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How do you take cleaning into account for grading
numonebuyer
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I am sure this has happened to most of us. We have a coin and send it off for grading at PCGS and they body bag it. They say it was cleaned. So, what grade do we give it? If we thought it was uncirculated, is it now no better than AU-58?
I am referring to a coin that did not look cleaned to me, but for sake of this thread I now agree with PCGS in that it has been dipped one too many times and is not wizzed or anything like that.
Obviously I have a particular coin in mind, but want the responses to this thread to be more general in nature and refer to an uncirculated coin that was body bagged by PCGS.
Numonebuyer
I am referring to a coin that did not look cleaned to me, but for sake of this thread I now agree with PCGS in that it has been dipped one too many times and is not wizzed or anything like that.
Obviously I have a particular coin in mind, but want the responses to this thread to be more general in nature and refer to an uncirculated coin that was body bagged by PCGS.
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<< <i>Net AU50 like ANACS would do >>
So, based on this, the grade for pricing would be the AU-50 grade?
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PCGS always allows a little leeway for dipping. They will not automatically bag it because of a few subtle traces, it has to be something a little more substantial to keep it from holdering, though they are notorious for being the most conservative.
This is the one.
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Dipping is almost never the cause of a coin being body bagged although a seriously overdipped coin might get returned for altered surfaces. PCGS doesn't consider dipping a coin as a reason for a no grade.
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I hate net graded coins with an assigned lower grade, since I dont keep anything other than PCGS, I dont worry about it. If it dont slab by PCGS, then it does not reside in my collection period.
If dipping is as bad as abrasive cleaning then how come hairlines can be identified 100% of the time while dipped coins can almost never be identified? Don't kid yourself, most dipped coins are not the "overbright" circulated coins that are easy to spot, but blast white uncirculated coins that have either retoned or left white. PCGS has correctly determined that dipping doesn't change the look of otherwise bright uncirculated coins and therefore doesn't identify them as cleaned. (even if they could)
Numonebuyer
P.S. Some very interesting responses thus far.
if the cleaning is currently market acceptable then a net grade
again it all depends on what the coin looks like to me sight seen in person
sincerely michael
1st, decide how much this coin is worth TO YOU. then, look for the corresponding grade in your favorite price guide, see what grade column that value falls under, voila, you have just graded the coin.
if you think the coin is worth $100, & $100 is the value under the VF column, then YOU grade the coin VF.
K S
<< <i>If dipping is as bad as abrasive cleaning then how come hairlines can be identified 100% of the time while dipped coins can almost never be identified? >>
If I can identify a coin as dipped it's over dipped to me. mike
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