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Seeking more opinions on Morgans with black spots.
AdamL
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I didn't know whether to start a new thread, or piggyback off of the other black spot thread. But here goes.
Finally going through my late father's collection/hoard after 8 years. There are 18 CC Morgans, all 1883 and 1884. Got them home from the SDB and 3 have black spot issues of some sort. I immediately took everything out of the holders they were in and put them in PVC free flips. Most had been in 2x2's, but at least 1 was in the soft plastic type of flip that is probably bad for the coins.
Anyway, I'd appreciate opinions on these. Pictures of both sides of the trio and the obverse of the one I think has it the worst.
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These happen when cardboard 2x2s come in frequent contact with one another, causing minute tears in the mylar film and allowing the exposed spots to tarnish. It occurs more frequently on silver dollars because the two halves of the cardboard piece together are usually thinner than the coin, which makes coins in those holders prone to coming in contact with each other in a box.
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These three look like nice ms63 level coins. I have removed similar spots with a gentle q-tip application of ms70
Talk about needing a dip,
What in the world were they stored in?
Definitely culls. Not sure a dip could overcome that. Already ruined. Start them on the Bay at melt, get rid of them?
Or / I would Work them with q tip soaked in dip, jewel luster - might work.
Dip them
If you can get the black spots off they appear could get good grade if sent in.
Will our hosts dip, work them? Then get
graded?
They do like really nice coins if can get black spots off.
Culls?
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83cc and 84cc in MS condition with dome spotting are not considered culls
are you getting any graded? you might also send these 3 for conservation
@AdamL
The coins are definitely not Culls…
I would strongly recommend a soak for a few days in pure acetone then air dry and put them in Mylar flips…
As to the spots, they look like fairly unattractive toning and will affect the value downward a bit..however, there is a chance that the coin’s appearance could be improved a bit but if i were you i would find someone with a little experience to help you, otherwise you might devalue the coins quite a bit.
I’ve seen some like that that I thought was from someone dipping them and not being careful and talking right in front of the coins. The spittle droplets turn black like that.
Mr_Spud
4 of the nicer ones currently are.
I considered these 3 for conservation but wasn't sure if they were good candidates for it or not. I'm still trying to make up my mind what exactly to do with them. Prior to this thread I had already had someone suggest MS70 on a qtip. I do have some pretty insignificant coins I could experiment with first.
I can't rule out a dipping from 40-50+ years ago. But @hummingbird_coins explanation about the cardboard 2x2's also makes a lot of sense. They were either loose or stacked on top of each other, mostly in 2x2's for many, many years in a SDB.
They were probably in the SDB since at least the 1980's. I remember seeing them sometime around '06-'08 and I don't believe they looked like this at all then.
I would apply some MS70 rolled on gently with a q-tip, rinse well with distilled water and then a quick acetone bath to be sure there is no residue. if no change then you might choose the conservation route, a few of those spots look close to terminal so there may not be much improvement.
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That is one of the most terrible batch of black spotted coins I have seen. As is unsellable unless you start them at melt.
Send them to TPG that can fix that.
Show them after they have been dipped / conserved and graded. (That wb quite a project). Can our hosts do that for you? I am curious if it’s even possible.
Then if that project successful they have potential get MS 63 and higher. Looked them over couple them possibly get 64 or 65. But as is - ruined.
I think it would take a good dip and then working the dark areas with dip soaked que tip. I did that on a peace dollar horribly dark tarnish after decades stored in this guys hot garage. After all that it looked ok and sold at nice price. Took some work. But for those you need a real pro.
For your project you need a pro in that area so hopefully TPG can do that.
Do you have multiple people posting under your account?
Earlier in this thread, you posted:
“ Definitely culls. Not sure a dip could overcome that. Already ruined. Start them on the Bay at melt, get rid of them?”
And this wasn’t the first time that one or more persons using your account have made such contradictory comments.
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I don't think multiple people would have that same writing style. Lol. Even people with multiple personality disorders usually show individual styles with the individual personalities.
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Enjoy your junk silver.
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/comment/14132283#Comment_14132283
He either has memory issues, attention span issues, or is paying an inconceivably little amount of attention possible while still posting. It's well established that he doesn't read other people's posts very often.
I have a number of theories but they're all pretty slanderous and based only on his posting styles so I'll keep them to myself.
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Lol - lol the one I dipped, conserved did well.
And you, as well.
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