When I was new, and still DO feel new, Lucy immediately welcomed me along with alot of others. I have seen her happily welcome MANY MORE new people here and provide answers to questions. Some have chosen to be the trolls and some have chosen to be productive members.
This place is what you make it. Response to posts (if any in some cases) reflects the attitude of poster. So...dont blame the ones who have been around for a while. Blame the poster with lousy attitudes and running mouths.
Hell no! I'm always excited when a new collector enters our arena. I cetainly hope that my son finds the hobby fun and rewarding as I have. Hang in there, and have fun!
Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
<< <i>This lot consist of 21 PROFESSIONALLY CERTIFIED COINS . As you will see, there are many Proofs, Cameos, DCAM's, 3 PERFECT MS70'S-all 3 are Proofs & 1 is a CAM; 9 of the coins are graded @ MS69 with many of them being Proofs and Cameos or DCAM'S, and many other beautiful coins. You should see this 1973-S Eisenhower Dollar-NTC PR69 Deep Cameo--IT IS STUNNING!! And there is much more--take a look yourself below: >>
OK - I've read the entire thread and I didn't recall who you were until I saw the thread that Lucy linked us to which starts with the statement above.
These boards, among other things, are educational on the subjects of collecting. We try to share experiences, pictures, and annecdotes which will enhance everyone's collecting knowledge. Anything that strikes as deceiving, untruths, and innacuracies, are treated as such. You came in and blatantly tried to portray a bunch of garbage coins graded by NTC, as being "STUNNING" as shown by your own statement above. Now, you are entitled to your opinions, but so are we. And in the time that I've been here, it has been well documented that the only reason that NTC survives, is that they are taking advantage of people with no knowledge of collecting, much as ACG did, before they went under.
That being said, your first foray into these boards was much akin to having a YUGO salesman barge into a classic car collector's gathering. It was not your personality which was being attacked, it was the content of your sales pitch and your approach to these boards. We see the kind of garbage that you posted every single day on Ebay and cringe at the thought of having yet another "huckster" try to ruin the collecting experience of some unsuspecting novice. We go out of our way to try to expose people who knowingly, or unknowingly promote junk coins, because they are bad for the hobby.
Whether your intentions were good or otherwise is not the point. Unfortunately, in this media we cannot judge what one's intent is. The point is that you came in and began to do that which rubs many of us the wrong way, and I'm sure a lot of the membership let you know about it in their own, sometimes tactful, and sometimes not, ways. The deed is done, so get over it. If you're trying to claim innocence by way of ignorance of the hobby, I for one, am willing to forgive and forget. However, implying that WE are the ones who were in the wrong because your feelings were hurt is not only unfair, it speaks to the deficiencies of your approach to becoming a respected member of these boards.
We may not be the "kindest and gentlest" bunch of people on here. But for the most part were well intended, and friendly, but most of all - we're not idiots. So, keep that in mind as you continue your stay on here.
I don't wish any of the new collectors to go away. They are future of the hobby.
The only times that I get angry with collectors is when I try to warn them about speculative purchases, and they tell me that I'm stupid. OK I've given you my opinion based upon my experience. I did not attack you personally. So why did you attack me?
Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
<< <i>I don't wish any of the new collectors to go away. They are future of the hobby.
The only times that I get angry with collectors is when I try to warn them about speculative purchases, and they tell me that I'm stupid. OK I've given you my opinion based upon my experience. I did not attack you personally. So why did you attack me? >>
I know what you mean Bill. I have enough experience to know that you are a very knowledgeable collector. People do not like thier belief systems challenged.
In my first reply, I didnt realize that this particular collector had some controversy attached to him. So, I agree with the other collectors who chastised him. It's like anything else, if he takes this experience, and learns from it, great. if not, and he does have less than honorable motives, he won't welcomed around here too much longer.
Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
I don't think that anyone wishes that newbies would go away. Adding more views and people into the boards makes it better. The only issue is that people need to learn the board mannerisms before they charge in. I know that I made an "oops" with one of my early posts, but no one has brought it up ever again. What dug you into the hole that you are in was the way you tried to sell trash on the board, and then kept bringing it up over and over again. Everything you have said may be true, but the way that you initially posted to the board made most people (including me) assume that you are lying. I personally find it hard to believe that you could buy a lot of coins on Ebay for a few bucks and honestly believe that you had thousands of dollars of coins you could sell out of it. (Although I will say that I bet you never thought that someone on the board would dig up the Ebay purchase that you made!)
If you want to participate on the boards, great! Just let go of the past, don't make posts that are designed to get people upset, and enjoy talking about coins.
Robert Getty - Lifetime project to complete the finest collection of 1872 dated coins.
I don't post a lot, but I've read the threads here almost every day since I joined, and have learned quite a bit, including that, in the main, the collectors here are knowledgeable, and more than willing to share that knowledge with anyone who wants it. I am not in any clique here, but I have been made to feel welcome because I share a common interest with the people here. I have approached this group with a few questions and have had quite a few nice people answer my questions. It's all in the approach. I only vaguely remember your posts, but I don't really see how you can argue with those who questioned your motives. Put yourself in the other person's shoes - what would you have thought?
"What are you putting that tape on your nose for?" "Exactly."
I am very new here, and a coin newbie as well. When I first came on I could not *believe* how many responded with hellos and welcomes. I've asked some major newbie questions and got good answers - yes I've had a few posts that could be read as a brush off, but they could also be read as stern advice, as they do not want me to make common mistakes. I can take that.
As for the comments about Lucy and others on this forum, you are way off base. Several of these people (incuding Lucy) have always responded very nicely to me and others from what I have read. The information that I have received from these knowledgable people is greatly appreciated.
As for your problems, if you are being truthfull I wish you only the best. If you are not, I still wish you the best - only I wish you would seek some help.
SNIKT! You are doing well, subject 15837. You are a good person.
Newbies add interesting threads and ideas - make you remember the same mistakes you made in the past
If anyone comes on here and trys to sell minor slabbed coins and quote PCGS price guide, saying what a good deal - they will be laughed at (it doesn't matter if they are a newbie or not)
Especially if they picked up the good deal on eBay for $700 and try to sell it here for $10,000
There are some sellers on eBay that have many years of experience in the coin industry and they are laughed at as well ( I think of bluemooncoin ) - they are not newbies - but have resorted to scamming in my opinion - especially when the sales pitch revolves around "investment"
Not a personal attack, just laughable - and what is even funnier is some of these laughable auctions sell at outrageous prices to ?? other newbies ?? shill bidder ??
When newbies come with legitimate questions, they get answered well and quick
When newbies come talking like 'thecoinvault' man, what would you expect?
<<<Do the "insiders" or experts on this board wish us newbies would just go away?>>> If it weren't for the new collectors just who in the hell would I impress with my vast numismatic knowledge? stman, gilbert, & gsaguy already know all there is to know about Morgans. As far as your personal problems well I spend most of my time on the edge with my finger on the trigger but I don't go telling everybody about it.
Change that we can believe in is that change which is 90% silver.
Can't say about the rest of the members, but I think it has more to do with what you collect and what kind of questions or threads you post. Most new members aren't collecting the kind of material that would interest many of the veteran collectors. This is a very general statement and should be viewed as such.
If you were to start a thread about Jefferson Nickels for example, many veterans may not even read it. That's not a slam, it's just that they may not be interested in Jefferson Nickels. Same goes for many of the current series of coins.
On the other hand, start a thread about Mint State Morgans, Indian Head Pennies, Mercs, Walkers, or just about any other obsolete series and you'll see a lot of interest because those coins are more widely collected by moderately experienced people.
If the thread is more about Numismatics in general, pretty much everybody will give it a look and offer up opinions or observations.
Just my take. Welcome to the boards.
When we are planning for posterity, we ought to remember that virtue is not hereditary.
I am pretty new here also. In general I think this is a great group. I have put forth some pretty strange posts, and in general many have given comments. There is something that you must do with all of these types of forums. First you must remember that the experts are not the ones that post 30 comments per day. These are generally the people that have NO Money and little else to do all day but hang out at the forum. The second thing I think that is interesting is that you generally never know who you are dealing with. You might be talking to a multi- millionaire collector or the poorest guy on the planet. That does not mean that both opinions might not be worth listening to. Lastly all forum of this type have a lot of B.S. that goes on between many of the old time members that use the forum as their email. This is just part of the process, and can also be interesting at times. If you post a serious question and no one answers, perhaps they don’t know the answer.
<< <i>If you post a serious question and no one answers, perhaps they don’t know the answer. >>
Yea I think it's a waste of time when people throw up a post that says, "I don't know anything, but I just thought I throw this in." I don't know know all of the answers by far, but I know part of it I'll post it. Perhaps that will jog someone's memory.
If I don't know anything, I don't post anything, period.
Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
perro seys: "but I didn't realize that they were too modern." So what? I got 5 PCGS Registry Sets listed, all Moderns and 3 or 4 of them are #1 or all time finest and I'm not ashamed of it. I need some newbs to compete with & try to knock my sets down a couple of notches. It's lonely @ the top.
Change that we can believe in is that change which is 90% silver.
Just don't worry about what others say. There is freedom of speech here, well sorta free speech. This board is nothing more than a support group for neurotic numismatists who seek professional help for grading.
Robert Scot: Engraving Liberty - biography of US Mint's first chief engraver
Brilliant posts by many, particularly HepKitty and Frank.
edit: Colonel Clank, I don't want to know all of those medical "issues" you might have....
.....GOD
"Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you." -Luke 11:9
"Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD: And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might." -Deut. 6:4-5
"For the LORD is our judge, the LORD is our lawgiver, the LORD is our king; He will save us." -Isaiah 33:22
It is quite obvious to me that you are completely hung up with the idea that you were wronged on this board and you are seeking an apology or justification for your feelings. You are angry at more than just the people on this board. The fact that you are using veiled insults against the veteran members of this board in the form of posts such as this one or the "silver conspiracy" makes me very much doubt your credibility.
If what you are saying is true, this board is the least of your worries. If you are considering suicide, this board is the least of your worries. You need to see a professional counsular to help you deal with this, IF what you are saying is true. I'm just wondering if it is someone crying for attention. If you weren't begging for attention from a bunch of strangers over the internet, it would be easy for you to let this go. Maybe you should consider letting it go and let this issue drop. I'm saying this from an impartial point of view, because I am a newbie as well, and I didn't read the original controversy.
In my opinion, no one on here has made newbies feel uncomfortable. I see a new member post that gets several dozen replies welcoming the person to the board. No complaining, no hostility.
You need to stop crying for attention, thinking everyone is out to get you, and seek some professional help.
We emphasize with your alleged problems, but they will only buy you so much respect on the internet.
I for one, remember with great detail your initial post on the BST forum. I didnt know at first whether to help you, pity you or just ignore you. I think I chose the latter after your reaction to Lucy and other members on the board that I do trust implicitly.
The only advice I can give you is to LET IT LAY... Dont bring it up again. Dont whine about your mistreatment on the boards... If your health is what you say it is, I would confide those things with individuals that you develop a repoire with, not the entire board..
I will pray for you in the mean time.
Additionally, keep in mind that people in this business have a long memory... Trust me, I learned that and am still paying for a stupid move that I made two years ago with THE biggest dealer on the forum. She still harasses me about it (although I am 90% sure that she is 60% joking now)...
I'm a military man and the only time that newbies annoy me is when they come onto the forums and post their OPINIONS as if they were fact. We were taught a lesson at the academy never to talk about something that you didnt know about. If you were not 100% sure, the proper response was "I'll find out sir!!"... I learned then that the easiest way to deal with the situation was to STFU and not talk about crap I didnt know about.
Newbies annoy the hell out of me when they try and act like they have the answer to various controvesial issues...
You would think that someone with that number and magnitude of problems would have more important things to do than sell crappy coins here. >>
Agreed.. that's exactly what I was getting at as well. For someone with so many problems in their life, he seems way too concerned with what some people on a coin message board thought of him and the message board conspiracies surrounding the price of silver.
Edited: If I was in excrutiating pain, the last thing I'd be worried about was learning how to grade morgans on ebay.
Just got around to reading everything in this thread... there are many people here who greet newbies with open arms, for me, it's been a group of about a dozen great people, most specializing in my field of interest... Lucy, Frank, Cameron, Rick, Bill, wingedliberty, Jason Steven, Jim Moore, and a couple other great people!! But... then there's a couple people who don't like change, and don't like it when new people who may not be as "experienced" as they are, contradict their opinions... and I'll admit I've made some mistakes with my posts, like with my comment about a board members coin, that some people took offense to, (though that person didn't take any offense at all) and I publicly and privately apologized, and yet just in a recent post someone else made a mention of my comment... I don't know if that person was joking around or not... I hope they were joking around, b/c I would not like for one comment to follow me around, even though I apologized, etc. etc. I'm sure we've all made one comment or another on these forums that we wish we could just erase from everyone's memories...
I think newbies get very nice treatment around here, particularly when they introduce themselves and really try to participate. I also think that young collectors get treated well here. Perro, if you really have all those trials of Job then you are one unfortunate dude and my heart goes out to you and your family. Make a fresh start here, talk interestingly about collecting and coins and you might feel more comfortable. Internet forum paranoia is a pretty new one and I don't think that anybody's really studied the parameters of it yet (my wife is a shrink and I'll show her this thread). Get some professional help so you can find meaning in whatever hand of cards you got dealt. I have learned a lot since I came on here (although I've quietly collected since the 50's) from the young and old, newbies and real experts (and there are some people who post on here that will forget more than I will ever know). The chance to see coins that you would have to spend a lifetime looking for, up close and personal, and discuss them with people who really know about them and are as fanatic about the hobby as you can be is a priceless opportunity for the collector who wants to get better and better at it, the budding numismatist, if you will.
Remember: "In the 60's, people took acid to make the world weird. Now the world is weird and people take Prozac to make it normal. " We've all got to get up in the morning, put our pants on one leg at a time, and look at ourselves in the mirror. Give us and yourself a chance.
"I do recall other people asking questions about some of these items and ol Perro getting very defensive and then he had one horror story after another, sick family, deaths, all kinds of stuff, I remember there being a new saga of tragedies with every post..."
Yes, I remember his tail of woe. I also didn't know whether to feel sorry for Perro or to sit back and laugh at the absurdity of the whole thing.
Perro, why do you continue to persecute yourself the way you do? Why can't we just talk coins?
Lucy bop--You are one of the nastiest people aboard here, & that I've ever talked to --and a liar as well. The only infirmity that I EVER spoke of was in regard to my injured elbows, and that was in response to a question or ststement made to me. I NEVER came on peddling my infirmities, only some coins that I thought were great. I emailed the seller after my thrashing, and complained to him that he wasn't being straight with his listing that he said was worth several thousand dollars. He was extremely angry, but offered to buy them back for $50 more than I purchased them for because he had several people that were willing to pay much more. I tried to sell them & you were all right about their worth, and by the time I tried him again he said it was too late. anyway, the thread was deleted by the moderator who sent me an apology by e-mail. As far as the post is concerned, your memory is short. Those were not my words, thus not my style. They were the words of the person who sold them on eBay (one of the members posted the link showing so, and since he did such a good job (or so I thought at the time being as green as green could be) that I would use his description. I didn't know they were worthless until you all educated me while wishing me to hell. My memory may fail me on whether or not you said that about me, but you took quite the lead in denouncing me as thoroughly as possible--and were as nasty as you could be about it. The only infirmity EVER mentioned was my elbows & my use of a voice activated system. You are flat out lying. I was dying when I spoke to your forum & made no mention of that. I was merely trying to figure out some way to make some money so that my wife & two wee one's had something after their Papi was gone. My wife who was reading along said that you were a B***h & I shouldn't waste my time talking to you. I will take her advice and this will be the last time I will ever post to you, much to your satisfaction i'm sure.
Charis, eleos, kai eireenee para Theou (Grace, mercy, and peace from God, in ancient Koine Greek),
<< <i> However if that was my intention, I most certainly would have mentioned that I was dying of cancer with a 2 & 5 year old and my wife of 10 years, nor did I mention that I have a herniated disc in my neck and in my lower back, nor did I mention that I have peripheral neuropathy, a neurological disease which creates great pain and spreads throughout your entire body. I also didn't say a word about the fact that I have arthritis in my ankles, knees, hips, lower back, shoulders, and hands. I said nothing of the migraine headaches that I have at least two times a week and the rest the time, a permanent bad headache-- this was due to what the neurologist called "cervical radiculopathy", where the crushed disc crushes your nerve. I also forgot to mention another neurological disease, which is still in the syndrome stage, and of course incurable, and is so painful it has journey to the brink of suicide several times. In fact, I just spent this last Christmas Eve -- after sending my family to my in-laws -- sitting on the kitchen floor weeping with a razor blade to my wrists, and praying for God to help me keep my sanity. I foolishly forgot to mention that I was having seizures, was bedridden and most of the time, had to use a walker because every time I stood up I would fall down. I think I can stop there. >>
All of these problems and you are wasting your time arguing with people here?
No one said your coins were 'worthless' just worth less than you were asking
You also threatened to leave the boards and never post again, asking how to get a hold of a moderator to delete your thread, your file, message system
For what it is worth, I think gold is going to $5000 in the next couple years, and everyone should sell as many of their assets as possible and invest in gold so that they can reap the benefits and not have to work ever again
I do not know of anyone who is not dying - for some it may be minutes from now, others may last another 100 years - are you in a religion were you will be resurrected?
<< <i>And being an ordained minister I've always tried to keep myself above reproach. ~ My BS detector hit tilt. >>
Hey now, I am ordained. Signed up on the internet in 1994 and had both of my cats also ordained as well at the same time (however, they don't do weddings well).
Mr. perro,,, or is it Preacher perro,,, or Father perro??? Maybe you should take a little time off from here and go talk to someone that might be able to help you. All you are doing is digging your hole deeper with each post...Ken
Perro, your last post about Lucy really did blow your whole thing. Why don't you just spare yourself and spare all of us here and GO FIND ANOTHER FORUM TO HAUNT!
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When I was new, and still DO feel new, Lucy immediately welcomed me along with alot of others. I have seen her happily welcome MANY MORE new people here and provide answers to questions. Some have chosen to be the trolls and some have chosen to be productive members.
This place is what you make it. Response to posts (if any in some cases) reflects the attitude of poster. So...dont blame the ones who have been around for a while. Blame the poster with lousy attitudes and running mouths.
<< <i>This lot consist of 21 PROFESSIONALLY CERTIFIED COINS . As you will see, there are many Proofs, Cameos, DCAM's, 3 PERFECT MS70'S-all 3 are Proofs & 1 is a CAM; 9 of the coins are graded @ MS69 with many of them being Proofs and Cameos or DCAM'S, and many other beautiful coins. You should see this 1973-S Eisenhower Dollar-NTC PR69 Deep Cameo--IT IS STUNNING!! And there is much more--take a look yourself below: >>
OK - I've read the entire thread and I didn't recall who you were until I saw the thread that Lucy linked us to which starts with the statement above.
These boards, among other things, are educational on the subjects of collecting. We try to share experiences, pictures, and annecdotes which will enhance everyone's collecting knowledge. Anything that strikes as deceiving, untruths, and innacuracies, are treated as such. You came in and blatantly tried to portray a bunch of garbage coins graded by NTC, as being "STUNNING" as shown by your own statement above. Now, you are entitled to your opinions, but so are we. And in the time that I've been here, it has been well documented that the only reason that NTC survives, is that they are taking advantage of people with no knowledge of collecting, much as ACG did, before they went under.
That being said, your first foray into these boards was much akin to having a YUGO salesman barge into a classic car collector's gathering. It was not your personality which was being attacked, it was the content of your sales pitch and your approach to these boards. We see the kind of garbage that you posted every single day on Ebay and cringe at the thought of having yet another "huckster" try to ruin the collecting experience of some unsuspecting novice. We go out of our way to try to expose people who knowingly, or unknowingly promote junk coins, because they are bad for the hobby.
Whether your intentions were good or otherwise is not the point. Unfortunately, in this media we cannot judge what one's intent is. The point is that you came in and began to do that which rubs many of us the wrong way, and I'm sure a lot of the membership let you know about it in their own, sometimes tactful, and sometimes not, ways. The deed is done, so get over it. If you're trying to claim innocence by way of ignorance of the hobby, I for one, am willing to forgive and forget. However, implying that WE are the ones who were in the wrong because your feelings were hurt is not only unfair, it speaks to the deficiencies of your approach to becoming a respected member of these boards.
We may not be the "kindest and gentlest" bunch of people on here. But for the most part were well intended, and friendly, but most of all - we're not idiots. So, keep that in mind as you continue your stay on here.
The only times that I get angry with collectors is when I try to warn them about speculative purchases, and they tell me that I'm stupid. OK I've given you my opinion based upon my experience. I did not attack you personally. So why did you attack me?
<< <i>I don't wish any of the new collectors to go away. They are future of the hobby.
The only times that I get angry with collectors is when I try to warn them about speculative purchases, and they tell me that I'm stupid. OK I've given you my opinion based upon my experience. I did not attack you personally. So why did you attack me? >>
I know what you mean Bill. I have enough experience to know that you are a very knowledgeable collector. People do not like thier belief systems challenged.
In my first reply, I didnt realize that this particular collector had some controversy attached to him. So, I agree with the other collectors who chastised him. It's like anything else, if he takes this experience, and learns from it, great. if not, and he does have less than honorable motives, he won't welcomed around here too much longer.
If you want to participate on the boards, great! Just let go of the past, don't make posts that are designed to get people upset, and enjoy talking about coins.
"Exactly."
As for the comments about Lucy and others on this forum, you are way off base. Several of these people (incuding Lucy) have always responded very nicely to me and others from what I have read. The information that I have received from these knowledgable people is greatly appreciated.
As for your problems, if you are being truthfull I wish you only the best. If you are not, I still wish you the best - only I wish you would seek some help.
You are doing well, subject 15837. You are a good person.
If anyone comes on here and trys to sell minor slabbed coins and quote PCGS price guide, saying what a good deal - they will be laughed at (it doesn't matter if they are a newbie or not)
Especially if they picked up the good deal on eBay for $700 and try to sell it here for $10,000
There are some sellers on eBay that have many years of experience in the coin industry and they are laughed at as well ( I think of bluemooncoin ) - they are not newbies - but have resorted to scamming in my opinion - especially when the sales pitch revolves around "investment"
Not a personal attack, just laughable - and what is even funnier is some of these laughable auctions sell at outrageous prices to ?? other newbies ?? shill bidder ??
When newbies come with legitimate questions, they get answered well and quick
When newbies come talking like 'thecoinvault' man, what would you expect?
I really love those old(er) T'birds, but the color has to go! Banana yellow for fire engine metalflake red! More your style, Lady!
If it weren't for the new collectors just who in the hell would I impress with my vast numismatic knowledge?
stman, gilbert, & gsaguy already know all there is to know about Morgans.
As far as your personal problems well I spend most of my time on the edge with my finger on the trigger but I don't go telling everybody about it.
If you were to start a thread about Jefferson Nickels for example, many veterans may not even read it. That's not a slam, it's just that they may not be interested in Jefferson Nickels. Same goes for many of the current series of coins.
On the other hand, start a thread about Mint State Morgans, Indian Head Pennies, Mercs, Walkers, or just about any other obsolete series and you'll see a lot of interest because those coins are more widely collected by moderately experienced people.
If the thread is more about Numismatics in general, pretty much everybody will give it a look and offer up opinions or observations.
Just my take. Welcome to the boards.
When we are planning for posterity, we ought to remember that virtue is not hereditary.
Thomas Paine
<< <i>If you post a serious question and no one answers, perhaps they don’t know the answer. >>
Yea I think it's a waste of time when people throw up a post that says, "I don't know anything, but I just thought I throw this in." I don't know know all of the answers by far, but I know part of it I'll post it. Perhaps that will jog someone's memory.
If I don't know anything, I don't post anything, period.
So what? I got 5 PCGS Registry Sets listed, all Moderns and 3 or 4 of them are #1 or all time finest and I'm not ashamed of it.
I need some newbs to compete with & try to knock my sets down a couple of notches. It's lonely @ the top.
Silver American Eagles ROCK
No wait thats what the q&a section is for. Whats this forum for again?
c o i n s
good boy.
<< <i>This board is nothing more than a support group for neurotic numismatists who seek professional help for grading. >>
That is patently untrue. I have sought professional help for lots of other things!
Clankeye
edit: Colonel Clank, I don't want to know all of those medical "issues" you might have....
"Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you." -Luke 11:9
"Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD: And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might." -Deut. 6:4-5
"For the LORD is our judge, the LORD is our lawgiver, the LORD is our king; He will save us." -Isaiah 33:22
It is quite obvious to me that you are completely hung up with the idea that you were wronged on this board and you are seeking an apology or justification for your feelings. You are angry at more than just the people on this board. The fact that you are using veiled insults against the veteran members of this board in the form of posts such as this one or the "silver conspiracy" makes me very much doubt your credibility.
If what you are saying is true, this board is the least of your worries. If you are considering suicide, this board is the least of your worries. You need to see a professional counsular to help you deal with this, IF what you are saying is true. I'm just wondering if it is someone crying for attention. If you weren't begging for attention from a bunch of strangers over the internet, it would be easy for you to let this go. Maybe you should consider letting it go and let this issue drop. I'm saying this from an impartial point of view, because I am a newbie as well, and I didn't read the original controversy.
In my opinion, no one on here has made newbies feel uncomfortable. I see a new member post that gets several dozen replies welcoming the person to the board. No complaining, no hostility.
You need to stop crying for attention, thinking everyone is out to get you, and seek some professional help.
We emphasize with your alleged problems, but they will only buy you so much respect on the internet.
That was good!!
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I for one, remember with great detail your initial post on the BST forum. I didnt know at first whether to help you, pity you or just ignore you. I think I chose the latter after your reaction to Lucy and other members on the board that I do trust implicitly.
The only advice I can give you is to LET IT LAY... Dont bring it up again. Dont whine about your mistreatment on the boards...
If your health is what you say it is, I would confide those things with individuals that you develop a repoire with, not the entire board..
I will pray for you in the mean time.
Additionally, keep in mind that people in this business have a long memory...
Trust me, I learned that and am still paying for a stupid move that I made two years ago with THE biggest dealer on the forum. She still harasses me about it (although I am 90% sure that she is 60% joking now)...
I'm a military man and the only time that newbies annoy me is when they come onto the forums and post their OPINIONS as if they were fact. We were taught a lesson at the academy never to talk about something that you didnt know about. If you were not 100% sure, the proper response was "I'll find out sir!!"... I learned then that the easiest way to deal with the situation was to STFU and not talk about crap I didnt know about.
Newbies annoy the hell out of me when they try and act like they have the answer to various controvesial issues...
V.r,
John
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But, when he added this:
<< <i>And being an ordained minister I've always tried to keep myself above reproach >>
My BS detector hit tilt.
Russ, NCNE
You would think that someone with that number and magnitude of problems would have more important things to do than sell crappy coins here.
<< <i>My BS detector hit tilt.
You would think that someone with that number and magnitude of problems would have more important things to do than sell crappy coins here.
Agreed.. that's exactly what I was getting at as well. For someone with so many problems in their life, he seems way too concerned with what some people on a coin message board thought of him and the message board conspiracies surrounding the price of silver.
Edited: If I was in excrutiating pain, the last thing I'd be worried about was learning how to grade morgans on ebay.
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Remember: "In the 60's, people took acid to make the world weird. Now the world is weird and people take Prozac to make it normal. "
We've all got to get up in the morning, put our pants on one leg at a time, and look at ourselves in the mirror. Give us and yourself a chance.
Yes, I remember his tail of woe. I also didn't know whether to feel sorry for Perro or to sit back and laugh at the absurdity of the whole thing.
Perro, why do you continue to persecute yourself the way you do? Why can't we just talk coins?
perro
LucyBop has got to be one of the nicest people on here!!
Perro, you're off your rocker, my friend! You need to speak with a professional therapist.
Your own post contradicts your statement.. just in this very post you speak of several different ailments including the desire to kill yourself.
Please get yourself some help.
<< <i> However if that was my intention, I most certainly would have mentioned that I was dying of cancer with a 2 & 5 year old and my wife of 10 years, nor did I mention that I have a herniated disc in my neck and in my lower back, nor did I mention that I have peripheral neuropathy, a neurological disease which creates great pain and spreads throughout your entire body. I also didn't say a word about the fact that I have arthritis in my ankles, knees, hips, lower back, shoulders, and hands. I said nothing of the migraine headaches that I have at least two times a week and the rest the time, a permanent bad headache-- this was due to what the neurologist called "cervical radiculopathy", where the crushed disc crushes your nerve. I also forgot to mention another neurological disease, which is still in the syndrome stage, and of course incurable, and is so painful it has journey to the brink of suicide several times. In fact, I just spent this last Christmas Eve -- after sending my family to my in-laws -- sitting on the kitchen floor weeping with a razor blade to my wrists, and praying for God to help me keep my sanity. I foolishly forgot to mention that I was having seizures, was bedridden and most of the time, had to use a walker because every time I stood up I would fall down. I think I can stop there. >>
All of these problems and you are wasting your time arguing with people here?
You also threatened to leave the boards and never post again, asking how to get a hold of a moderator to delete your thread, your file, message system
For what it is worth, I think gold is going to $5000 in the next couple years, and everyone should sell as many of their assets as possible and invest in gold so that they can reap the benefits and not have to work ever again
I do not know of anyone who is not dying - for some it may be minutes from now, others may last another 100 years - are you in a religion were you will be resurrected?
<< <i>And being an ordained minister I've always tried to keep myself above reproach. ~ My BS detector hit tilt. >>
Hey now, I am ordained. Signed up on the internet in 1994 and had both of my cats also ordained as well at the same time (however, they don't do weddings well).
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<< <i>This is quite bizarro, but we are on our way to 100 posts! >>
I guess he can't whine that newbies are ignored.
Perro,
It is you who is lying, not Lucy. You forget that there are many of us who read that thread before it was deleted.
Russ, NCNE
<< <i>had both of my cats also ordained >>
Cats don't need to be ordained - that was unnecessary.