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The toned vs.untoned debate. Why does it have to be so absolute?
wingedliberty
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This really interests me. I have been collecting seriously for over twenty five years. I prefer both white and toned coins. I have seen white coins with blinding knockout luster that drips off the coins like liquid chrome and I have seen toned coins that sizzle with rainbow colors. I have also encountered ugly coins within both realms as well as average ones within both categories. Aesthetics is not a black and white matter. It is highly subjective. I cannot understand how some people are so absolute in their collecting criteria. This is not a black & white matter, at least for me it isn't.
I think those who place themselves within such a box, are missing out on alot, or perhaps, as their collecting patterns mature, they may become more open minded. I really don't know, its just hard to comprehend the recent threads and how absolute and firm they are in their stance.
I can fully understand how some folks are very firm within the series they collect, I am one of them, but luster, color, and toning, are so subjective,much more so than the aesthetics of a design. I can see someone saying, The SBA dollar is an ugly coin, I can respect that, or the Barber dime is average in its design, or "I love Walkers", etc, . Those are fixed and concrete designs that are absolute and will not change, so its a simpler matter of aesthetics., but toning and luster, and eye appeal. Those are far more fragile. Just my opinion.
I think those who place themselves within such a box, are missing out on alot, or perhaps, as their collecting patterns mature, they may become more open minded. I really don't know, its just hard to comprehend the recent threads and how absolute and firm they are in their stance.
I can fully understand how some folks are very firm within the series they collect, I am one of them, but luster, color, and toning, are so subjective,much more so than the aesthetics of a design. I can see someone saying, The SBA dollar is an ugly coin, I can respect that, or the Barber dime is average in its design, or "I love Walkers", etc, . Those are fixed and concrete designs that are absolute and will not change, so its a simpler matter of aesthetics., but toning and luster, and eye appeal. Those are far more fragile. Just my opinion.
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I enjoy both untoned and toned coins even though I do have definite tastes when it comes to the type of toning that I like.
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I prefer white coins always have and always will. However, I don't prefer dipped out coins. I quick look at my dimes, and one will find a few toned coins mixed in with my mostly white set. There are even some natural coins that have a hint of grey. I have a $5 eagle that is layered with rose at the base, Liberty's hair, and the branch. I would have to say this coin is an absolute gem because of the color. I am not sold on the tone, but if the tone is acceptable, I'm fine with it. The best way for me to explain it is, "only buy the coin if you like it, becuase if you don't like it, maybe nobody else will either."
Tony
President, Racine Numismatic Society 2013-2014; Variety Resource Dimes; See 6/8/12 CDN for my article on Winged Liberty Dimes; Ebay
You're spot on. Attractive coins come in many flavors. Good post.
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Tony you are slowly coming around to the virtues of color. Heck a year ago you would not touch a colored merc.
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Let's see I have a 1969 Chevelle that is white and a 1978 Nova that is Black, and my my 2002 Ford ZX2 is Black.
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Yes, you are correct, a year or so ago I would not touch them!
Tony
President, Racine Numismatic Society 2013-2014; Variety Resource Dimes; See 6/8/12 CDN for my article on Winged Liberty Dimes; Ebay
Just repainted my car because it was turning gray.
I'm not sure I'd dip my coins if they started toning.
I guess I just prefer my most valued possesions to be in new condition.
There seems to be collectors who will accept nothing but blast white,
others who won't look at a coin if it's not toned, and probably many
more who aren't so demanding and can appreciate both sides.
I know what I prefer but I'm learning to be less judgemental of those
who collect in a different style.
Life's to short to worry about the opinions of everyone else !
As a tone lover, I hate the thought that any coin might be dipped. And what is the motivation to dip a coin? To make it blast white. Thus untoned lovers knowingly or not encouraging dipping.
Of course, the counter argument is AT. Untoned lovers can argue that tone lovers knowingly or not encourage artificial toning; thus the endless debate.
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I think we are all in agreement. That is some UGLY toning and I would never want that coin.