@bgr said:
By a show of hands. If this is what Pete was guilty of who thinks he would have ever been banned?
I mean, Willie Mays and Mickey Mantle both got lifetime bans just for working for casinos so, yeah, there's a decent chance Pete would have gotten banned for this. I'm absolutely certain he'd have gotten SOME punishment.
You think that’s a similar situation? Is there a book that I need to read to understand that?
They basically did nothing. Betting on a game you're playing in is more than nothing. Nothing got Mantle & Mays banned for life. So, yeah, Pete would've gotten SOMETHING.
@bgr said:
regarding the betting thing. I had to look it up because no one is talking about it...
apparently they were going back and forth on Twitter about the game (which they were playing each-other in) about betting $400 to win. to say that would warrant a lifetime ban in any league is probably not something a reasonable person would think.
why are you even trying to make things... things... when they're not anythings.
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And wasn't it the WNBA All Star Game they were throwing down a $400 bet between them (alledgedley)? Which is a joke in the first place! - not the bet - the actual game!
@bgr said:
By a show of hands. If this is what Pete was guilty of who thinks he would have ever been banned?
I mean, Willie Mays and Mickey Mantle both got lifetime bans just for working for casinos so, yeah, there's a decent chance Pete would have gotten banned for this. I'm absolutely certain he'd have gotten SOME punishment.
You think that’s a similar situation? Is there a book that I need to read to understand that?
They basically did nothing. Betting on a game you're playing in is more than nothing. Nothing got Mantle & Mays banned for life. So, yeah, Pete would've gotten SOMETHING.
Mantle and Mays were already in the HOF when Kuhn banned them for taking greerer and ambassador roles in Atlantic City casinos. If you are trying to say what Kuhn thought and did was reasonable and thus it's a measure of substance I think that's the main point of contention.
I think you're just having trouble seeing past the scope and intent. Had they been trying to keep it secret or had it been for a meaningful amount then I would deem it requiring punishment. In this case it was something that does not smell like gambling to me. I have great difficulty seeing it as something meaningful and I can't see why there is a need to try to juxtapose it into some other wildly different situation.
It's weirdly illogical to me the thought that this is significant in any way. Pete Rose was a POS who was guilty of statutory rape... and he bet on baseball as a player and manager thousands of times. The conclusion of the investigation was that even betting only to win distorted how he managed his team. His varying bets were viewed as a signal as a passive bet against the Reds on days when he did not wager to win or bet a small amount instead. Anyways. That seems like the same thing to you. Good luck with that.
The whole thing is stupid. Why did they think that was OK? Why did the NBA endorse it?? Why did they Homer Simpson it? Why did it become political? We are in the Matrix.
@bgr said:
By a show of hands. If this is what Pete was guilty of who thinks he would have ever been banned?
I mean, Willie Mays and Mickey Mantle both got lifetime bans just for working for casinos so, yeah, there's a decent chance Pete would have gotten banned for this. I'm absolutely certain he'd have gotten SOME punishment.
You think that’s a similar situation? Is there a book that I need to read to understand that?
They basically did nothing. Betting on a game you're playing in is more than nothing. Nothing got Mantle & Mays banned for life. So, yeah, Pete would've gotten SOMETHING.
Mantle and Mays were already in the HOF when Kuhn banned them for taking greerer and ambassador roles in Atlantic City casinos. If you are trying to say what Kuhn thought and did was reasonable and thus it's a measure of substance I think that's the main point of contention.
I think you're just having trouble seeing past the scope and intent. Had they been trying to keep it secret or had it been for a meaningful amount then I would deem it requiring punishment. In this case it was something that does not smell like gambling to me. I have great difficulty seeing it as something meaningful and I can't see why there is a need to try to juxtapose it into some other wildly different situation.
It's weirdly illogical to me the thought that this is significant in any way. Pete Rose was a POS who was guilty of statutory rape... and he bet on baseball as a player and manager thousands of times. The conclusion of the investigation was that even betting only to win distorted how he managed his team. His varying bets were viewed as a signal as a passive bet against the Reds on days when he did not wager to win or bet a small amount instead. Anyways. That seems like the same thing to you. Good luck with that.
That's not at all what I'm saying. First, Mantle & Mays getting banned was nonsense. Second, I was saying if Pete had publicly bet on a game - just the one incident - he'd have gotten punished by Kuhn since Kuhn punished guys who didn't do anything wrong. Not sure how you missed the point since this all started with you asking, "If this is what Pete was guilty of"? So, no, I'm not equating what he actually did with Mantle/Mays or Bueckers/Reese. I'm answering the question YOU asked.
@Steven59 said:
Well. If we are gonna offshoot from Clark and just make this a general WNBA thread - let's run with this..............is this even real?????????
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His PRA over/under for each game might be around 100. 😂
That’s not the question I asked but I think I got my answer. You think this was about a bet and I don’t think I can help you with that. But I think I know what this is really about for you.
@Steven59 said:
Well. If we are gonna offshoot from Clark and just make this a general WNBA thread - let's run with this..............is this even real?????????
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Its real and unless they change their rules and stop defending men in womens sports hes eligible and can sue if he doesnt get drafted. Dudes 6'10 its going to be like seeing a dad play against his 6 year old
@Steven59 said:
Well. If we are gonna offshoot from Clark and just make this a general WNBA thread - let's run with this..............is this even real?????????
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Its real and unless they change their rules and stop defending men in womens sports hes eligible and can sue if he doesnt get drafted. Dudes 6'10 its going to be like seeing a dad play against his 6 year old
@Steven59 said:
Well. If we are gonna offshoot from Clark and just make this a general WNBA thread - let's run with this..............is this even real?????????
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Its real and unless they change their rules and stop defending men in womens sports hes eligible and can sue if he doesnt get drafted. Dudes 6'10 its going to be like seeing a dad play against his 6 year old
Good!!!
Royce White whose career didnt work out as a former first round NBA draft pick has also declared
@craig44 said:
man, those two dudes, i mean women are going to be absolute menaces in that league.
maybe i will watch my first wnba game!!
If they dont make rule changes and stop virtue signaling about it theyre either going to get sued a lot or the league will turn into former NBA players and G league level college guys
Stuff like this was predictable 50 years ago, I'm surprised it has taken this long to finally happen. In the 1970's there would occasionally be a High School girl who try to work the court system to be able to play Football, Baseball or something. It was back when about the only thing for a High School girl to compete in was Volleyball and Field Hockey. They didn't even have girls BB or Fast Pitch Softball yet, at least not in my school district.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
The Royce White report indicated, in summary, that he decided he identified as female and that in the future he may identify differently.
What that conveys to me is that one's gender is not determined by biology, instead it is determined by an individual's choice (isn't that the position taken by supporters of Trans athletes being able to compete in women's sports?).
If a person's choice determines gender then Enes Kantor's and Royce White's choice must be honored and respected. Thus they should be able to declare for the WNBA draft.
It would be interesting to see a current NBA star ( i.e. Jalen Brown) if he chooses to identify as a male today. He should play in the NBA in the upcoming season. When that season is over for Jalen Brown if he the changes his mind the following day and chooses to identify as a female she should play in the WNBA in its next season.
The outcome of such a system will eventually be that no biological women will ever make a WNBA roster (because all roster spots will be taken by biological males who choose to identify as female (if only for the length of a WNBA season)).
It will be interesting to see how this all plays out with the powers that be in the WNBA.
A solution would be to create two new leagues.
One whose rosters are filled with biological males who choose to identify as female.
The other league would be one whose rosters are filled with biological females who choose to identify as males (it is interesting that this type of gender identity either does not exist, or it does exist but it is paid no attention by the media, interest groups and the public).
Maybe the leagues should just make an individual decision. It should be pretty easy. I don’t know if there are any trans leagues but I guess that’s what women did when they wanted to play. I saw the movie with Madonna and Tom Hanks.
WNBA Commissioner Cathy Engelbert PANICS, Sends Memo Calling Biological Males in Women’s Sports “Complex and Nuanced” After Enes Freedom and Royce White Declare for the Draft
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
I dont think either really have much interest in actually playing but would if they needed to to prove their point. Theres been significant pushback from biological women at all levels. High School. College, Olympics, and some from pro sports too that arent scared to speak.
White has a daughter and Kanter has always been against things like this. Theyre very likely trying to get the policy changed or I guess trying to force a change would probably be more accurate
I am Liberal by nature and pretty open-minded, but this whole “Trans” issue makes me wanna power puke. I can’t seem to wrap my head around how confused everyone is and the way things get twisted up and worded so as not to offend anyone. Terms like “biological male” or “assigned at birth” are just so silly and stupid.
There comes a time when someone somewhere needs to say ENOUGH ALREADY. I have reached that point.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
The good news is that you don’t have to pick one side or the other because both extremes are foolish positions. There’s an episode of Eastbound and Down with Will Ferrell as a car salesman… anyways. All I could see was “nice muscle shirt”
@bgr said:
The good news is that you don’t have to pick one side or the other because both extremes are foolish positions. There’s an episode of Eastbound and Down with Will Ferrell as a car salesman… anyways. All I could see was “nice muscle shirt”
yes , but one side is totally absurd and common sense tells you which one it is.
@bgr said:
The good news is that you don’t have to pick one side or the other because both extremes are foolish positions. There’s an episode of Eastbound and Down with Will Ferrell as a car salesman… anyways. All I could see was “nice muscle shirt”
yes , but one side is totally absurd and common sense tells you which one it is.
Honestly they’re both just as ridiculous to me. One side is entitled and the other is arbitrary and simple minded.
I cannot wait to see how the WNBA backpedals their way out of this and gives every excuse in the book and how this situation is "Different"
I mean it is obvious these NBA guys are just trying to make a point, the best thing the WNBA could do is say "Cone on in and play" I couldn't imagine these guys actually stepping onto the court, even if they did I would hope they would make a joke about it and not injure anyone
@Basebal21 said:
One side is based in biology and science the other feelings
If you want to discuss the science of things you might learn about sociology which is also a science. We live in a reality and whether identity is meaningful to me or not it is to others. I see that as a separate issue from sports which could make the right decision for the individual. It’s not that much critical thought. I mean come on. How is this even a thing?
@Basebal21 said:
One side is based in biology and science the other feelings
If you want to discuss the science of things you might learn about sociology which is also a science. We live in a reality and whether identity is meaningful to me or not it is to others. I see that as a separate issue from sports which could make the right decision for the individual. It’s not that much critical thought. I mean come on. How is this even a thing?
Im not going down this rabbit hole of feelings science over biology. All Ill say is when a body gets found in an archaeological excavation they go by bone structure which is different and will be true in the future.
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Nabors and Daniels
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When I hear "Nabors and Daniels" My mind goes here.............
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
They basically did nothing. Betting on a game you're playing in is more than nothing. Nothing got Mantle & Mays banned for life. So, yeah, Pete would've gotten SOMETHING.
No. They bet on a regular season game.
Mantle and Mays were already in the HOF when Kuhn banned them for taking greerer and ambassador roles in Atlantic City casinos. If you are trying to say what Kuhn thought and did was reasonable and thus it's a measure of substance I think that's the main point of contention.
I think you're just having trouble seeing past the scope and intent. Had they been trying to keep it secret or had it been for a meaningful amount then I would deem it requiring punishment. In this case it was something that does not smell like gambling to me. I have great difficulty seeing it as something meaningful and I can't see why there is a need to try to juxtapose it into some other wildly different situation.
It's weirdly illogical to me the thought that this is significant in any way. Pete Rose was a POS who was guilty of statutory rape... and he bet on baseball as a player and manager thousands of times. The conclusion of the investigation was that even betting only to win distorted how he managed his team. His varying bets were viewed as a signal as a passive bet against the Reds on days when he did not wager to win or bet a small amount instead. Anyways. That seems like the same thing to you. Good luck with that.
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Jeez, that was kinda stupid to do that AND post it online. And then the WNBA buried it - guess they don't want anymore attention......
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
The whole thing is stupid. Why did they think that was OK? Why did the NBA endorse it?? Why did they Homer Simpson it? Why did it become political? We are in the Matrix.
That's not at all what I'm saying. First, Mantle & Mays getting banned was nonsense. Second, I was saying if Pete had publicly bet on a game - just the one incident - he'd have gotten punished by Kuhn since Kuhn punished guys who didn't do anything wrong. Not sure how you missed the point since this all started with you asking, "If this is what Pete was guilty of"? So, no, I'm not equating what he actually did with Mantle/Mays or Bueckers/Reese. I'm answering the question YOU asked.
Well. If we are gonna offshoot from Clark and just make this a general WNBA thread - let's run with this..............is this even real?????????
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"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
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His PRA over/under for each game might be around 100. 😂
Tabe
That’s not the question I asked but I think I got my answer. You think this was about a bet and I don’t think I can help you with that. But I think I know what this is really about for you.
Its real and unless they change their rules and stop defending men in womens sports hes eligible and can sue if he doesnt get drafted. Dudes 6'10 its going to be like seeing a dad play against his 6 year old
Fire AJ Preller
https://x.com/PaddocastSports/status/2085956186244071756
Fire AJ Preller
Good!!!
Royce White whose career didnt work out as a former first round NBA draft pick has also declared
Fire AJ Preller
man, those two dudes, i mean women are going to be absolute menaces in that league.
maybe i will watch my first wnba game!!
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
If they dont make rule changes and stop virtue signaling about it theyre either going to get sued a lot or the league will turn into former NBA players and G league level college guys
Fire AJ Preller
This gets funnier and funnier. The WNBA and Team presidents and owners are going to meet to determine what a woman is lol
Fire AJ Preller
I'm hoping Rodman gets into the WNBA Draft too!
He'd fit right in........
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
Stuff like this was predictable 50 years ago, I'm surprised it has taken this long to finally happen. In the 1970's there would occasionally be a High School girl who try to work the court system to be able to play Football, Baseball or something. It was back when about the only thing for a High School girl to compete in was Volleyball and Field Hockey. They didn't even have girls BB or Fast Pitch Softball yet, at least not in my school district.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
I read reports about Enes Cantor and Royce White.
The Royce White report indicated, in summary, that he decided he identified as female and that in the future he may identify differently.
What that conveys to me is that one's gender is not determined by biology, instead it is determined by an individual's choice (isn't that the position taken by supporters of Trans athletes being able to compete in women's sports?).
If a person's choice determines gender then Enes Kantor's and Royce White's choice must be honored and respected. Thus they should be able to declare for the WNBA draft.
It would be interesting to see a current NBA star ( i.e. Jalen Brown) if he chooses to identify as a male today. He should play in the NBA in the upcoming season. When that season is over for Jalen Brown if he the changes his mind the following day and chooses to identify as a female she should play in the WNBA in its next season.
The outcome of such a system will eventually be that no biological women will ever make a WNBA roster (because all roster spots will be taken by biological males who choose to identify as female (if only for the length of a WNBA season)).
It will be interesting to see how this all plays out with the powers that be in the WNBA.
A solution would be to create two new leagues.
One whose rosters are filled with biological males who choose to identify as female.
The other league would be one whose rosters are filled with biological females who choose to identify as males (it is interesting that this type of gender identity either does not exist, or it does exist but it is paid no attention by the media, interest groups and the public).
Maybe the leagues should just make an individual decision. It should be pretty easy. I don’t know if there are any trans leagues but I guess that’s what women did when they wanted to play. I saw the movie with Madonna and Tom Hanks.
WNBA Commissioner Cathy Engelbert PANICS, Sends Memo Calling Biological Males in Women’s Sports “Complex and Nuanced” After Enes Freedom and Royce White Declare for the Draft
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
Gotta love it..................
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
I dont think either really have much interest in actually playing but would if they needed to to prove their point. Theres been significant pushback from biological women at all levels. High School. College, Olympics, and some from pro sports too that arent scared to speak.
White has a daughter and Kanter has always been against things like this. Theyre very likely trying to get the policy changed or I guess trying to force a change would probably be more accurate
Fire AJ Preller
Is that a muscle shirt?
I am Liberal by nature and pretty open-minded, but this whole “Trans” issue makes me wanna power puke. I can’t seem to wrap my head around how confused everyone is and the way things get twisted up and worded so as not to offend anyone. Terms like “biological male” or “assigned at birth” are just so silly and stupid.
There comes a time when someone somewhere needs to say ENOUGH ALREADY. I have reached that point.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
The good news is that you don’t have to pick one side or the other because both extremes are foolish positions. There’s an episode of Eastbound and Down with Will Ferrell as a car salesman… anyways. All I could see was “nice muscle shirt”
yes , but one side is totally absurd and common sense tells you which one it is.
Honestly they’re both just as ridiculous to me. One side is entitled and the other is arbitrary and simple minded.
One side is based in biology and science the other feelings
Fire AJ Preller
I cannot wait to see how the WNBA backpedals their way out of this and gives every excuse in the book and how this situation is "Different"
I mean it is obvious these NBA guys are just trying to make a point, the best thing the WNBA could do is say "Cone on in and play" I couldn't imagine these guys actually stepping onto the court, even if they did I would hope they would make a joke about it and not injure anyone
If you want to discuss the science of things you might learn about sociology which is also a science. We live in a reality and whether identity is meaningful to me or not it is to others. I see that as a separate issue from sports which could make the right decision for the individual. It’s not that much critical thought. I mean come on. How is this even a thing?
Im not going down this rabbit hole of feelings science over biology. All Ill say is when a body gets found in an archaeological excavation they go by bone structure which is different and will be true in the future.
Fire AJ Preller