Would PCGS BB this?

Kennewickman · June 8, 2004 3:40AM

Or would this be a candidate for ANACS? I know it has been cleaned at one time, but it still has some luster.

kieferscoins · June 8, 2004 3:43AM

Kinda hard to tell with that pic but the reverse does show cleaning. It would get a BB no matter hoiw much luster it shows.

Cameron Kiefer

paigowjohnny · June 8, 2004 3:50AM

<< It would get a BB no matter hoiw much luster it shows. >>

I don't know Cam....I've got a Seated dollar from a PCGS XF 40 slab that looks a lot like that Bust Half. I think the graders give a wink and a nod sometimes to Bust and Seated coinage because so much of it has been cleaned at some point.

Shamika · June 8, 2004 3:50AM

I would guess BB. However, nothing surprises me regarding these early dates. Maybe you'll get lucky.

Russ · June 8, 2004 3:58AM

Bodybag. Look at the hairlining on the bust. PCGS will forgive quite a bit on these, but not when it's that obvious.

Russ, NCNE

BillJones · June 8, 2004 4:10AM

I think that the chances for a body bag are really srong here. There are lots of hairlines from cleaning, and the coin is not a scarce one. Common date Bust half dollar are pretty easy to locate. PCGS and NGC get easy when the coin is early and there are not that many of them available.

robertpr · June 8, 2004 4:14AM

I think that, while the cleaning is fairly obvious, they may holder that one. I would at least attempt it at PCGS before sending it to ANACS.

I think it may be a 50/50 shot at PCGS. Some of the cleaning does appear evident on the cheek. They may frown on it being evident in a prime focal area?

jasbucks · June 8, 2004 4:32AM

I'm a little

regarding the Body Bag referenced frequently. "The Body Bag" Is it really the Kiss of Death for a coin? Using the above as an example, I can understand the fact that altered surfaces disqualifies the coin from the mega bucks associated with the high grades assigned by PCGS & NGC but the coin still has value AND collectability doesn't it? Is it not constructive to assign a grade & note whatever problem has been diagnosed. A full disclosure kind of thing. Maybe I just don't understand the practical aspects of the Body Bag as I would think it should be used for counterfits only. It seems wrong to me for a grading service to take your money & send your coin back in a bag or whatever. I'm a new coin junkie & don't spend thousands of $'s on coins & in an auction I'd bid on the coin in this thread until my threashold expired as long as I knew it was real. If the leading grading services just body bag them the will we have to depend on those others

How much would this coin sell for now that its been BB'ed?
I think this is a cool 174 yr. old coin & wouldn't mind owning it at all. help

kieferscoins · June 8, 2004 4:34AM

<< I can understand the fact that altered surfaces disqualifies the coin from the mega bucks associated with the high grades assigned by PCGS & NGC but the coin still has value AND collectability doesn't it? >>

Of course it has value. The question was if it would bag at all and thats it.

Cameron Kiefer

robertpr · June 8, 2004 4:36AM

It's not the kiss of death, it's just an opinion.

JrGMan2004 · June 8, 2004 4:37AM

jasbucks: PCGS and NGC "Bodybag" problem coins. It's not just counterfeits, but also altered surfaces, improper cleaning, tooling, scratches, holed, damage, graffiti, artificial color. These two big companies do not want their holders associated with problem coins. ANACS and SEGS are very good alternatives if you have a problem coin. ANACS will give it a details grade and a net grade and not the problems on the holder. Anyone got a picture Jeremy's Super Messed up Bust Dime on hand? I'll see if I can find it. SEGS will grade it ignoring the problems then note the problems on the holder and also uses a red label for problem coins so it jumps out.

291fifth · June 8, 2004 4:40AM

If in doubt go with ANACS. There is no point in wasting money when there is a high probability of getting a coin body bagged.

JrGMan2004 · June 8, 2004 4:41AM

This is the Label on Jeremy's "Most Damaged Coin Ever In A Slab" Here's the threadLink

relayer · June 8, 2004 4:41AM

Harshly cleaned. If you want it in a slab that notates CLEANED send it to ANACS

kieferscoins · June 8, 2004 4:42AM

Jeremy made that coin and slabbed it for me. He chickened out and wouldn't sell it to me.

Cameron Kiefer

BillJones · June 8, 2004 4:42AM

<< If in doubt go with ANACS. There is no point in wasting money when there is a high probability of getting a coin body bagged. >>

Yep, my feelings exactly. I think that this coin has less than a 5% chance of getting into a PCGS holder. The obverse is pretty bad and the reverse is a slam dunk for a BB IMO.

nwcs · June 8, 2004 4:45AM

bodybag

OnlyBuffalos · June 8, 2004 4:48AM

What does the coin look like to you without magnification? Are the hairlines pronounced or does it take a lens to see them? What is your impression of the eye appeal?

PCGS can be quite forgiving of a light cleaning on bust halfs. If the coin has good eye appeal it is usually slabbed if the cleaning is not harsh.

If you can attend a coin show at which ANACS is present, ask for their opinion. On bust halfs they are typically close in agreement to PCGS regarding cleaning.

If you can wait for five or six months, you might try PCGS' economy service if the slab is important to you. Keep in mind that most Bust Half Nuts prefer their coins "raw".

Russ · June 8, 2004 4:53AM

<< "The Body Bag" Is it really the Kiss of Death for a coin? >>

No. Sometimes it just means "try again, we're a little short on revenue this month."

Russ, NCNE

paigowjohnny · June 8, 2004 5:05AM

Keep it raw, save the money, and put it in a nice airtite holder.
Why bother trying to slab it if it gets bagged or a net grade.

wjd283 · June 8, 2004 5:18AM

PCGS=bodybag.IMO.Save your money and send it to ANACS.They're having a half $ special right now.
9 halves minimum,$11 per half (+S&H) with(supposedly)10 day turnaround.

Kennewickman · June 8, 2004 6:05AM

Thanks everybody for your comments

OnlyBuffalos--the cleaning hairlines are not really visable to the naked eye, only with a 2x glass (or a large photograph) are they visible. The coin has lots of eye appeal IMO. I think I will keep it raw for now.

Russ--I bought my first Kennedy yesterday, a pcgs 1964 pr68cam from mnmcoin, and me a Frankie lover.

JadeRareCoin · June 8, 2004 6:17AM

Depends on who submits it. Just kidding (kinda).

My guess is that if you submit the coin, it will get bagged at NGC or PCGS. ANACS will net grade it. Save your money, imho.

Russ · June 8, 2004 6:20AM

<< Russ--I bought my first Kennedy yesterday, a pcgs 1964 pr68cam >>

This means you are maturing as a collector.

Russ, NCNE

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