1977 Topps Nolan Ryan PSA 9

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Yankees70
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edited May 22, 2026 10:16AM in Trading Cards & Memorabilia Forum

Any opinions on what grade PSA would give if submitted today.

IMO it would be lucky to receive a 7.

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  • mintonlypls
    mintonlypls Posts: 2,911 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I would say a 7…

    mint_only_pls
  • craig44
    craig44 Posts: 13,182 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    it lookslike it has some sort of weird artifact on the surface way down by the lower right corner.

    George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.

  • ElMagoStrikeZone
    ElMagoStrikeZone Posts: 2,245 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Yeah, or less. Label is from Jurassic Park era.

  • olb31
    olb31 Posts: 4,386 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Centering 9 or 10, edges look fine 9 or 10. corners look sharp 9. surface is the difference for everyone right now. Psa gives it an 8, Sgc 8.5? looks like a decently nice card to me. Should it be a 9? i would go with 8.5.

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  • ElMagoStrikeZone
    ElMagoStrikeZone Posts: 2,245 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @olb31 said:
    Centering 9 or 10, edges look fine 9 or 10. corners look sharp 9. surface is the difference for everyone right now. Psa gives it an 8, Sgc 8.5? looks like a decently nice card to me. Should it be a 9? i would go with 8.5.

    I must contest. Poor registration, stray print flaws, jelly doughnut on his cap. Reasonably, not close. This was a very early attempt at grading. Massive fail.

  • Chicago1976
    Chicago1976 Posts: 777 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Along with the aforementioned print issues, the streak running horizontally across the ANG of Angels jumps out at me. I'd say 6 or 6.5 today. Unless all these issues are on the slab of course. ;)

  • BBBrkrr
    BBBrkrr Posts: 1,933 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    As someone who subbed a lot of 77 & 78 Ryans that's a 6 all day. Depending on the back it might get to a 5. 77s also have serious issues on the surface so those are all horrible to grade.

  • bgr
    bgr Posts: 5,006 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    That cert series is from Mike Baker...

  • miwlvrn
    miwlvrn Posts: 4,333 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I think it could get a 7 (PD) or if lucky, an 8 (PD), mostly due to the yellow registration in the flag and the other print defect line across Angels. Those would of course be equal to a 5 NQ or 6 NQ, relative to the registry scoring.

  • ElMagoStrikeZone
    ElMagoStrikeZone Posts: 2,245 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @bgr said:
    That cert series is from Mike Baker...

    Rookie mistake. :D

  • Yankees70
    Yankees70 Posts: 1,101 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 22, 2026 5:57PM
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    @olb31 said:
    Centering 9 or 10, edges look fine 9 or 10. corners look sharp 9. surface is the difference for everyone right now. Psa gives it an 8, Sgc 8.5? looks like a decently nice card to me. Should it be a 9? i would go with 8.5.

    IMO your way off on this one big guy. This is nowhere near a 9 in any way. I think a 7 would be very fortunate and if I had a gun to my head and had to predict the actual grade I would say a 6.

  • pdoidoi
    pdoidoi Posts: 958 ✭✭✭✭
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    PSA 6

  • Tabe
    Tabe Posts: 6,452 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @BBBrkrr said:
    As someone who subbed a lot of 77 & 78 Ryans that's a 6 all day. Depending on the back it might get to a 5. 77s also have serious issues on the surface so those are all horrible to grade.

    I'm with you. This looks like a 5 or 6.

  • BaltimoreYankee
    BaltimoreYankee Posts: 3,266 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    The real answer is one cannot tell just from an image of the front of the card but just based on that image, it would be much lower than a 9 today.

    Daniel
  • 71waxforever
    71waxforever Posts: 70 ✭✭✭
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    It goes to show you the conundrum we're in.

  • BBBrkrr
    BBBrkrr Posts: 1,933 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @Tabe said:

    @BBBrkrr said:
    As someone who subbed a lot of 77 & 78 Ryans that's a 6 all day. Depending on the back it might get to a 5. 77s also have serious issues on the surface so those are all horrible to grade.

    I'm with you. This looks like a 5 or 6.

    Yeah. Sad. I love the 77 set so much and used to love ripping those. These days I wouldn’t even consider that with the poor cardboard quality and how grading is.

    If you ripped an FASC box I’d bet there wouldn’t be a 9 anywhere in that box with current grading standards. You’d just get a bunch of 5-7s with maybe a couple 8s.

  • olb31
    olb31 Posts: 4,386 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @Yankees70 said:

    @olb31 said:
    Centering 9 or 10, edges look fine 9 or 10. corners look sharp 9. surface is the difference for everyone right now. Psa gives it an 8, Sgc 8.5? looks like a decently nice card to me. Should it be a 9? i would go with 8.5.

    IMO your way off on this one big guy. This is nowhere near a 9 in any way. I think a 7 would be very fortunate and if I had a gun to my head and had to predict the actual grade I would say a 6.

    maybe. i said sgc 8.5 psa 8.. the printing problems are an issue. but the centering edges and corners look good.

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  • grote15
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    @olb31 said:

    @Yankees70 said:

    @olb31 said:
    Centering 9 or 10, edges look fine 9 or 10. corners look sharp 9. surface is the difference for everyone right now. Psa gives it an 8, Sgc 8.5? looks like a decently nice card to me. Should it be a 9? i would go with 8.5.

    IMO your way off on this one big guy. This is nowhere near a 9 in any way. I think a 7 would be very fortunate and if I had a gun to my head and had to predict the actual grade I would say a 6.

    maybe. i said sgc 8.5 psa 8.. the printing problems are an issue. but the centering edges and corners look good.

    The top corners look a bit soft to me for a PSA 9. There also appears to be a noticeable chip in the card stock on the bottom left edge on the right side.



    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
  • galaxy27
    galaxy27 Posts: 10,568 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    this bad boy would get jackhammered today

    Mr. Magoo wouldn't even give it a 9

    cinco o seis

  • ElMagoStrikeZone
    ElMagoStrikeZone Posts: 2,245 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @galaxy27 said:
    this bad boy would get jackhammered today

    Mr. Magoo wouldn't even give it a 9

    cinco o seis

    Ok, but I asked Stevie Wonder and....oh, nevermind. >:)

  • EnriqueRomo80
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    Lol

  • smallstocks
    smallstocks Posts: 1,812 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    If you ripped an FASC box I’d bet there wouldn’t be a 9 anywhere in that box with current grading standards. You’d just get a bunch of 5-7s with maybe a couple 8s.

    That's exactly what I did recently. The cards are piled high in card savers because I can't bring myself to take a chance throwing away all that money by grading them at this time. That despite many looking pretty much perfect to me.


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  • 1982FootballWax
    1982FootballWax Posts: 2,853 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 3, 2026 5:26AM
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    You could receive 9s and 10s, you simply need to send to MBA They will also throw in some sparkly looking stickers for free. Any card with a non perfect edge they will simply trim until its a 10 w/gold diamond sticker.

    But yes your point is totally valid they will hammer YOU and us here on those cards

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  • BBBrkrr
    BBBrkrr Posts: 1,933 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    That Bench is gorgeous!

  • PaulMaul
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    @EnriqueRomo80 said:


    Lol

    The PSA 9 was actually graded earlier in this case.

    My 1972 Baseball and Wacky Pack Registry Sets
  • lwehlers
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    @pdoidoi said:
    PSA 6

    centering is to good for a six. probably a seven or eight today.

  • grote15
    grote15 Posts: 30,229 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @PaulMaul said:

    @EnriqueRomo80 said:


    Lol

    The PSA 9 was actually graded earlier in this case.

    I believe the 317XXX cert run preceded the 218XXX cert run (PSA used to jump around have used certs beginning with 5s and 6s many years ago, also) but I'm not 100% certain as to the time frame.



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  • PaulMaul
    PaulMaul Posts: 5,024 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 12, 2026 6:56AM
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    @grote15 said:

    @PaulMaul said:

    @EnriqueRomo80 said:


    Lol

    The PSA 9 was actually graded earlier in this case.

    I believe the 317XXX cert run preceded the 218XXX cert run (PSA used to jump around have used certs beginning with 5s and 6s many years ago, also) but I'm not 100% certain as to the time frame.

    The 31xxxxxxx run was considerably earlier. I do know that the 21xxxxxxx run dates to 2013, because that happens to be when I started subbing.

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  • mintonlypls
    mintonlypls Posts: 2,911 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Does early subs also include certification numbers where the 2nd digit is zero: 40xxxxxx, 50xxxxxx, 60xxxxxx, 70xxxxxx, 80xxxxxx, 90xxxxxx?

    mint_only_pls
  • bgr
    bgr Posts: 5,006 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I can't attest to the accuracy but the information I have is.

    31xxxxxx were from early 2005.

    I have records of many certs from April- November 2005 in that range. However. PSA was using out-of-sequence "3x" blocks during this period.

    The theories on why the blocks were reserved here is not mine, but sourced from the usual suspects so I'm just compiling that here.

    the 30-, 31-, 40-, 50-, 60-, 81-, and 90- prefixes were each reserved for different reasons - over the years these included individual graders, service categories, item types, and even suspicion of conspiracy to make 4sc the largest holder of PSA 10s in the universe.

    The likely answer is that this was procedural because of the tools of the time.

    A question on a cert recently came up and it was the previous query I entered - 14125950. This one would certainly have been from around 2008 and no earlier than 2007. Around the same time half-grades were introduced.

    So I think you guys are right on the money there. A lot of the information my tool pulls actually comes from you two so I hope you're sure!

    Even with every bit I have assembled and cross-referenced from CU, Net54, Blowout, and Elite there are still huge gaps in what we think we know.

  • Kepper19
    Kepper19 Posts: 439 ✭✭✭
    edited June 12, 2026 7:49PM
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    need to have people go thru their old paperwork and share info from the paperwork and the serial numbers of the cards...I can't be the only one who has a good number of the submission copies from 2000 to 2010

  • mintonlypls
    mintonlypls Posts: 2,911 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Thx for the info!

    mint_only_pls

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