Please tell me this 1959 Franklin isn't worth thousands, or even hundreds

relayer · September 9, 2004 7:41AM

While I was sitting there twitling my thumbs, somebody hit the BIN for $99.95

kieferscoins · September 9, 2004 7:42AM

Could be a nice PR-67DCAM worth hundreds!

Cameron Kiefer

Russ · September 9, 2004 7:43AM

It's likely that it is not even a cameo.

Russ, NCNE

XpipedreamR · September 9, 2004 7:45AM

Who was the seller?

kamehameha00 · September 9, 2004 7:45AM

Who was selling it? A few sellers are known for touching of their images a bit. I agree with Cameron, if it does look like that in person, it would almost definetly go DCAM.

Russ · September 9, 2004 7:46AM

<< if it does look like that in person >>

It won't.

Russ, NCNE

kieferscoins · September 9, 2004 7:47AM

Russ must know who sold it. Can you enlighten us Russ?

Cameron Kiefer

Russ · September 9, 2004 7:49AM

<< Russ must know who sold it. Can you enlighten us Russ?

Cameron Kiefer >>

It's pretty obvious by the image that it's a jwcameo coin.

Russ, NCNE

relayer · September 9, 2004 7:49AM

Cameron-

The Price guide lists a PR67-DCAM at $10,000

10 1959 - - 10 15 18 23 29 45 165 -
10 1959 CA - 14 15 27 92 390 780 1000 5600 -
10 1959 DC - - - - 2000 4000 5000 10000 20000 30000

I think I like Russ's answer better

But at $100 I think the potential upside far exceeded the downside.

Here is the auction

Russ · September 9, 2004 8:00AM

<< But at $100 I think the potential upside far exceeded the downside. >>

That's what I thought when I BINed this one, (also for $99):

Turned out to be only a cameo, worth about $20:

Russ, NCNE

relayer · September 9, 2004 8:16AM

Still even a Cameo 1959 Franklin lists PR65CAM at $390, PR66CAM at $780 ...

Russ · September 9, 2004 8:20AM

<< Still even a Cameo 1959 Franklin lists PR65CAM at $390, PR66CAM at $780 ... >>

True. But compare the contrast in the image of the Frankie with the contrast in the image of the Kennedy and it should be obvious that the Frankie isn't a cameo. Note, for example, how silvery the devices appear in the image. This is a dead giveaway.

You did just fine by not plunking down your money.

Russ, NCNE

kieferscoins · September 9, 2004 8:22AM

<< The Price guide lists a PR67-DCAM at $10,000 >>

PCGS price guide?

Cameron Kiefer

eagle7 · September 9, 2004 8:33AM

I agree with everything Russ has said.

eagle7 · September 9, 2004 8:43AM

Here is what a Franklin which has real cameo looks like. This one only got a 68 cam at PCGS although it is very close to dcam. Nice even frost on both sides.

nwcs · September 9, 2004 8:50AM

Yep, jwcameo and not a cameo.

rhedden · September 9, 2004 8:58AM

Just about anything looks cameo when you take a photo using a black background.

Wingsrule · September 9, 2004 9:29AM

Cameron,

I'm sure there would be plenty of buyers for a '59 in 67DC at $10k.

1956Quarter · September 9, 2004 9:40AM

Where the heck is Lucy??? I want to know how many BeBopAlooa's it gets...... Then we'll know for sure.

MadMarty · September 9, 2004 9:49AM

As soon as I saw the picture I knew who the seller was. I to bought a 65 SMS set and the coins looked great in the picture. But they were not even CLOSE to cameo! Returned them the next day!

Monstavet · September 9, 2004 10:10AM

Obviously there are mixed opinions about Jeff Werlin on these forums. I have bought and sold with him many times and have had only smooth transactions. But I will say that if he is selling it raw, it probably wouldn't get the grade (meaning CAM & certainly not DCAM) if submitted to PCGS. He knows his CAMs and DCAMs quite well, and wouldn't let a "$10,000" coin go for $100. It might CAM at NGC, but not at PCGS.

Monstavet · September 9, 2004 10:15AM

I will also add that I bought a set of 1964 proof coins from Jeff a long time ago - all raw DCAMs - and every one came back from PCGS as a DCAM. He had listed a similar set on Ebay and I got sniped on the auction, so I e-mailed him and asked if he could put together another set, which he did and shipped them out - all great stuff.

LucyBop · September 9, 2004 10:51AM

<< Here is what a Franklin which has real cameo looks like. This one only got a 68 cam at PCGS although it is very close to dcam. Nice even frost on both sides.

>>

correction, here is a Frankie with cameo contrast!

Cameonut · September 9, 2004 11:05AM

Monstavet
I think you have it exactly right. I agree.

If it were a $10k coin, it would already be in a PCGS holder.

It is probably a $100 coin - Jeff knows his cameos.
Nut

100proof1957 · September 9, 2004 11:38AM

dude is great with a camera !
his act is getting a little old,everybody knows he has slabbed coins as well !

greghansen · September 9, 2004 11:43AM

Even if the coin is accurate it is no way...now how...anywhere near a DCAM. I agree it probably isn't even a CAM. Probably photographed with flourescent lighting. I think jwcameo used to post pictures a couple of years back with the coins imaged with both flourescent and incandescent lighting. The flourescent photos always appeared to have more cameo contrast than the incandescent. Having said that...I've bought coins from jwcameo in the past, in fact at least one of the coins in my current Franky PR Registry set came from him. Even beginning Franky Proof collectors know that 1959 is the killer date to get in DCAM. Almost as hard, if not as hard, as 1950. A 67DCAM for 1959 would get chased very hard by lots of deep check books.

LucyBop · September 9, 2004 11:54AM

in my opinion, there are three holy grails in the wonderful Franklin half series...

a 1950 in DCAM, a 1959 in DCAM, and last but not least a Mint State 53s in FBL.....

any person that has one of these would surely get it slabb'd.

greghansen · September 9, 2004 11:57AM

in my opinion, there are three holy grails in the wonderful Franklin half series...

That would be the 'holy grail trifecta', I believe. I concur in the substance of the post. Heck...I'd be pretty darn happy to just have ONE of the the three.

nederveit · September 9, 2004 12:53PM

sliderider · September 9, 2004 1:03PM

Looks like a stock photo to me. I doubt the buyer will receive a coin nearly so nice.

eagle7 · September 10, 2004 2:20AM

Bow wow Lucy Bop! Nice 56. But I should have shown a 59 since that is what this thread was about. Here is a nice cameo example of a 59. This is what one should look for when chasing a cameo 59.

Please tell me this 1959 Franklin isn't worth thousands, or even hundreds

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