@Nephasth said:
I was able to pick up a dozen dual date Westpoints, one or two at a time, clear up to mid April just by waking up 30 mins earlier than usual.
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take."
And I didn't bother with any of them, knowing another 200K or so are coming down the pike.
And now that I've had my fill of 'em, I don't have to worry about checking on the next drop date, a new HHL being imposed on the remaining 200k, waiting room issues, and taking time out of an actual work day that makes money to try to grab a few more. More than one way to skin a cat, yours isn't best for everybody.
Agreed. But my point wasn't that I was waiting for the next drop. I was never interested at $173 with a mintage of 500K.
@pragmaticgoat said:
congratulation set available for about 2 seconds this AM
I saw the add to bag button light up but when i click on it to add to cart and then checkout, my cart will show empty. I assume because I am up against bots? I can't even button press fast enough to get a coin added to cart, makes no sense.
Yes, you're definitely up against bots. If you check sales activity at Collect Pure you can see transactions from people (or a person) who scored in bulk the past few days. The pros don't leave much behind.
I wonder how much discussion there will be, in the post-analysis of this release, about the decision to mint the issue in Philadelphia instead of West Point.
From a historical and marketing perspective, tying the release to Philadelphia and the entire 250-year celebration certainly made sense. However, looking at the grading reports so far — along with the apparent high number of PR69s being reported while many of the larger dealers seem to have submitted only their strongest coins for grading — it does raise questions about whether Philadelphia was the ideal minting location for a proof issue carrying this much collector sentiment and attention.
Fair or not, proof collectors tend to expect exceptionally high quality on special releases, and early grading results may ultimately become part of the long-term conversation surrounding this issue.
March 15, Latest sales show 40,064 for Congratulations.
As of March 22, the sales number shows 40,055.
As of March 29, the sales number shows 40,067.
As of April 5, the sales number shows 40,063.
As of April 12, the sales number shows 40,064.
As of April 20, the sales number shows 40,063.
As of April 26, the sales number shows 40,072.
As of May 3, the sales number shows 40,065.
@Goldbully said:
Here's my one and only coin back from PCGS...........As @NJCoin noted, the Philadelphia Mint not as up to snuff as West Point on the ASE's.
PR69DCAM First Strike
Latest Pop Report.......
Thank you for sharing your graded ASE ,Goldbully. Do you mind if I ask, what, in your mind, in retrospect, was the 'trait' that set back your ASE from being a proof 70? I am curious, because my raw sample from Feb. looks comparable to a random ASE proof 70 (PCGS) and it would be interesting to have more clues in case I decide to have it graded in the future.
Thanks!!
Golbully's ASE unfortunately was the victim of a small 'flake-strike' flaw/debris (for a lack of a better term) that is a 70 killer.
.
.
I've got one (a congrats) with a similar flaw/flake, but it's frosty, not brown, that has me hesitant to send in.
This Congrats ⇊ that I sent to CACG has another 70 killer - too much perimeter "haze-ring" going on imo (rt- click for zoom)...
.
@Goldbully said:
Here's my one and only coin back from PCGS...........As @NJCoin noted, the Philadelphia Mint not as up to snuff as West Point on the ASE's.
PR69DCAM First Strike
Latest Pop Report.......
Thank you for sharing your graded ASE ,Goldbully. Do you mind if I ask, what, in your mind, in retrospect, was the 'trait' that set back your ASE from being a proof 70? I am curious, because my raw sample from Feb. looks comparable to a random ASE proof 70 (PCGS) and it would be interesting to have more clues in case I decide to have it graded in the future.
Thanks!!
Please don't knock yourself out stressing over that. There are PLENTY of examples of professionals disagreeing with judgments regarding 69s and 70s, given how they are both basically perfect, and how little time the graders spend on each coin.
@mach19 said:
Some of these coins are selling for around $215.00 on the 'Bay.... Do you think this will be the norm ?
Until they start selling for less than $215
LOL .... So you think they will tank ?
I think that, like 99% of all Mint issues, the price is highest right after release. I don' t think it will drop to bullion value. However, I don't think that $215 is the bottom.
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@Goldbully said:
Here's my one and only coin back from PCGS...........As @NJCoin noted, the Philadelphia Mint not as up to snuff as West Point on the ASE's.
PR69DCAM First Strike
Latest Pop Report.......
Thank you for sharing your graded ASE ,Goldbully. Do you mind if I ask, what, in your mind, in retrospect, was the 'trait' that set back your ASE from being a proof 70? I am curious, because my raw sample from Feb. looks comparable to a random ASE proof 70 (PCGS) and it would be interesting to have more clues in case I decide to have it graded in the future.
Thanks!!
Please don't knock yourself out stressing over that. There are PLENTY of examples of professionals disagreeing with judgments regarding 69s and 70s, given how they are both basically perfect, and how little time the graders spend on each coin.
No worries, point being that Rc5280's illustration was educational and succinct. Perfect response ! A 70 !!
I can’t remember the issue price of these things wasn’t it 175 or something so at 2:15 I guess I guess there’s some profit there doesn’t seem like very much to me but maybe that’s a lot of money to some folks.
@Coin Finder said:
I can’t remember the issue price of these things wasn’t it 175 or something so at 2:15 I guess I guess there’s some profit there doesn’t seem like very much to me but maybe that’s a lot of money to some folks.
Yes, $175 issue price. With fees and shipping they’re probably getting their money back basically.
@RichR said:
[I don' t think it will drop to bullion value. However, I don't think that $215 is the bottom.]
So are we saying that the relative low mintage for this issue by silver Eagle standards will be divorced from price?
It's hardly "divorced from price". Eagles with mintages of 150,000+ are basically bullion. $215 is 3x bullion. The 2020 V75 proof has a mintage of 75,000 and sells for $350 to $400. The Army privy silver eagle sells for $175 with a mintage of 100,000.
So, what's the "right price"? Somewhere between bullion and $450. Is the right comp the V75 or the Army privy? I don't know. But the price on these "hot issues" is usually highest right after release not months later. So, I can see it falling to $175 or so. I have one on eBay right now at $217.50 with no takers.
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@Batman23 said:
March 15, Latest sales show 40,064 for Congratulations.
As of March 22, the sales number shows 40,055.
As of March 29, the sales number shows 40,067.
As of April 5, the sales number shows 40,063.
As of April 12, the sales number shows 40,064.
As of April 20, the sales number shows 40,063.
As of April 26, the sales number shows 40,072.
As of May 3, the sales number shows 40,065.
As of May 10, the sales number shows 59,060.
As of May 17, the sales number shows 59,615.
An interesting release of 555 coins during this last week. Are there 385 left to be had?
@Batman23 said:
March 15, Latest sales show 40,064 for Congratulations.
As of March 22, the sales number shows 40,055.
As of March 29, the sales number shows 40,067.
As of April 5, the sales number shows 40,063.
As of April 12, the sales number shows 40,064.
As of April 20, the sales number shows 40,063.
As of April 26, the sales number shows 40,072.
As of May 3, the sales number shows 40,065.
As of May 10, the sales number shows 59,060.
As of May 17, the sales number shows 59,615.
An interesting release of 555 coins during this last week. Are there 385 left to be had?
It may be a delay in payment processing not a release.
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That was a quick elevator ride down from the low and mid 300's. With new product and that new Silver Enhanced Uncirculated coming out in July, it might not be much longer until every sale price starts with a "1" rather than a "2"
Some were available this morning. Could have got it but decided not to. Had about 3 min. Already have 2. One is in processing for 3 weeks hoping they will not ship. $175 not worth it to me. Just happened to wake up at 7:28 AM
This is still the second lowest mintage proof silver eagle that the mint has produced, and I doubt it stays at these prices once the inventory is depleted from dealers and flippers. If prices were to stay at this level then it means the entire silver eagle market has crashed for good.
@HalfDime said:
This is still the second lowest mintage proof silver eagle that the mint has produced, and I doubt it stays at these prices once the inventory is depleted from dealers and flippers. If prices were to stay at this level then it means the entire silver eagle market has crashed for good.
No. It would only mean the market for this coin has crashed for good.
@HalfDime said:
This is still the second lowest mintage proof silver eagle that the mint has produced, and I doubt it stays at these prices once the inventory is depleted from dealers and flippers. If prices were to stay at this level then it means the entire silver eagle market has crashed for good.
No. It would only mean the market for this coin has crashed for good.
I don't know that it even means that. It's still slightly above issue price. And it is a $200 silver eagle. I don't know that it needs to be higher.
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@HalfDime said:
This is still the second lowest mintage proof silver eagle that the mint has produced, and I doubt it stays at these prices once the inventory is depleted from dealers and flippers. If prices were to stay at this level then it means the entire silver eagle market has crashed for good.
No. It would only mean the market for this coin has crashed for good.
I don't know that it even means that. It's still slightly above issue price. And it is a $200 silver eagle. I don't know that it needs to be higher.
Ehh. It IS the second lowest ASE, and $200 is not much above coins with far higher mintages.
But we basically agree. The fact that people don't seem to care about it does not mean the V75 ASE will now be available for $175, just because it has a higher mintage.
@pf70collector said:
Some were available this morning. Could have got it but decided not to. Had about 3 min. Already have 2. One is in processing for 3 weeks hoping they will not ship. $175 not worth it to me. Just happened to wake up at 7:28 AM
Three minutes open time for maybe seven remaining coins and no HHL. Sounds like people may have stopped hunting for these.
@pf70collector said:
Some were available this morning. Could have got it but decided not to. Had about 3 min. Already have 2. One is in processing for 3 weeks hoping they will not ship. $175 not worth it to me. Just happened to wake up at 7:28 AM
Three minutes open time for maybe seven remaining coins and no HHL. Sounds like people may have stopped hunting for these.
...or most know by now, anything you get is highly likely to be a return - and based upon the Philadelphia Mint reputation for quality issues and the high number of 69's...why chance it.
@NJCoin said:
No. It would only mean the market for this coin has crashed for good.
That's not the way that coin series work, but you can believe it for yourself.
Yes, I believe it. The V75 ASE has a mintage 25% above the 2026-P. How much less than $200 does it currently go for, according to your rules for coin series?
Oooh. Looks like around $400. Who's going to tell the buyers they are breaking the rules? Because it should be closer to $150, right?
I got three on the second round, I’ll just leave them in the sealed box for years down the road or get them graded when PCGS has a good quarterly special. The two I got in the first round graded at PR70.
@NJCoin said:
No. It would only mean the market for this coin has crashed for good.
That's not the way that coin series work, but you can believe it for yourself.
Yes, I believe it. The V75 ASE has a mintage 25% above the 2026-P. How much less than $200 does it currently go for, according to your rules for coin series?
Oooh. Looks like around $400. Who's going to tell the buyers they are breaking the rules? Because it should be closer to $150, right?
I agree with NJ. That should tell you something. Lol. There's no reason why the prices need to line up. There can be different demand for different coins in the series. For example, the V75 is a one year type. If you don't collect by date/mm, you might want a V75 but not care about the 2026-P. There might also be WWII collectors who don't collect the series. Etc.
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@jmlanzaf said:
I agree with NJ. That should tell you something. Lol.
Based on some of your past posts it actually tells me nothing, lol.
Wait a year and get back to me about this after all the hot inventory is long gone. Right now demand can't soak it up is all.
It would be very unusual for demand for a Mint release to suddenly increase. One should at least consider the possibility that this is a $200 coin, or less. It might go up, it's actually more likely to go down, but my crystal ball is broken.
One should reevaluate their position as evidence appears. Did you expect them to be selling at $200 now? If not, you should re-examine your original position, not double down on it.
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@HalfDime said:
This is still the second lowest mintage proof silver eagle that the mint has produced, and I doubt it stays at these prices once the inventory is depleted from dealers and flippers. If prices were to stay at this level then it means the entire silver eagle market has crashed for good.
No. It would only mean the market for this coin has crashed for good.
I don't know that it even means that. It's still slightly above issue price. And it is a $200 silver eagle. I don't know that it needs to be higher.
@NJCoin said:
No. It would only mean the market for this coin has crashed for good.
That's not the way that coin series work, but you can believe it for yourself.
Yes, I believe it. The V75 ASE has a mintage 25% above the 2026-P. How much less than $200 does it currently go for, according to your rules for coin series?
Oooh. Looks like around $400. Who's going to tell the buyers they are breaking the rules? Because it should be closer to $150, right?
I agree with NJ.
What world am I in? Did these guys just agree with one another publicly and admit it?
@HalfDime said:
This is still the second lowest mintage proof silver eagle that the mint has produced, and I doubt it stays at these prices once the inventory is depleted from dealers and flippers. If prices were to stay at this level then it means the entire silver eagle market has crashed for good.
No. It would only mean the market for this coin has crashed for good.
I don't know that it even means that. It's still slightly above issue price. And it is a $200 silver eagle. I don't know that it needs to be higher.
@NJCoin said:
No. It would only mean the market for this coin has crashed for good.
That's not the way that coin series work, but you can believe it for yourself.
Yes, I believe it. The V75 ASE has a mintage 25% above the 2026-P. How much less than $200 does it currently go for, according to your rules for coin series?
Oooh. Looks like around $400. Who's going to tell the buyers they are breaking the rules? Because it should be closer to $150, right?
I agree with NJ.
What world am I in? Did these guys just agree with one another publicly and admit it?
I'm going to take some time to reevaluate my life decisions.
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@jmlanzaf said:
It would be very unusual for demand for a Mint release to suddenly increase.
You mean like what happened with the gold buffalo fractional coins? No, it wasn't unusual.
If supply dries up, then demand raises prices.
If a proof silver eagle at 60k mintage can't break $200, it is over for this mint program. None of the future releases will be worth buying period.
It is "unusual". Not impossible. Finding the exception doesn't exactly make that the rule
The classic exception is probably the 1995-W. People literally avoided the coin. They sold more sets without the coin than with the coin even though the price was the same.
Given the number available on ebay, you're going to need NEW demand. Lmao.
I'll sell you my last one for $185 and I'll pay the shipping. Bargain of a lifetime.
Oops... wrong forum. 😆
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@jmlanzaf said:
It would be very unusual for demand for a Mint release to suddenly increase.
You mean like what happened with the gold buffalo fractional coins? No, it wasn't unusual.
If supply dries up, then demand raises prices.
If a proof silver eagle at 60k mintage can't break $200, it is over for this mint program. None of the future releases will be worth buying period.
Not without the Mint lowering the initial price. You’re right, with silver at $71
That is the issue. People are obsessing over the initial cost rather than the bullion value. $200 seems like a lower even though it's 2x times the intrinsic value.
A routine release at 100,000 or more mintage is absolutely not worth buying at current prices, no matter where this particular coin ends up.
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Agreed. But my point wasn't that I was waiting for the next drop. I was never interested at $173 with a mintage of 500K.
Yes, you're definitely up against bots. If you check sales activity at Collect Pure you can see transactions from people (or a person) who scored in bulk the past few days. The pros don't leave much behind.
OK...my order from last week just arrived. And I think I was pretty close to one of the first to order early that day.
And two more are arriving tomorrow via UPS so the HHL was either flexible or not strictly enforced.
I ordered 2 last Wednesday morning separately and one arrived yesterday, but other is still processing. Gotta love the inconsistency of the mint! 🤣
Another one of mine came today also,
Ebay is full of them for people that missed it, starting at $229,
resale prices are falling .....
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I wonder how much discussion there will be, in the post-analysis of this release, about the decision to mint the issue in Philadelphia instead of West Point.
From a historical and marketing perspective, tying the release to Philadelphia and the entire 250-year celebration certainly made sense. However, looking at the grading reports so far — along with the apparent high number of PR69s being reported while many of the larger dealers seem to have submitted only their strongest coins for grading — it does raise questions about whether Philadelphia was the ideal minting location for a proof issue carrying this much collector sentiment and attention.
Fair or not, proof collectors tend to expect exceptionally high quality on special releases, and early grading results may ultimately become part of the long-term conversation surrounding this issue.
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Here's my one and only coin back from PCGS...........As @NJCoin noted, the Philadelphia Mint not as up to snuff as West Point on the ASE's.
PR69DCAM First Strike
Latest Pop Report.......
March 15, Latest sales show 40,064 for Congratulations.
As of March 22, the sales number shows 40,055.
As of March 29, the sales number shows 40,067.
As of April 5, the sales number shows 40,063.
As of April 12, the sales number shows 40,064.
As of April 20, the sales number shows 40,063.
As of April 26, the sales number shows 40,072.
As of May 3, the sales number shows 40,065.
As of May 10, the sales number shows 59,060.
Interesting, where are the last remaining 940 being hid?
My guess would be divided between mint gift shops and what they plan on bringing to shows to sell.
Thank you for sharing your graded ASE ,Goldbully. Do you mind if I ask, what, in your mind, in retrospect, was the 'trait' that set back your ASE from being a proof 70? I am curious, because my raw sample from Feb. looks comparable to a random ASE proof 70 (PCGS) and it would be interesting to have more clues in case I decide to have it graded in the future.
Thanks!!
Golbully's ASE unfortunately was the victim of a small 'flake-strike' flaw/debris (for a lack of a better term) that is a 70 killer.
.
.
I've got one (a congrats) with a similar flaw/flake, but it's frosty, not brown, that has me hesitant to send in.
This Congrats ⇊ that I sent to CACG has another 70 killer - too much perimeter "haze-ring" going on imo (rt- click for zoom)...
.
Please don't knock yourself out stressing over that. There are PLENTY of examples of professionals disagreeing with judgments regarding 69s and 70s, given how they are both basically perfect, and how little time the graders spend on each coin.
Some of these coins are selling for around $215.00 on the 'Bay.... Do you think this will be the norm ?
Until they start selling for less than $215
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LOL .... So you think they will tank ?
I think that, like 99% of all Mint issues, the price is highest right after release. I don' t think it will drop to bullion value. However, I don't think that $215 is the bottom.
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[I don' t think it will drop to bullion value. However, I don't think that $215 is the bottom.]
So are we saying that the relative low mintage for this issue by silver Eagle standards will be divorced from price?
No worries, point being that Rc5280's illustration was educational and succinct. Perfect response ! A 70 !!
I can’t remember the issue price of these things wasn’t it 175 or something so at 2:15 I guess I guess there’s some profit there doesn’t seem like very much to me but maybe that’s a lot of money to some folks.
Yes, $175 issue price. With fees and shipping they’re probably getting their money back basically.
It's hardly "divorced from price". Eagles with mintages of 150,000+ are basically bullion. $215 is 3x bullion. The 2020 V75 proof has a mintage of 75,000 and sells for $350 to $400. The Army privy silver eagle sells for $175 with a mintage of 100,000.
So, what's the "right price"? Somewhere between bullion and $450. Is the right comp the V75 or the Army privy? I don't know. But the price on these "hot issues" is usually highest right after release not months later. So, I can see it falling to $175 or so. I have one on eBay right now at $217.50 with no takers.
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As of May 10, the sales number shows 59,060.
As of May 17, the sales number shows 59,615.
An interesting release of 555 coins during this last week. Are there 385 left to be had?
It may be a delay in payment processing not a release.
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Congratulations!
It looks like these are done now, that was probably the last release with any volume.
As of May 24, the sales number shows 59,993.
Should we guess when the secondary market price drops below the issue price? It's getting close.
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Now that I have a few sitting on the shelf... Any week now.
That was a quick elevator ride down from the low and mid 300's. With new product and that new Silver Enhanced Uncirculated coming out in July, it might not be much longer until every sale price starts with a "1" rather than a "2"
Some were available this morning. Could have got it but decided not to. Had about 3 min. Already have 2. One is in processing for 3 weeks hoping they will not ship. $175 not worth it to me. Just happened to wake up at 7:28 AM
Box of 20
They cancelled my third one which I was hoping they would do. It was in processing for 3 weeks.
Box of 20
This is still the second lowest mintage proof silver eagle that the mint has produced, and I doubt it stays at these prices once the inventory is depleted from dealers and flippers. If prices were to stay at this level then it means the entire silver eagle market has crashed for good.
No. It would only mean the market for this coin has crashed for good.
I don't know that it even means that. It's still slightly above issue price. And it is a $200 silver eagle. I don't know that it needs to be higher.
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Ehh. It IS the second lowest ASE, and $200 is not much above coins with far higher mintages.
But we basically agree. The fact that people don't seem to care about it does not mean the V75 ASE will now be available for $175, just because it has a higher mintage.
Three minutes open time for maybe seven remaining coins and no HHL. Sounds like people may have stopped hunting for these.
...or most know by now, anything you get is highly likely to be a return - and based upon the Philadelphia Mint reputation for quality issues and the high number of 69's...why chance it.
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That's not the way that coin series work, but you can believe it for yourself.
Yes, I believe it. The V75 ASE has a mintage 25% above the 2026-P. How much less than $200 does it currently go for, according to your rules for coin series?
Oooh. Looks like around $400. Who's going to tell the buyers they are breaking the rules? Because it should be closer to $150, right?
I got three on the second round, I’ll just leave them in the sealed box for years down the road or get them graded when PCGS has a good quarterly special. The two I got in the first round graded at PR70.
I agree with NJ. That should tell you something. Lol. There's no reason why the prices need to line up. There can be different demand for different coins in the series. For example, the V75 is a one year type. If you don't collect by date/mm, you might want a V75 but not care about the 2026-P. There might also be WWII collectors who don't collect the series. Etc.
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Based on some of your past posts it actually tells me nothing, lol.
Wait a year and get back to me about this after all the hot inventory is long gone. Right now demand can't soak it up is all.
It would be very unusual for demand for a Mint release to suddenly increase. One should at least consider the possibility that this is a $200 coin, or less. It might go up, it's actually more likely to go down, but my crystal ball is broken.
One should reevaluate their position as evidence appears. Did you expect them to be selling at $200 now? If not, you should re-examine your original position, not double down on it.
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What world am I in? Did these guys just agree with one another publicly and admit it?
I'm going to take some time to reevaluate my life decisions.
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You mean like what happened with the gold buffalo fractional coins? No, it wasn't unusual.
If supply dries up, then demand raises prices.
If a proof silver eagle at 60k mintage can't break $200, it is over for this mint program. None of the future releases will be worth buying period.
Not without the Mint lowering the initial price. You’re right, with silver at $71
It is "unusual". Not impossible. Finding the exception doesn't exactly make that the rule
The classic exception is probably the 1995-W. People literally avoided the coin. They sold more sets without the coin than with the coin even though the price was the same.
Given the number available on ebay, you're going to need NEW demand. Lmao.
I'll sell you my last one for $185 and I'll pay the shipping. Bargain of a lifetime.
Oops... wrong forum. 😆
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That is the issue. People are obsessing over the initial cost rather than the bullion value. $200 seems like a lower even though it's 2x times the intrinsic value.
A routine release at 100,000 or more mintage is absolutely not worth buying at current prices, no matter where this particular coin ends up.
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