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Is this 1945 dime worth another shot at Full Bands?
manlye1
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Wanted to get a feel if I'm wasting money cracking this and sending to our host for a Full Band designation. In hand the center band looks to be all there if viewed as "railroad tracks" which is how I was taught for full steps nickels but not as versed in FB dimes. Thank you in advance!
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it has to be all 3 bands and you forgot the pics
My guess would be no - it won’t make it.
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I think it is 70/30 against it, maybe on the right day/right grader.
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Given rarity of the 1945-P dime with bans, I doubt it. The graders don’t give those out like candy.
This is only true for Roosevelt dimes. Mercs are only the center bands.
'45s get a closer look in the grading room. I don't think it'll make it.
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“Is this 1945 dime worth another shot at Full Bands?”
No.
“it has to be all 3 bands…”
No, it doesn’t.
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ok.
where does the center band fail here?
No
I had one very similar to this before.
Our host would most likely not give an FB designation, unfortunately.
And this is what is completely wrong with such designations. This coin appears to be as close as you can possibly get and I wouldn’t shake my head over it if it was so designated and yet there’s going to be a huge price drop without the designation.
I’ve said many times that I would much rather do an almost there set than a full designation set. For these and for standing Liberty quarters..
Yup
I don’t think it will ever Full Bands. I teach grading at ANA Summer Seminars and other seminars and would like to purchase this for that purpose if you decide to sell @manlye1
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I'm not seeing it. Not full bands. Your coin is slightly closer to FB than a '45 I bought out of a dealer's triple row box, however.
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is nothing hidden which will not become manifest." --- Gospel of Thomas (Lamdin translation)
Looks to me that there's a ding toward the right end of the center bands. The pushed up metal is in the gap. So, it seems to me that it probably was FB before that ding, but not any more, at least not in the eyes of folks commenting here...
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" '45s get a closer look in the grading room. "
If that's so, that's where I would disagree with the TPGs. All dates should get an equal look and be held to the same standard.
I'm seeing a bridge in the bands about halfway across.
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Slightly right of center.
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Rather than looking at it as a large price drop without the FB designation, I look at it as a large price increase with it.
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I’m surprised coin doctors haven’t figured out how to use a fine, precise laser to fix the FB conundrum.
I heard of alterations to produce FB long go. But I don’t know how widespread it is.
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Just for reference and I'm under no delusions it's borderline this has FB from our hosteg
It’s not possible. They have to protect the buyer from mistakes on these more expensive coins. So they need to spend extra time to make sure they got it right. Nobody wants to purchase a 1945 FSB Mercury unless it’s a sure FB designation, or a borderline MS 65 1921 S Walker
In theory, I agree with you. However, it doesn’t always work out that way. Some coins that you’d think merit extra scrutiny/time, are still given generous grades and/or designations.
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A 1945 Philly issue Mercury dime in MS-60 FB grade is listed at $5,000 in 2027 Red Book. $12,000 in MS-65.
I don't know that any Mercury dime showing circulation wear is going to get FB designation from our host, however. From 1934 through 1945 the only issues you'll see a price for in the Circulation Strikes, Full Bands section in MS-60 (strictly uncirculated) is for the overdates and the 1945 Philadelphia issue.
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Yes, I understand how it works. Still- they're being paid a fee to "get it right", so they should take as much care to get it right on a $100 coin as they do on a $10,000 coin.
Until the grading services implement actual measurements of things like Full Bands or Full Head that can be objectively quantified (yes the standard of passing for Strike Designations would be a grading service defined standard), it will continue to be "hit or miss" particularly for coins that are nearly qualified by eye for the designation.
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Where's a coin doctor when you need one?
Like full steps on some Jeffersons and Roosevelts can be very hard to get vs common dates.
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Not seeing it on your original coin, although it is getting close ... and despite what they show it as, the coin you show as reference for having FB also looks suspect.
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I suspect that's never going to happen. There are coins you can say without a doubt "Yes, they are", ones you can say "No, they're not" but there will always be ones where it depends on who is looking at it. Same thing with grading where you have to decide between MS65.999 or MS66.000. Somewhere in that last 0.001, the coin jumps a grade, but good luck defining that point.
I must say I am very impressed with the 2027 Redbook. $20 well-spent.
Jesus said, "Recognize what is in your sight, and that which is hidden from you will become plain to you. For there
is nothing hidden which will not become manifest." --- Gospel of Thomas (Lamdin translation)
Wrong thread.
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I couldn't find the Redbook thread.
Jesus said, "Recognize what is in your sight, and that which is hidden from you will become plain to you. For there
is nothing hidden which will not become manifest." --- Gospel of Thomas (Lamdin translation)
Even with quantifiable standards, macro photography 3D imaging etc., there will always be disputes and customer dissatisfaction.
If the standards are too minute then the naked eye will not perceive and the arguments will intensify. Sorry, imperfect humans only here.
I just this 1945 10C PCGS MS65FB
https://auctions.stacksbowers.com/lots/view/3-1UQ831/1945-mercury-dime-ms-65-fb-pcgs
You may have a shot if this one can make it with a weakness in the center of the bands.
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