album). Net XF45.

David

Barry · January 9, 2005 12:41AM

<< AU Details .. Net 45 .. cleaned .. >>

I voted 45 for the same reason.

stman · January 9, 2005 1:24AM

I took a quick glance and it looks au50. As far as an opinion on eye-appeal? Since you asked I'm sure some would like it.
Personally It just doesn't look natural for an old Bustie. I could even deal with it with the white centers if it had dark, more natural
looking periph tone. So I guess you can tell I like the "Crusty" ugly looking ones. Well, to many folks they are ugly anyway.

Baley · January 9, 2005 1:28AM

I also voted AU50, mainly because I'd want to buy it at EF45 money or lower and would pass at an AU53 price or higher.

The details look AU, the luster qualifies as AU, but yes it's a little white. The rim toning adds quite a bit of eye appeal

stman · January 9, 2005 1:34AM

<< I also voted AU50, mainly because I'd want to buy it at EF45 money or lower >>

So it looks like you are saying you like it OK if you could "Rip" it.

Baley · January 9, 2005 1:45AM

Actually, I find that a good way to "grade" coins... decide the highest grade I'd buy it "as", and that's the grade!

The grade I'd snap it up "as" is the low estimate, and the grade I'd have to just pass is the high estimate.

The grade I'd seriously consider buying the coin "as" (and reasonably expect to get it) is my grading opinion.

stman · January 9, 2005 1:53AM

Baley, I kinda knew that. Please see "wink" in my previous post.

JoesMaName · January 9, 2005 2:12AM

I think this coin started life with a weakish strike, accumulated an AU58 amount of wear in its 175 years, was dipped 5 to 20 years ago and spent the following years in an album acquiring a rather attractive peripheral patina.

[Edit] The pictures do make it appear rather flat though and so I gave it an AU50.

lordmarcovan · January 9, 2005 3:37AM

I reckon I have EF45 money in it. (Paid more than EF price but less than AU).

Elcontador · January 9, 2005 5:34AM

The flat hair below LIBERTY and the weak wingtip on the reverse to the viewer's lt. makes this an AU coin. It'll probably market grade in the AU 53 - 55 range if the luster is as it appears. The coin was dipped and has retoned, probably in an album, looking at the rim toning.

You can tell the coin was dipped by the tell-tale very small hairlines which are perpendicular to the coin's obverse devices.

Merc · January 9, 2005 6:54AM

AU details, net graded 45 for cleaned/retoned. The overly colorful toning around the rim on a dipped white coin looks odd for a Bust half. The strike is weak and it is from a late die state. It is not one I would have in my Bust half collection.

JrGMan2004 · January 9, 2005 6:57AM

AU50, dipped before being placed into an album... would probally need to see this one in hand to appropriately decide if I like it or not...

granddad · January 9, 2005 8:00AM

Put a hole at 12 o'clock and it is a keeper!

Have a Great Day!
Louis

michael · January 9, 2005 12:45PM

It is not one I would have in my Bust half collection.
Put a hole at 12 o'clock and it is a keeper!

as per the above

for me

it is an ugly negative eye appeal coin as the bleached white stripped overdipped surfaces killed the coin

and even if the rim toning is nice

what kills the rim toning is it accentuates the late die state

michael

RGT · January 10, 2005 2:28AM

<< You can tell the coin was dipped by the tell-tale very small hairlines which are perpendicular to the coin's obverse devices. >>

While I agree the coin was cleaned/dipped, I've never heard of a dip causing hairlines. The only lines I see are metal flow lines.

dorkkarl · January 10, 2005 2:34AM

i voted xf-45, but it's right on the cusp of going au. looks like about 25% of the luster is remaining, which for me spells choice xf.

if there's more luster then what's visible, then bump my estimate up to au-50.

coins like this between xf & ms-60, you just can't grade by detail or sharpness alone. more important than sharpness is how much of the original cartwheel luster remains.

bottom line: an absolutely gorgeous coin that i'd own in an instant.

K S

Stuart · January 10, 2005 2:41AM

I guessed AU-53 because LM mentioned that there's more luster than in the photo.

I give it high eye appeal, but I'd personally prefer the coin if it were more evenly toned so that the central portions of both obverse & reverse had some pleasing ligher toning on them to transition to the more brightly toned periphery.

It's a very pretty Bust Half that will quickly find a buyer (like DK)

dthigpen · January 10, 2005 2:42AM

XF-45 Details, Net VF-35. (Though the net grade could be fixed by a couple months in the right 'conditions')

Overall, I like it, and would probably pay EF-40 money for it.

Pretty, ugly, or just average? How would you grade it and rate the eye appeal? (1827 Bust half)

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