It's not just leaving Clark off it…. It's literally not including anyone of importance on the team!
I honestly don't care what statement they make. I just find it bizarre how afraid the commissioner is of saying or doing the wrong thing. A complete coward who is deathly afraid of the players.
@PaulMaul said:
It's not just leaving Clark off it…. It's literally not including anyone of importance on the team!
I honestly don't care what statement they make. I just find it bizarre how afraid the commissioner is of saying or doing the wrong thing. A complete coward who is deathly afraid of the players.
I really don't know the dynamics of the team so I wasn't aware the players on the poster were not ones who would be seen on posters. Is it normal for the stars on the teams to be the ones which are represented always in the WNBA? The Bucks used to do it where they would have just Bobby Portis or Pat Connaughton so I just figured it was a rights issue or something related to the CBA.
I keep asking what statement you want them to make because I don't know what I would say if I'm CEO of the WNBA (Commish.). I am going to want to walk that line as much as possible unless I see real advantage to picking a side. Not my circus... not my monkeys. You're either trying to educate a society which is devoid of interest in learning what biology really tells us or you're picking a side in a social fight which is going on. I think generally you're going to stay quiet. I can't even see the near-term benefit in picking a side here. Just shhh. That's what I would do. Coward? bah. That's ego. Only a moron would take that bait.
@PaulMaul said:
It's not just leaving Clark off it…. It's literally not including anyone of importance on the team!
I honestly don't care what statement they make. I just find it bizarre how afraid the commissioner is of saying or doing the wrong thing. A complete coward who is deathly afraid of the players.
Worst commish in sports and MLB and Manfred so that says a lot
@bgr said:
As I understand it biology determines sex based on a few diagnostic criteria which are related to chromosomes, hormones, and the parts. In nature there are cases which do not fall into distinct male vs. female categories. man/woman are not diagnostic terms as much as they are descriptive. Science is the foundation for understanding things better vs. worse. I'm still not convinced any of this is a problem that deserves the amount of attention it is receiving.
So in your view, can you change what biology is determining? Would Lia Thomas(the former college swimmer) be eligible for the WNBA without any of the current disdain the WNBA is putting toward these two current NBA players wanting to try??
Your question is poorly formed so I’m assuming you mean to ask if I think a person can change their biological sex.
You wouldn’t be able to change your chromosomes so you can’t change your biological sex. Which doesn’t always mean man or woman because nature doesn’t respect those distinctions.
I don’t know anything about Lia Thomas other than it was a trans-woman I suppose and they looked like they had an unfair advantage from a physiological perspective. We’re going to have to wait until there’s a legitimate case where someone who was not born as a biological female will want to join the WNBA. It’s likely to be something more close to reality such as an actual intersex person.
Is the WNBA putting disdain towards those nice boys. They’re so brave.
This is the problem you have in the WNBA…a number of people who can't separate the idea of basic competitive fairness from their emotions surrounding inclusivity, acceptance, love, etc. I can admire those feelings and share them without wanting to let biological men play against women.
This is the head coach of the Golden State Valkyries….
@bgr said:
Your question is poorly formed so I’m assuming you mean to ask if I think a person can change their biological sex.
You wouldn’t be able to change your chromosomes so you can’t change your biological sex. Which doesn’t always mean man or woman because nature doesn’t respect those distinctions.
I don’t know anything about Lia Thomas other than it was a trans-woman I suppose and they looked like they had an unfair advantage from a physiological perspective. We’re going to have to wait until there’s a legitimate case where someone who was not born as a biological female will want to join the WNBA. It’s likely to be something more close to reality such as an actual intersex person.
Is the WNBA putting disdain towards those nice boys. They’re so brave.
That was a poorly worded answer.
Can a biological human male become a human female? The physiological advantage is what the whole thing boils down to in these cases. It has nothing to do with how someone views themselves or how they define man or woman.
I've heard people try to undermine the fairness argument by arguing that even among a single gender there are players with a biological advantage over other players, which is of course true and part of sports.
I would argue that player ability is distributed about a mean for each gender. The problem is that in most sports the male mean is so far above the female mean that a mixed league based purely on merit would be all male. That reality is the source of the fairness issue.
@bgr said:
Your question is poorly formed so I’m assuming you mean to ask if I think a person can change their biological sex.
You wouldn’t be able to change your chromosomes so you can’t change your biological sex. Which doesn’t always mean man or woman because nature doesn’t respect those distinctions.
I don’t know anything about Lia Thomas other than it was a trans-woman I suppose and they looked like they had an unfair advantage from a physiological perspective. We’re going to have to wait until there’s a legitimate case where someone who was not born as a biological female will want to join the WNBA. It’s likely to be something more close to reality such as an actual intersex person.
Is the WNBA putting disdain towards those nice boys. They’re so brave.
That was a poorly worded answer.
Can a biological human male become a human female? The physiological advantage is what the whole thing boils down to in these cases. It has nothing to do with how someone views themselves or how they define man or woman.
There is sex, and there is gender, and there is gender identity. Those, as I understand things, are how we’re supposed to unravel individuals. What that means for sports and society and different sports and their leagues is not a one shoe fits all. The WNBA could allow men to play or only women or only trans women and that would be the rules of the WNBA. Not a rule on sports or a clarification on science because we don’t look to the WNBA to solve social issues or promote general sports policy.
So I guess I don’t understand either the question or how my answer was poorly worded. I can’t take an extreme stance on something which is being very clumsily reasoned. Is there a specific question you want me to answer which would be your ah-ha?
This whole thing doesn’t seem like it requires much higher order thinking.
I think the easiest solution is there should be Mens sports and Woman Sports governed by if you were born a Man you can only play men's sports, if you were born a woman you can only play woman's sports
From what I have seen regarding the unfairness of a trans person in sports is pretty much always a Man changing to a woman and playing against woman
Are there any examples of a Woman changing into a man and competing in men's leagues?
I believe in free will and an adult ( Not Kids ).making their own choices regarding their own bodies however I also believe in rules and fairness in competition
It certainly is hard to balance respect for individuals without imbalance to girls sports. And I say girls because I don’t know that I care about women’s sports. Those leagues can sort their own rules out. I really only care what happens in youth and collegiate levels. If the WNBA wants you to allow trans women then maybe each team should get to have 1 man. That could be interesting. Maybe 3 women, 1 man, and an item you bring with you. Like naked and afraid. But with clothes.
@bgr said:
Your question is poorly formed so I’m assuming you mean to ask if I think a person can change their biological sex.
You wouldn’t be able to change your chromosomes so you can’t change your biological sex. Which doesn’t always mean man or woman because nature doesn’t respect those distinctions.
I don’t know anything about Lia Thomas other than it was a trans-woman I suppose and they looked like they had an unfair advantage from a physiological perspective. We’re going to have to wait until there’s a legitimate case where someone who was not born as a biological female will want to join the WNBA. It’s likely to be something more close to reality such as an actual intersex person.
Is the WNBA putting disdain towards those nice boys. They’re so brave.
That was a poorly worded answer.
Can a biological human male become a human female? The physiological advantage is what the whole thing boils down to in these cases. It has nothing to do with how someone views themselves or how they define man or woman.
There is sex, and there is gender, and there is gender identity. Those, as I understand things, are how we’re supposed to unravel individuals. What that means for sports and society and different sports and their leagues is not a one shoe fits all. The WNBA could allow men to play or only women or only trans women and that would be the rules of the WNBA. Not a rule on sports or a clarification on science because we don’t look to the WNBA to solve social issues or promote general sports policy.
So I guess I don’t understand either the question or how my answer was poorly worded. I can’t take an extreme stance on something which is being very clumsily reasoned. Is there a specific question you want me to answer which would be your ah-ha?
This whole thing doesn’t seem like it requires much higher order thinking.
I already asked, can a biological human male become a human female? Nothing clumsy, nor clarification needed for that question.
Whether someone identifies internally in regard to behavior that is typically associated with being a human male or human female, is a different topic. I'm not discussing that. To each their own.
The physiological advantage is really what it boils down to in regard to the sports topic, as it does affect other humans within the sport.
@perkdog said:
I think the easiest solution is there should be Mens sports and Woman Sports governed by if you were born a Man you can only play men's sports, if you were born a woman you can only play woman's sports
From what I have seen regarding the unfairness of a trans person in sports is pretty much always a Man changing to a woman and playing against woman
Are there any examples of a Woman changing into a man and competing in men's leagues?
I believe in free will and an adult ( Not Kids ).making their own choices regarding their own bodies however I also believe in rules and fairness in competition
The thing no one ever talks about is that they arent banned from sports, they just need to play against men and not steal accolades from actual women.
A 15 and under male soccer team beat the defending gold medalist World Cup champion USA womens team several years ago. Lea Thomas was complete crap swimming against men at Harvard not even rated in the top 200 then becomes number 1 against women, makes them uncomfortable getting boners that the school silenced them (shocking for PSU right lol) and theyre now speaking up about it.
Riley Gaines who did finish second and got robbed by that guy put it best. She married a male swimmer from UK and she swam at UK and was one of the best in the country. What she said was basically I was much more decorated in accolades than he was but he kicks my butt every time head to head.
@bgr said:
Your question is poorly formed so I’m assuming you mean to ask if I think a person can change their biological sex.
You wouldn’t be able to change your chromosomes so you can’t change your biological sex. Which doesn’t always mean man or woman because nature doesn’t respect those distinctions.
I don’t know anything about Lia Thomas other than it was a trans-woman I suppose and they looked like they had an unfair advantage from a physiological perspective. We’re going to have to wait until there’s a legitimate case where someone who was not born as a biological female will want to join the WNBA. It’s likely to be something more close to reality such as an actual intersex person.
Is the WNBA putting disdain towards those nice boys. They’re so brave.
That was a poorly worded answer.
Can a biological human male become a human female? The physiological advantage is what the whole thing boils down to in these cases. It has nothing to do with how someone views themselves or how they define man or woman.
There is sex, and there is gender, and there is gender identity. Those, as I understand things, are how we’re supposed to unravel individuals. What that means for sports and society and different sports and their leagues is not a one shoe fits all. The WNBA could allow men to play or only women or only trans women and that would be the rules of the WNBA. Not a rule on sports or a clarification on science because we don’t look to the WNBA to solve social issues or promote general sports policy.
So I guess I don’t understand either the question or how my answer was poorly worded. I can’t take an extreme stance on something which is being very clumsily reasoned. Is there a specific question you want me to answer which would be your ah-ha?
This whole thing doesn’t seem like it requires much higher order thinking.
I already asked, can a biological human male become a human female? Nothing clumsy, nor clarification needed for that question.
Whether someone identifies internally in regard to behavior that is typically associated with being a human male or human female, is a different topic. I'm not discussing that. To each their own.
The physiological advantage is really what it boils down to in regard to the sports topic, as it does affect other humans within the sport.
Male and Female are evolutionary terms. I would stick with sex as the term for scientific clarity.
Here was your question.
So in your view, can you change what biology is determining? Would Lia Thomas(the former college swimmer) be eligible for the WNBA without any of the current disdain the WNBA is putting toward these two current NBA players wanting to try??
Do you see the difference? Asking me whether a person can change their biology is nebulous at best. So I clarified it and answered the question I assumed you were asking.
Gender has become more of a social construct with deterministic sex being determined by biology. Biology in general is affected by environment and medication and life choices among other things. Are you at war with reason, science, or both? This topic is not about social constructs. That’s twice you’ve pretended your question was clear - can a person change their biology? Yup. Can they change their biological sex? Nope.
@bgr said:
"As I understand it biology determines sex based on a few diagnostic criteria which are related to chromosomes, hormones, and the parts."
Those are your words, so instead of dancing around the question, can a person change that 'sex' that you said biology determines, and change it to the opposite sex??
In your words, you said "Biology determines sex"...and I am asking can a person change their sex that biology has determined?? Either they can or they can't.
Reading this thread has caused me to venture into the world of Science Fiction books.
The four Space Odyssey books by Arthur C. Clarke touched upon intelligent life in the Universe existing millions and billions of years ago. When such intelligent life evolved to the point where it left its home planet to expand to other worlds, it also evolved to the point where their bodies (flesh and blood) were replaced with artificial parts. Eventually the need for bodies of flesh and blood no longer existed and the life form migrated to bodies made completely of artificial parts that never wore out. Consciousness transferred from a biological body (with all of its frailties) to a container that never wore out and that could perform at levels a biological body never could. Eventually the need for a physical body became unnecessary as consciousness transferred into pure energy itself.
Very far out thinking.
However, if humanity continues to evolve and eventually one's consciousness/mind/spirit/soul migrates from a flesh and blood biological container [we already have moved in that direction with hip replacements, knee replacements, etc.] into a manufactured container [i.e. a robot body that never wears out, never breaks down and has powers and abilities far beyond those of any human (ergo everyone can do the same thing, including physical feats of strength, speed, agility, etc.)], would male sports, female sports, transgender sports and the current debates evidenced by posts to this thread have any purpose or meaning?
As for the current debate, what causes my head to spin and what causes me to chuckle at the same time is the concept that one can:
IDENTIFY
as a male, as a female, or somewhere in between and have the choice be the final say in things.
A segment of society places great emphasis on persons, including children, IDENTIFYING as one gender or another; and insists that persons who choose to so IDENTIFY must have their choice honored/respected; and also those persons must be encouraged to act upon such choice by undergoing medical, surgical and/or counseling to Transition.
Those who disagree with persons being able to and encouraged to identify as one gender or another (including the parents of the children) are viewed with suspicion, and disdain.
Why the segment of society mentioned above is a proponent of persons so identifying is something I fail to understand (What is its motivation?). However its position is one which approves of a person's right to MAKE A CHOICE (to Identify as one gender or another).
If a person who makes a Choice to Identify must have that choice honored and respected, then I fail to understand why the choice of Kanter and White to Identify as women so that they can declare for the WNBA draft is not to be honored and respected. Their motivation in making their Choice simply does not matter and it would be inappropriate to ask them to explain their motivations.
Of course, many will refuse to apply their position regarding Identifying as one gender or another equally to all situations. Any refusal to do so illustrates much.
Carry on with this very important matter and resolve all disputes as our society does need to progress forward to a glorious future.
@bgr said:
"As I understand it biology determines sex based on a few diagnostic criteria which are related to chromosomes, hormones, and the parts."
Those are your words, so instead of dancing around the question, can a person change that 'sex' that you said biology determines, and change it to the opposite sex??
In your words, you said "Biology determines sex"...and I am asking can a person change their sex that biology has determined?? Either they can or they can't.
It’s called biological sex and I’ve answered a few times now. One cannot. This is the way. Please keep asking.
@bgr said:
"As I understand it biology determines sex based on a few diagnostic criteria which are related to chromosomes, hormones, and the parts."
Those are your words, so instead of dancing around the question, can a person change that 'sex' that you said biology determines, and change it to the opposite sex??
In your words, you said "Biology determines sex"...and I am asking can a person change their sex that biology has determined?? Either they can or they can't.
It’s called biological sex and I’ve answered a few times now. One cannot. This is the way. Please keep asking.
Took you several waltz's, tango's, and foxtrot's before you truly did. Or, I may just be a meathead athlete and I missed it within the dance arounds. Carry on.
@bgr said:
"As I understand it biology determines sex based on a few diagnostic criteria which are related to chromosomes, hormones, and the parts."
Those are your words, so instead of dancing around the question, can a person change that 'sex' that you said biology determines, and change it to the opposite sex??
In your words, you said "Biology determines sex"...and I am asking can a person change their sex that biology has determined?? Either they can or they can't.
It’s called biological sex and I’ve answered a few times now. One cannot. This is the way. Please keep asking.
Took you several waltz's, tango's, and foxtrot's before you truly did. Or, I may just be a meathead athlete and I missed it within the dance arounds. Carry on.
@Basebal21 said:
A 15 and under male soccer team beat the defending gold medalist World Cup champion USA womens team several years ago. Lea Thomas was complete crap swimming against men at Harvard not even rated in the top 200 then becomes number 1 against women, makes them uncomfortable getting boners that the school silenced them (shocking for PSU right lol) and theyre now speaking up about it.
You spew a lot of uneducated crap on these boards but confusing Penn State and the University of Pennsylvania (aka Penn) is really inexcusable.
@Basebal21 said:
A 15 and under male soccer team beat the defending gold medalist World Cup champion USA womens team several years ago. Lea Thomas was complete crap swimming against men at Harvard not even rated in the top 200 then becomes number 1 against women, makes them uncomfortable getting boners that the school silenced them (shocking for PSU right lol) and theyre now speaking up about it.
You spew a lot of uneducated crap on these boards but confusing Penn State and the University of Pennsylvania (aka Penn) is really inexcusable.
Guessing you went to PSU from the way you responded. Both schools have done the thing my bad it was the one not that far away
Not sure if this was mentioned before or not, as I haven't been following the thread lately. The checkmate in all this is men and women have different skeletal structures, and of course that is impossible to change.
From a personal standpoint, I have been strongly in favor of women's rights since I can remember. Every spot that some male takes in women's sports, is a job, trophy, award, scholarship, etc, that should have gone to a woman. To me, men in women's sports is unacceptable.
@Basebal21 said:
A 15 and under male soccer team beat the defending gold medalist World Cup champion USA womens team several years ago. Lea Thomas was complete crap swimming against men at Harvard not even rated in the top 200 then becomes number 1 against women, makes them uncomfortable getting boners that the school silenced them (shocking for PSU right lol) and theyre now speaking up about it.
You spew a lot of uneducated crap on these boards but confusing Penn State and the University of Pennsylvania (aka Penn) is really inexcusable.
Guessing you went to PSU from the way you responded. Both schools have done the thing my bad it was the one not that far away
What are you even saying? Yes, I went to Penn St. What happened at Penn St isn’t even comparable to the Lia Thomas situation - the Penn situation is nothing in comparison yet you decided to lump them together because they happened in the same state and you don’t know the difference between the Ivy League school and the state school? And, yes, I fixed the athlete’s name for you - not only are you unable to get the school right, you don’t even know the athlete’s name.
@Basebal21 said:
A 15 and under male soccer team beat the defending gold medalist World Cup champion USA womens team several years ago. Lea Thomas was complete crap swimming against men at Harvard not even rated in the top 200 then becomes number 1 against women, makes them uncomfortable getting boners that the school silenced them (shocking for PSU right lol) and theyre now speaking up about it.
You spew a lot of uneducated crap on these boards but confusing Penn State and the University of Pennsylvania (aka Penn) is really inexcusable.
Guessing you went to PSU from the way you responded. Both schools have done the thing my bad it was the one not that far away
What are you even saying? Yes, I went to Penn St. What happened at Penn St isn’t even comparable to the Lia Thomas situation - the Penn situation is nothing in comparison yet you decided to lump them together because they happened in the same state and you don’t know the difference between the Ivy League school and the state school? And, yes, I fixed the athlete’s name for you - not only are you unable to get the school right, you don’t even know the athlete’s name.
What Im saying is oh no I forgot a school one time. I dont really care which one changes nothing and PSU has its own history thats actually worse
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It's not just leaving Clark off it…. It's literally not including anyone of importance on the team!
I honestly don't care what statement they make. I just find it bizarre how afraid the commissioner is of saying or doing the wrong thing. A complete coward who is deathly afraid of the players.
I really don't know the dynamics of the team so I wasn't aware the players on the poster were not ones who would be seen on posters. Is it normal for the stars on the teams to be the ones which are represented always in the WNBA? The Bucks used to do it where they would have just Bobby Portis or Pat Connaughton so I just figured it was a rights issue or something related to the CBA.
I keep asking what statement you want them to make because I don't know what I would say if I'm CEO of the WNBA (Commish.). I am going to want to walk that line as much as possible unless I see real advantage to picking a side. Not my circus... not my monkeys. You're either trying to educate a society which is devoid of interest in learning what biology really tells us or you're picking a side in a social fight which is going on. I think generally you're going to stay quiet. I can't even see the near-term benefit in picking a side here. Just shhh. That's what I would do. Coward? bah. That's ego. Only a moron would take that bait.
Worst commish in sports and MLB and Manfred so that says a lot
Fire AJ Preller
So in your view, can you change what biology is determining? Would Lia Thomas(the former college swimmer) be eligible for the WNBA without any of the current disdain the WNBA is putting toward these two current NBA players wanting to try??
Your question is poorly formed so I’m assuming you mean to ask if I think a person can change their biological sex.
You wouldn’t be able to change your chromosomes so you can’t change your biological sex. Which doesn’t always mean man or woman because nature doesn’t respect those distinctions.
I don’t know anything about Lia Thomas other than it was a trans-woman I suppose and they looked like they had an unfair advantage from a physiological perspective. We’re going to have to wait until there’s a legitimate case where someone who was not born as a biological female will want to join the WNBA. It’s likely to be something more close to reality such as an actual intersex person.
Is the WNBA putting disdain towards those nice boys. They’re so brave.
This is what we have over in a French league….
I don’t know the details. Haven’t gotten into the French women’s basketball yet.
I don't know the details either, except for the fact that this is clearly a 6’3” muscular man playing against women. 🤷♂️
This is the problem you have in the WNBA…a number of people who can't separate the idea of basic competitive fairness from their emotions surrounding inclusivity, acceptance, love, etc. I can admire those feelings and share them without wanting to let biological men play against women.
This is the head coach of the Golden State Valkyries….
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https://youtube.com/shorts/56_eEfs___M?si=ciuMkXG5fMUIbxvG
That was a poorly worded answer.
Can a biological human male become a human female? The physiological advantage is what the whole thing boils down to in these cases. It has nothing to do with how someone views themselves or how they define man or woman.
I've heard people try to undermine the fairness argument by arguing that even among a single gender there are players with a biological advantage over other players, which is of course true and part of sports.
I would argue that player ability is distributed about a mean for each gender. The problem is that in most sports the male mean is so far above the female mean that a mixed league based purely on merit would be all male. That reality is the source of the fairness issue.
There is sex, and there is gender, and there is gender identity. Those, as I understand things, are how we’re supposed to unravel individuals. What that means for sports and society and different sports and their leagues is not a one shoe fits all. The WNBA could allow men to play or only women or only trans women and that would be the rules of the WNBA. Not a rule on sports or a clarification on science because we don’t look to the WNBA to solve social issues or promote general sports policy.
So I guess I don’t understand either the question or how my answer was poorly worded. I can’t take an extreme stance on something which is being very clumsily reasoned. Is there a specific question you want me to answer which would be your ah-ha?
This whole thing doesn’t seem like it requires much higher order thinking.
I think the easiest solution is there should be Mens sports and Woman Sports governed by if you were born a Man you can only play men's sports, if you were born a woman you can only play woman's sports
From what I have seen regarding the unfairness of a trans person in sports is pretty much always a Man changing to a woman and playing against woman
Are there any examples of a Woman changing into a man and competing in men's leagues?
I believe in free will and an adult ( Not Kids ).making their own choices regarding their own bodies however I also believe in rules and fairness in competition
It certainly is hard to balance respect for individuals without imbalance to girls sports. And I say girls because I don’t know that I care about women’s sports. Those leagues can sort their own rules out. I really only care what happens in youth and collegiate levels. If the WNBA wants you to allow trans women then maybe each team should get to have 1 man. That could be interesting. Maybe 3 women, 1 man, and an item you bring with you. Like naked and afraid. But with clothes.
I already asked, can a biological human male become a human female? Nothing clumsy, nor clarification needed for that question.
Whether someone identifies internally in regard to behavior that is typically associated with being a human male or human female, is a different topic. I'm not discussing that. To each their own.
The physiological advantage is really what it boils down to in regard to the sports topic, as it does affect other humans within the sport.
The thing no one ever talks about is that they arent banned from sports, they just need to play against men and not steal accolades from actual women.
A 15 and under male soccer team beat the defending gold medalist World Cup champion USA womens team several years ago. Lea Thomas was complete crap swimming against men at Harvard not even rated in the top 200 then becomes number 1 against women, makes them uncomfortable getting boners that the school silenced them (shocking for PSU right lol) and theyre now speaking up about it.
Riley Gaines who did finish second and got robbed by that guy put it best. She married a male swimmer from UK and she swam at UK and was one of the best in the country. What she said was basically I was much more decorated in accolades than he was but he kicks my butt every time head to head.
Fire AJ Preller
Male and Female are evolutionary terms. I would stick with sex as the term for scientific clarity.
Here was your question.
Do you see the difference? Asking me whether a person can change their biology is nebulous at best. So I clarified it and answered the question I assumed you were asking.
Gender has become more of a social construct with deterministic sex being determined by biology. Biology in general is affected by environment and medication and life choices among other things. Are you at war with reason, science, or both? This topic is not about social constructs. That’s twice you’ve pretended your question was clear - can a person change their biology? Yup. Can they change their biological sex? Nope.
How does this relate to the WNBA?
@bgr
@bgr said:
"As I understand it biology determines sex based on a few diagnostic criteria which are related to chromosomes, hormones, and the parts."
Those are your words, so instead of dancing around the question, can a person change that 'sex' that you said biology determines, and change it to the opposite sex??
In your words, you said "Biology determines sex"...and I am asking can a person change their sex that biology has determined?? Either they can or they can't.
Reading this thread has caused me to venture into the world of Science Fiction books.
The four Space Odyssey books by Arthur C. Clarke touched upon intelligent life in the Universe existing millions and billions of years ago. When such intelligent life evolved to the point where it left its home planet to expand to other worlds, it also evolved to the point where their bodies (flesh and blood) were replaced with artificial parts. Eventually the need for bodies of flesh and blood no longer existed and the life form migrated to bodies made completely of artificial parts that never wore out. Consciousness transferred from a biological body (with all of its frailties) to a container that never wore out and that could perform at levels a biological body never could. Eventually the need for a physical body became unnecessary as consciousness transferred into pure energy itself.
Very far out thinking.
However, if humanity continues to evolve and eventually one's consciousness/mind/spirit/soul migrates from a flesh and blood biological container [we already have moved in that direction with hip replacements, knee replacements, etc.] into a manufactured container [i.e. a robot body that never wears out, never breaks down and has powers and abilities far beyond those of any human (ergo everyone can do the same thing, including physical feats of strength, speed, agility, etc.)], would male sports, female sports, transgender sports and the current debates evidenced by posts to this thread have any purpose or meaning?
As for the current debate, what causes my head to spin and what causes me to chuckle at the same time is the concept that one can:
IDENTIFY
as a male, as a female, or somewhere in between and have the choice be the final say in things.
A segment of society places great emphasis on persons, including children, IDENTIFYING as one gender or another; and insists that persons who choose to so IDENTIFY must have their choice honored/respected; and also those persons must be encouraged to act upon such choice by undergoing medical, surgical and/or counseling to Transition.
Those who disagree with persons being able to and encouraged to identify as one gender or another (including the parents of the children) are viewed with suspicion, and disdain.
Why the segment of society mentioned above is a proponent of persons so identifying is something I fail to understand (What is its motivation?). However its position is one which approves of a person's right to MAKE A CHOICE (to Identify as one gender or another).
If a person who makes a Choice to Identify must have that choice honored and respected, then I fail to understand why the choice of Kanter and White to Identify as women so that they can declare for the WNBA draft is not to be honored and respected. Their motivation in making their Choice simply does not matter and it would be inappropriate to ask them to explain their motivations.
Of course, many will refuse to apply their position regarding Identifying as one gender or another equally to all situations. Any refusal to do so illustrates much.
Carry on with this very important matter and resolve all disputes as our society does need to progress forward to a glorious future.
It’s called biological sex and I’ve answered a few times now. One cannot. This is the way. Please keep asking.
Took you several waltz's, tango's, and foxtrot's before you truly did. Or, I may just be a meathead athlete and I missed it within the dance arounds. Carry on.
Nope. Check again.
You spew a lot of uneducated crap on these boards but confusing Penn State and the University of Pennsylvania (aka Penn) is really inexcusable.
Jim
Guessing you went to PSU from the way you responded. Both schools have done the thing my bad it was the one not that far away
Fire AJ Preller
Not sure if this was mentioned before or not, as I haven't been following the thread lately. The checkmate in all this is men and women have different skeletal structures, and of course that is impossible to change.
From a personal standpoint, I have been strongly in favor of women's rights since I can remember. Every spot that some male takes in women's sports, is a job, trophy, award, scholarship, etc, that should have gone to a woman. To me, men in women's sports is unacceptable.
What are you even saying? Yes, I went to Penn St. What happened at Penn St isn’t even comparable to the Lia Thomas situation - the Penn situation is nothing in comparison yet you decided to lump them together because they happened in the same state and you don’t know the difference between the Ivy League school and the state school? And, yes, I fixed the athlete’s name for you - not only are you unable to get the school right, you don’t even know the athlete’s name.
Jim
What Im saying is oh no I forgot a school one time. I dont really care which one changes nothing and PSU has its own history thats actually worse
Fire AJ Preller
Bold predictions, bad science, and loose facts. You’re a legend bro. Never change.