Seeking more opinions on Morgans with black spots. (Updated - Cleaned One)

Talk about needing a dip,
What in the world were they stored in?

Definitely culls. Not sure a dip could overcome that. Already ruined. Start them on the Bay at melt, get rid of them?

Or / I would Work them with q tip soaked in dip, jewel luster - might work.

Dip them

If you can get the black spots off they appear could get good grade if sent in.

Will our hosts dip, work them? Then get
graded?

They do like really nice coins if can get black spots off.

83cc and 84cc in MS condition with dome spotting are not considered culls

are you getting any graded? you might also send these 3 for conservation

I’ve seen some like that that I thought was from someone dipping them and not being careful and talking right in front of the coins. The spittle droplets turn black like that.

That is one of the most terrible batch of black spotted coins I have seen. As is unsellable unless you start them at melt.

Send them to TPG that can fix that.

Show them after they have been dipped / conserved and graded. (That wb quite a project). Can our hosts do that for you? I am curious if it’s even possible.

Then if that project successful they have potential get MS 63 and higher. Looked them over couple them possibly get 64 or 65. But as is - ruined.

I think it would take a good dip and then working the dark areas with dip soaked que tip. I did that on a peace dollar horribly dark tarnish after decades stored in this guys hot garage. After all that it looked ok and sold at nice price. Took some work. But for those you need a real pro.

For your project you need a pro in that area so hopefully TPG can do that.

@MFeld said:

@Cougar1978 said:
Show them after they have been dipped / conserved and graded. (That wb quite a project). Can our hosts do that for you?

Then if that project successful they have potential get MS 63 and higher. Looked them over couple them possibly get 64 or 65.

Do you have multiple people posting under your account?

Earlier in this thread, you posted:
“ Definitely culls. Not sure a dip could overcome that. Already ruined. Start them on the Bay at melt, get rid of them?”

And this wasn’t the first time that one or more persons using your account have made such contradictory comments.

I don't think multiple people would have that same writing style. Lol. Even people with multiple personality disorders usually show individual styles with the individual personalities.

@MFeld said:

@Cougar1978 said:
Show them after they have been dipped / conserved and graded. (That wb quite a project). Can our hosts do that for you?

Then if that project successful they have potential get MS 63 and higher. Looked them over couple them possibly get 64 or 65.

Do you have multiple people posting under your account?

Earlier in this thread, you posted:
“ Definitely culls. Not sure a dip could overcome that. Already ruined. Start them on the Bay at melt, get rid of them?”

And this wasn’t the first time that one or more persons using your account have made such contradictory comments.

https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/comment/14132283#Comment_14132283

He either has memory issues, attention span issues, or is paying an inconceivably little amount of attention possible while still posting. It's well established that he doesn't read other people's posts very often.

I have a number of theories but they're all pretty slanderous and based only on his posting styles so I'll keep them to myself.

@Cougar1978 said:

@jmlanzaf said:

@MFeld said:

@Cougar1978 said:
Show them after they have been dipped / conserved and graded. (That wb quite a project). Can our hosts do that for you?

Then if that project successful they have potential get MS 63 and higher. Looked them over couple them possibly get 64 or 65.

Do you have multiple people posting under your account?

Earlier in this thread, you posted:
“ Definitely culls. Not sure a dip could overcome that. Already ruined. Start them on the Bay at melt, get rid of them?”

And this wasn’t the first time that one or more persons using your account have made such contradictory comments.

I don't think multiple people would have that same writing style. Lol. Even people with multiple personality disorders usually show individual styles with the individual personalities.

Enjoy your junk silver.

And you, as well.

@Cougar1978 said:
Talk about needing a dip,
What in the world were they stored in?

Definitely culls. Not sure a dip could overcome that. Already ruined. Start them on the Bay at melt, get rid of them?

Or / I would Work them with q tip soaked in dip, jewel luster - might work.

Dip them

If you can get the black spots off they appear could get good grade if sent in.

Will our hosts dip, work them? Then get
graded?

They do like really nice coins if can get black spots off.

I'll buy every similarly preserved CC Morgan you have at cull money. PM me with your offerings.

@AdamL said:

@PerryHall said:
Is MS70 formulated to remove tarnish or was it made to remove dirt, grime, and other contamination? You might have better results using a coin dip such as e-Z-est.

I think it's supposed to remove all of those things - Tarnish, dirt, pvc, etc.

And I forgot to add I also did give this a 1 hour pure acetone bath after the MS70. But the acetone didn't change anything from how it looked after the MS70 treatment.

No. It's just a detergent

@MasonG said:

@jmlanzaf said:

@AdamL said:

@PerryHall said:
Is MS70 formulated to remove tarnish or was it made to remove dirt, grime, and other contamination? You might have better results using a coin dip such as e-Z-est.

I think it's supposed to remove all of those things - Tarnish, dirt, pvc, etc.

And I forgot to add I also did give this a 1 hour pure acetone bath after the MS70. But the acetone didn't change anything from how it looked after the MS70 treatment.

No. It's just a detergent

The label of the bottle of MS70 I have says it removes tarnish. While that may be so, I would be surprised if it removed the tarnish on those dollars.

It is literally just detergents and surfactants. It appears to have lightened the toning spots, but it's really not formulated to act as a silver dip.

https://www.translinesupply.com/PDF/MDSSHEETS/MS707530.MSDS.pdf

I've had similar spots dip out easily, either diluted or straight EZ-est near running water so that you can quickly wash it off after some Qtip gentle treatment.

If you can figure out what breaks down copper carbon, carbonate, perhaps lime water. Use the fine sanded point of a toothpick or, as suggested to me, a brass needle (which I haven't found)(I instead, made a pointed tool out of #8 gauge copper wire. The theory goes, some metal elements or alloys are softer than the silver and 10% copper alloy in the coin thereby lowering the chance of leaving scratches on the coin. But working close-up under 5X magnification, dip the tool into the lime acid and carefully work the point into the spot. From experience, you'll likely be able to remove some of the spot, lessening its darkness but not all of it as some of the spot may have hardened to a stage where it's unremovable. Only a dremel tool and harsher tool bits can complete the job but the coin will be ruined entirely. And you need a steady hand! And buy some cheap coins with spots to practice on.
A professional jeweler is another option if you can get them to break their code of honor they cling to that prevents them when it comes to artificially improving the value of coins.
And, of course, as someone has already suggested, the more expensive route, send them into PCGS to have them restored. I think they will inform you whether it's possible or to just leave it alone.
Those carbon spots are like tiny miniature volcanoes or can be where the eruption started deep in the surface of the coin. But then again, it might be resting on top of a thin layer of toning which is where you'll have your best success!
But don't just dive into making untried attempts to remove the spots as you can ruin the numismatic value of a coin forever in an instant split second of time! I'm talking about 4-5 years of fine tuning your skills with worthless coins. You don't want to ruin a valuable coin, period! There are many books out there on the subject of removing tarnish and carbon spots. Their experiences and the results with different metals and methods. A quite indulging, comprehensive, time-consuming experience.
Here's a tip, with the use of the glasses you wear on the face, if you wear glasses. I'll drop the popular 5x black case magnifier in between the glasses lens and my eye, held by the side of my nose. This way, I free my hands up to hold up the coin to my eye piece with one hand and use the toothpick or whatever to pick at the spot on the coin with the other. If you have a stereoscope and a way to station the coin, this is likely how the pros do it. Magnify that spot 16X to 32X and really get a good look at what you're dealing with and you'll know how crusty it looks. Or perhaps, it has crystalized. Or you might see it's layered or there's a hard black center. In any event, the adventure can get quite exciting! And who knows.....you might find yourself looking at a few other coins you have once you have mastered the skill and will be overwhelmed when you notice dust or tiny hairs and other debris resting on your coin that'll need removed to not only preserve your coins but to make them look better!

Leo

If thats toning ezest will work. If thats carbon it will not come out.
Good luck.

@jmlanzaf said:

@cameonut2011 said:

@logger7 said:
I've had similar spots dip out easily, either diluted or straight EZ-est near running water so that you can quickly wash it off after some Qtip gentle treatment.

Have a pan with baking soda to catch it. I don’t think EZest is great for your plumbing.

Diluted, it's no worse than vinegar.

Doesn't work as well for salad dressing, though.

@Cougar1978 said:

@jmlanzaf said:

@MFeld said:

@Cougar1978 said:
Show them after they have been dipped / conserved and graded. (That wb quite a project). Can our hosts do that for you?

Then if that project successful they have potential get MS 63 and higher. Looked them over couple them possibly get 64 or 65.

Do you have multiple people posting under your account?

Earlier in this thread, you posted:
“ Definitely culls. Not sure a dip could overcome that. Already ruined. Start them on the Bay at melt, get rid of them?”

And this wasn’t the first time that one or more persons using your account have made such contradictory comments.

I don't think multiple people would have that same writing style. Lol. Even people with multiple personality disorders usually show individual styles with the individual personalities.

Enjoy your junk silver.

@Cougar1978 What series would you collect if you were a smart coin investor?

Great results, almost cannot tell any of the original spots left a mark.

@RedRocket said:

@jmlanzaf said:

@cameonut2011 said:

@logger7 said:
I've had similar spots dip out easily, either diluted or straight EZ-est near running water so that you can quickly wash it off after some Qtip gentle treatment.

Have a pan with baking soda to catch it. I don’t think EZest is great for your plumbing.

Diluted, it's no worse than vinegar.

Doesn't work as well for salad dressing, though.

You dress your salad the way you want. I'll dress it the way I want.

@RedRocket said:

@Cougar1978 said:

@jmlanzaf said:

@MFeld said:

@Cougar1978 said:
Show them after they have been dipped / conserved and graded. (That wb quite a project). Can our hosts do that for you?

Then if that project successful they have potential get MS 63 and higher. Looked them over couple them possibly get 64 or 65.

Do you have multiple people posting under your account?

Earlier in this thread, you posted:
“ Definitely culls. Not sure a dip could overcome that. Already ruined. Start them on the Bay at melt, get rid of them?”

And this wasn’t the first time that one or more persons using your account have made such contradictory comments.

I don't think multiple people would have that same writing style. Lol. Even people with multiple personality disorders usually show individual styles with the individual personalities.

Enjoy your junk silver.

@Cougar1978 What series would you collect if you were a smart coin investor?

Isn't that like asking me how I would feel about fire hydrants if I were a dog?