It's not just leaving Clark off it…. It's literally not including anyone of importance on the team!
I honestly don't care what statement they make. I just find it bizarre how afraid the commissioner is of saying or doing the wrong thing. A complete coward who is deathly afraid of the players.
@PaulMaul said:
It's not just leaving Clark off it…. It's literally not including anyone of importance on the team!
I honestly don't care what statement they make. I just find it bizarre how afraid the commissioner is of saying or doing the wrong thing. A complete coward who is deathly afraid of the players.
I really don't know the dynamics of the team so I wasn't aware the players on the poster were not ones who would be seen on posters. Is it normal for the stars on the teams to be the ones which are represented always in the WNBA? The Bucks used to do it where they would have just Bobby Portis or Pat Connaughton so I just figured it was a rights issue or something related to the CBA.
I keep asking what statement you want them to make because I don't know what I would say if I'm CEO of the WNBA (Commish.). I am going to want to walk that line as much as possible unless I see real advantage to picking a side. Not my circus... not my monkeys. You're either trying to educate a society which is devoid of interest in learning what biology really tells us or you're picking a side in a social fight which is going on. I think generally you're going to stay quiet. I can't even see the near-term benefit in picking a side here. Just shhh. That's what I would do. Coward? bah. That's ego. Only a moron would take that bait.
@PaulMaul said:
It's not just leaving Clark off it…. It's literally not including anyone of importance on the team!
I honestly don't care what statement they make. I just find it bizarre how afraid the commissioner is of saying or doing the wrong thing. A complete coward who is deathly afraid of the players.
Worst commish in sports and MLB and Manfred so that says a lot
@bgr said:
As I understand it biology determines sex based on a few diagnostic criteria which are related to chromosomes, hormones, and the parts. In nature there are cases which do not fall into distinct male vs. female categories. man/woman are not diagnostic terms as much as they are descriptive. Science is the foundation for understanding things better vs. worse. I'm still not convinced any of this is a problem that deserves the amount of attention it is receiving.
So in your view, can you change what biology is determining? Would Lia Thomas(the former college swimmer) be eligible for the WNBA without any of the current disdain the WNBA is putting toward these two current NBA players wanting to try??
Your question is poorly formed so I’m assuming you mean to ask if I think a person can change their biological sex.
You wouldn’t be able to change your chromosomes so you can’t change your biological sex. Which doesn’t always mean man or woman because nature doesn’t respect those distinctions.
I don’t know anything about Lia Thomas other than it was a trans-woman I suppose and they looked like they had an unfair advantage from a physiological perspective. We’re going to have to wait until there’s a legitimate case where someone who was not born as a biological female will want to join the WNBA. It’s likely to be something more close to reality such as an actual intersex person.
Is the WNBA putting disdain towards those nice boys. They’re so brave.
This is the problem you have in the WNBA…a number of people who can't separate the idea of basic competitive fairness from their emotions surrounding inclusivity, acceptance, love, etc. I can admire those feelings and share them without wanting to let biological men play against women.
This is the head coach of the Golden State Valkyries….
@bgr said:
Your question is poorly formed so I’m assuming you mean to ask if I think a person can change their biological sex.
You wouldn’t be able to change your chromosomes so you can’t change your biological sex. Which doesn’t always mean man or woman because nature doesn’t respect those distinctions.
I don’t know anything about Lia Thomas other than it was a trans-woman I suppose and they looked like they had an unfair advantage from a physiological perspective. We’re going to have to wait until there’s a legitimate case where someone who was not born as a biological female will want to join the WNBA. It’s likely to be something more close to reality such as an actual intersex person.
Is the WNBA putting disdain towards those nice boys. They’re so brave.
That was a poorly worded answer.
Can a biological human male become a human female? The physiological advantage is what the whole thing boils down to in these cases. It has nothing to do with how someone views themselves or how they define man or woman.
I've heard people try to undermine the fairness argument by arguing that even among a single gender there are players with a biological advantage over other players, which is of course true and part of sports.
I would argue that player ability is distributed about a mean for each gender. The problem is that in most sports the male mean is so far above the female mean that a mixed league based purely on merit would be all male. That reality is the source of the fairness issue.
@bgr said:
Your question is poorly formed so I’m assuming you mean to ask if I think a person can change their biological sex.
You wouldn’t be able to change your chromosomes so you can’t change your biological sex. Which doesn’t always mean man or woman because nature doesn’t respect those distinctions.
I don’t know anything about Lia Thomas other than it was a trans-woman I suppose and they looked like they had an unfair advantage from a physiological perspective. We’re going to have to wait until there’s a legitimate case where someone who was not born as a biological female will want to join the WNBA. It’s likely to be something more close to reality such as an actual intersex person.
Is the WNBA putting disdain towards those nice boys. They’re so brave.
That was a poorly worded answer.
Can a biological human male become a human female? The physiological advantage is what the whole thing boils down to in these cases. It has nothing to do with how someone views themselves or how they define man or woman.
There is sex, and there is gender, and there is gender identity. Those, as I understand things, are how we’re supposed to unravel individuals. What that means for sports and society and different sports and their leagues is not a one shoe fits all. The WNBA could allow men to play or only women or only trans women and that would be the rules of the WNBA. Not a rule on sports or a clarification on science because we don’t look to the WNBA to solve social issues or promote general sports policy.
So I guess I don’t understand either the question or how my answer was poorly worded. I can’t take an extreme stance on something which is being very clumsily reasoned. Is there a specific question you want me to answer which would be your ah-ha?
This whole thing doesn’t seem like it requires much higher order thinking.
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It's not just leaving Clark off it…. It's literally not including anyone of importance on the team!
I honestly don't care what statement they make. I just find it bizarre how afraid the commissioner is of saying or doing the wrong thing. A complete coward who is deathly afraid of the players.
I really don't know the dynamics of the team so I wasn't aware the players on the poster were not ones who would be seen on posters. Is it normal for the stars on the teams to be the ones which are represented always in the WNBA? The Bucks used to do it where they would have just Bobby Portis or Pat Connaughton so I just figured it was a rights issue or something related to the CBA.
I keep asking what statement you want them to make because I don't know what I would say if I'm CEO of the WNBA (Commish.). I am going to want to walk that line as much as possible unless I see real advantage to picking a side. Not my circus... not my monkeys. You're either trying to educate a society which is devoid of interest in learning what biology really tells us or you're picking a side in a social fight which is going on. I think generally you're going to stay quiet. I can't even see the near-term benefit in picking a side here. Just shhh. That's what I would do. Coward? bah. That's ego. Only a moron would take that bait.
Worst commish in sports and MLB and Manfred so that says a lot
Fire AJ Preller
So in your view, can you change what biology is determining? Would Lia Thomas(the former college swimmer) be eligible for the WNBA without any of the current disdain the WNBA is putting toward these two current NBA players wanting to try??
Your question is poorly formed so I’m assuming you mean to ask if I think a person can change their biological sex.
You wouldn’t be able to change your chromosomes so you can’t change your biological sex. Which doesn’t always mean man or woman because nature doesn’t respect those distinctions.
I don’t know anything about Lia Thomas other than it was a trans-woman I suppose and they looked like they had an unfair advantage from a physiological perspective. We’re going to have to wait until there’s a legitimate case where someone who was not born as a biological female will want to join the WNBA. It’s likely to be something more close to reality such as an actual intersex person.
Is the WNBA putting disdain towards those nice boys. They’re so brave.
This is what we have over in a French league….
I don’t know the details. Haven’t gotten into the French women’s basketball yet.
I don't know the details either, except for the fact that this is clearly a 6’3” muscular man playing against women. 🤷♂️
This is the problem you have in the WNBA…a number of people who can't separate the idea of basic competitive fairness from their emotions surrounding inclusivity, acceptance, love, etc. I can admire those feelings and share them without wanting to let biological men play against women.
This is the head coach of the Golden State Valkyries….
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That was a poorly worded answer.
Can a biological human male become a human female? The physiological advantage is what the whole thing boils down to in these cases. It has nothing to do with how someone views themselves or how they define man or woman.
I've heard people try to undermine the fairness argument by arguing that even among a single gender there are players with a biological advantage over other players, which is of course true and part of sports.
I would argue that player ability is distributed about a mean for each gender. The problem is that in most sports the male mean is so far above the female mean that a mixed league based purely on merit would be all male. That reality is the source of the fairness issue.
There is sex, and there is gender, and there is gender identity. Those, as I understand things, are how we’re supposed to unravel individuals. What that means for sports and society and different sports and their leagues is not a one shoe fits all. The WNBA could allow men to play or only women or only trans women and that would be the rules of the WNBA. Not a rule on sports or a clarification on science because we don’t look to the WNBA to solve social issues or promote general sports policy.
So I guess I don’t understand either the question or how my answer was poorly worded. I can’t take an extreme stance on something which is being very clumsily reasoned. Is there a specific question you want me to answer which would be your ah-ha?
This whole thing doesn’t seem like it requires much higher order thinking.