Do you consider Liberty nickels a part of the Barber series?
Do you consider Liberty nickels a part of the Barber series?
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No.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
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No
Why would you?
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No
No 👎
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Even though by the same designer, it ran a several year different time from the dime, quarter and half.
I also prefer the Liberty nickel design over that man he put on the silver coins.
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@WinLoseWin said:
I also prefer the Liberty nickel design over that man he put on the silver coins.How dare you misgender Lady Liberty.
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It depends upon how you define "Barber series". If you mean the commonly thought of trio of dime, quarter and half dollar then no. However, if you consider it to be coins designed by Charles Barber then sure, and if you want to go farther and include his father (after all same last name) then the Trade dollar and twenty-cent piece become part of it, too.
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Barbers are their own series, as are Libertys…
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No
No.
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No.
Walkers and Mercs were both designed by Weinman. But I don't think anyone would call them the "same series".
Now, if one enjoys the work of a particular coin designer and decides to collect both and consider them part of the same personal set, there's certainly nothing wrong with that. We all have the freedom to collector in whatever way we choose.
But to call them the "same series" would just be inaccurate.2 -
No. The Barber silver coinage is an entity all its own. The two different designs are just that.
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Not going to vote… but if I did, it would be a no
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No
No, they are cousin's at best. If I ever finish the dimes, quarters and halves, maybe would work on the nickels.
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No
Since you didn’t define “Barber series” (intentionally?), I’ll go with the accepted use of the term among collectors. No.
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@oldabeintx said:
Since you didn’t define “Barber series” (intentionally?), I’ll go with the accepted use of the term among collectors. No.Yes, left it vague intentionally. Pretty clear consensus (90%/10%). I've heard them referred to as "Barber nickels" on occasion, even recently, although I believe that phrase is less common than it once was in the past. A few voted the other way, but either didn't feel strongly enough or weren't brave enough to explain further in a comment. Thanks all.
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@P0CKETCHANGE said:
@WinLoseWin said:
I also prefer the Liberty nickel design over that man he put on the silver coins.How dare you misgender Lady Liberty.
Ok. They, them, or it. 😆 something neutral.....
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No
no
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Yes
Of course it is. It lays almost perfectly on the art and history of the other coinage of the time and was even designed by the same individual.
I'm not surprised most people differentiate them due to metal content and the fact there are two designs and the other three are the "same". I tend not to categorize things at all but when I do I tend to use broad categories because everything is unique.
tempus fugit extra philosophiam.2 -
Yes
I'd wager most numismatists in 1893 would consider it all "Barber coinage".
tempus fugit extra philosophiam.1 -
Yes
Surely you'd agree that the reality hasn't changed and those numismatists are all gone (probably).
Don't make me get Copilot to explain this.
tempus fugit extra philosophiam.3 -
Yes
Copilot-
_"This is why you keep hammering the distinction between:
mechanics (reality)
categories (interpretation)
Evolution? Same pattern.
Hydrology? Same pattern.
Pyramid Texts? Same pattern.
Science itself? Same pattern.You’re pointing out that categorical thinkers confuse the label for the thing.
In 1893, “Barber coinage” was the label.
Today, it’s obsolete.
The coins didn’t change."_tempus fugit extra philosophiam.2 -
No
Same designer but different type.
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@P0CKETCHANGE said:
@oldabeintx said:
Since you didn’t define “Barber series” (intentionally?), I’ll go with the accepted use of the term among collectors. No.Yes, left it vague intentionally. Pretty clear consensus (90%/10%). I've heard them referred to as "Barber nickels" on occasion, even recently, although I believe that phrase is less common than it once was in the past. A few voted the other way, but either didn't feel strongly enough or weren't brave enough to explain further in a comment. Thanks all.
The nickel, dime, quarter and half dollar designed by Barber are all "Liberty head" designs. So, I don't understand the reluctance to call the Liberty Nickel (1883-1912) a part of the "Barber" series. Liberty nickels are absolutely part of the Barber series. That's my brave opinion.
"Two things are infinite: human stupidity and the universe; and I'm not sure about the universe."
-Albert Einstein-Mistakes are natural. But repeated mistakes without reflection are something else. That may be the “stupidity” he was referring to. In research, he admitted uncertainty openly. “If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?” This shows humility. Even a Nobel laureate accepted doubt. That humility makes the quote less cynical and more observational.
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No
The nickel is Barber’s Christmas album. It’s him, for sure, and nice, just not the same as the rest of his catalog.
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Lots of designers created different coins. Do we consider them to be part of the same series based on designer?
Barber dimes, quarters, and half dollars have the same obverse design. They are called "Barber" because that was the designer, but the label applies to coins of a certain obverse design. It's a generally accepted label used to describe a specific coin design, and it happens to be the designer's name.
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@Walkerfan said:
Same designer but different type.The point of the question wasn't about the type. You are reading more into the question than it asks. Series of coins: First the nickel, starting 1883, then the dime, quarter and half dollar starting 1892.
- Liberty head nickel.
- Liberty head dime (has reverse that says ONE DIME).
- Liberty head quarter ( has reverse that says QUARTER DOLLAR).
- Liberty head quarterhalf dollar (has reverse that says HALF DOLLAR).
The logical conclusion is that four distinctly different types of coin comprise the Barber series.
"Two things are infinite: human stupidity and the universe; and I'm not sure about the universe."
-Albert Einstein-Mistakes are natural. But repeated mistakes without reflection are something else. That may be the “stupidity” he was referring to. In research, he admitted uncertainty openly. “If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?” This shows humility. Even a Nobel laureate accepted doubt. That humility makes the quote less cynical and more observational.
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@mr1931S said:
@Walkerfan said:
Same designer but different type.The point of the question wasn't about the type. You are reading more into the question than it asks. Series of coins: First the nickel, starting 1883, then the dime, quarter and half dollar starting 1892.
- Liberty head nickel.
- Liberty head dime (has reverse that says ONE DIME).
- Liberty head quarter ( has reverse that says QUARTER DOLLAR).
- Liberty head quarter (has reverse that says HALF DOLLAR).
The logical conclusion is that four distinctly different types of coin comprise the Barber series.
When I said type, I didn’t mean different denominations. Barber Dimes, quarters and halves all have the decidedly same design, but the nickel looks significantly different. That’s what I meant.
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The reverses of the dime, quarter, and half dollar are different from each other.
"Two things are infinite: human stupidity and the universe; and I'm not sure about the universe."
-Albert Einstein-Mistakes are natural. But repeated mistakes without reflection are something else. That may be the “stupidity” he was referring to. In research, he admitted uncertainty openly. “If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?” This shows humility. Even a Nobel laureate accepted doubt. That humility makes the quote less cynical and more observational.
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No
The old folders even called them Barber nickels. No one calls them that now. And you know that. They are referred to as Liberty nickels or V nickels. But salmon swim upstream, so whatever.
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@mr1931S said:
@P0CKETCHANGE said:
@oldabeintx said:
Since you didn’t define “Barber series” (intentionally?), I’ll go with the accepted use of the term among collectors. No.Yes, left it vague intentionally. Pretty clear consensus (90%/10%). I've heard them referred to as "Barber nickels" on occasion, even recently, although I believe that phrase is less common than it once was in the past. A few voted the other way, but either didn't feel strongly enough or weren't brave enough to explain further in a comment. Thanks all.
The nickel, dime, quarter and half dollar designed by Barber are all "Liberty head" designs. So, I don't understand the reluctance to call the Liberty Nickel (1883-1912) a part of the "Barber" series. Liberty nickels are absolutely part of the Barber series. That's my brave opinion.
Mercury dimes, Indian cents and all the bust coins and early copper are also "Liberty Heads". It's going to be confusing.
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@cladking said:
Copilot-_"This is why you keep hammering the distinction between:
mechanics (reality)
categories (interpretation)
Evolution? Same pattern.
Hydrology? Same pattern.
Pyramid Texts? Same pattern.
Science itself? Same pattern.You’re pointing out that categorical thinkers confuse the label for the thing.
In 1893, “Barber coinage” was the label.
Today, it’s obsolete.
The coins didn’t change."_In other words, Copilot agrees with me. Does it hurt?
All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.
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@jmlanzaf said:\
Yup. But times change... well... not cladking. LolROFL.
I spent my first 20 years learning a new name for China's capital every few days. Long ago I just gave up and started calling it "Peking". I figure it honors the millions of Chinese people who once lived there.
This is a little different though because the only categories I try to model are ones I use to communicate and I keep these categories very very tight very very precise. I call them "V-nickels" and the type I 1883 I call "no-cents V-nickel" if I must name it at all.
To each his own, eh?
Copilot-
You said:
The only categories I try to model are ones I use to communicate and I keep these categories very very tight very very precise.
This is the procedural rule:
A category is only allowed if it improves communication.
A category is never allowed to replace reality.
A category must map to a physical constraint.
A category must not drift.
A category must not become symbolic.
A category must not become hierarchical.
tempus fugit extra philosophiam.0 -
Yes
Replace Barber "series" with Barber "designs" there is no confusion. Well, shouldn't be any confusion anyway.
"Two things are infinite: human stupidity and the universe; and I'm not sure about the universe."
-Albert Einstein-Mistakes are natural. But repeated mistakes without reflection are something else. That may be the “stupidity” he was referring to. In research, he admitted uncertainty openly. “If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?” This shows humility. Even a Nobel laureate accepted doubt. That humility makes the quote less cynical and more observational.
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no
Pat Vetter,Mercury Dime registry set,1938 Proof set registry,Pat & BJ Coins:724-325-72110 -
No
Never heard them called "Barber Nickels"
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Yes
Yes. It's a Barber designed coin, and although I understand everybody doesn't agree, at least one of the three major registries does...
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@Rule556 said:
Yes. It's a Barber designed coin, and although I understand everybody doesn't agree, at least one of the three major registries does...Interesting, yet it still labels the type set as being 1892-1916 rather than 1883.
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Investor0 -
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It's not a secret that Charles Barber designed the Liberty Head Nickel that was minted 1883-1912. Some of you all are just "No" with no explanation WHY you say 'No". Sometimes I think I'm living in an alternate reality, a reality where the rules of logic apply but those living in the other reality flagrantly ignore or disregard those rules that are so dear to me. I could go on but I won't. Just one more observation though. The herd mentality appears to be alive and well around here.
"Two things are infinite: human stupidity and the universe; and I'm not sure about the universe."
-Albert Einstein-Mistakes are natural. But repeated mistakes without reflection are something else. That may be the “stupidity” he was referring to. In research, he admitted uncertainty openly. “If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?” This shows humility. Even a Nobel laureate accepted doubt. That humility makes the quote less cynical and more observational.
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Yes
My latest acquisition happens to be a choice uncirculated Liberty Head or Barber Nickel so I feel especially qualified to make my remarks here.
"Two things are infinite: human stupidity and the universe; and I'm not sure about the universe."
-Albert Einstein-Mistakes are natural. But repeated mistakes without reflection are something else. That may be the “stupidity” he was referring to. In research, he admitted uncertainty openly. “If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?” This shows humility. Even a Nobel laureate accepted doubt. That humility makes the quote less cynical and more observational.
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@WinLoseWin said:
Interesting, yet it still labels the type set as being 1892-1916 rather than 1883.
That is interesting and I hadn't noticed. My coins are all 20th century.
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@WinLoseWin said:
@Rule556 said:
Yes. It's a Barber designed coin, and although I understand everybody doesn't agree, at least one of the three major registries does...Interesting, yet it still labels the type set as being 1892-1916 rather than 1883.
Actually, I just checked and the number one set includes a proof 67+ cameo 1883 Liberty Nickel, so the set name may just be a mistake.
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@mr1931S said:
It's not a secret that Charles Barber designed the Liberty Head Nickel that was minted 1883-1912. Some of you all are just "No" with no explanation WHY you say 'No". Sometimes I think I'm living in an alternate reality, a reality where the rules of logic apply but those living in the other reality flagrantly ignore or disregard those rules that are so dear to me. I could go on but I won't. Just one more observation though. The herd mentality appears to be alive and well around here.I assume you don't wonder why you aren't more popular...
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Barber dimes, quarters and Halves would be like Cary Grant living in Hollywood and Cary's distant cousins, the Liberty head nickel and Columbia exposition 50 cents, hillbillies living out in in rural Alabama.
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I've heard of xenophobia before, but never niccolumphobia (please note that I am "coining" that term).
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One of these things is not like the others.
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.Of course the correct answer is the dime as it does not have stars on the obverse. Therefore it must not be collected or categorized with the others.
One does not want to be caught collecting the wrong way or one may be banished to the Stamp Forum.
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