GTG: 1909-s Wheat Cent - REVEALED IN COMMENTS

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ProofCollection
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edited May 8, 2026 10:28AM in U.S. Coin Forum

This cent is currently in an NGC Fattie and has a green CAC sticker. I firmly believe this wheat cent is undergraded so having you guys guess what the slab says would be a bit of trickery. I'm interested to see what you guys would grade it though before I lobby for a gold CAC sticker or send to PCGS for crossover.
The coin is solidly RED. I know the photos bring doubt, but that's my lighting struggles.
I have three sets of photos, it is the same coin.





---- UPDATE 5/7/26 ----

The previous GTG was a bust because my photos sucked. PCGS took better photos. Please GTG on what grade PCGS gave it. Oh, and BTW it did come back as S/Horizontal S!
New photos (rt-click, open in new tab to get full-size):

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  • MsMorrisine
    MsMorrisine Posts: 40,036 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    the best photo is the first reverse and it's still too dark

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  • Whit
    Whit Posts: 375 ✭✭✭
    edited January 16, 2026 8:39PM
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    Without getting into whether it's slabbed RD or not, I'd not be surprised to see this in a 63 or 64RD holder. Of those two, I lean to 64.

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  • ambro51
    ambro51 Posts: 14,471 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    This appears to be the S over horizontal S variety, Looks 65 from photo 1

  • Coinscratch
    Coinscratch Posts: 11,085 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Looks like a 66 so I’ll go 65 based on the slab and sticker.

  • Relaxn
    Relaxn Posts: 1,265 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    64 red
    65 RB
    Based.on these photos " No Sticker for You"

  • johnny9434
    johnny9434 Posts: 34,049 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    65 rb

  • thebeav
    thebeav Posts: 4,115 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    64 rd

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  • jfriedm56
    jfriedm56 Posts: 3,101 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    64RD

  • Tom147
    Tom147 Posts: 1,619 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    64RD

  • Walkerguy21D
    Walkerguy21D Posts: 12,164 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    My guess like most others is 64rd, but that you think it should be 65 rd.

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  • WaterSport
    WaterSport Posts: 7,064 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 17, 2026 11:20AM
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    Sorry, I can't tell the grade with photos - but while you are at it you might want to consider getting the Variety Attribution of RPM 2 or (FS-1502) varietyvista.com/02a%20LC%20RPMs%20Vol%201/1909SRPM002.htm

    Again, hard to see with your pics, but it may also be VDDR-001 - Nothing PCGS would attribute but you could take a look here to see if it is. You need to look at the T in United to see if it is doubled. varietyvista.com/01a%20LC%20Doubled%20Dies%20Vol%201/1909SDDR001.htm

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  • MWallace
    MWallace Posts: 4,682 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    64RD

  • ProofCollection
    ProofCollection Posts: 8,052 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Thanks guys, I realize my images to too poor to do this effectively. I'll see if I can get some better images and start over.

    Before I received the coin I thought it was S/S but in hand it most certainly is not.

  • tradedollarnut
    tradedollarnut Posts: 20,754 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    All I know is that if it’s a 65rb then I wanna buy it. Lol

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  • Mr_Spud
    Mr_Spud Posts: 7,272 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    66

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  • marcmoish
    marcmoish Posts: 6,936 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    64RD

  • Smudge
    Smudge Posts: 10,001 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    64RD.

  • safari_dude
    safari_dude Posts: 698 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    63 RB

  • TPring
    TPring Posts: 388 ✭✭✭
    edited January 18, 2026 10:31AM
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    @ProofCollection said:
    Thanks guys, I realize my images to too poor to do this effectively. I'll see if I can get some better images and start over.

    Before I received the coin I thought it was S/S but in hand it most certainly is not.

    Not sure how you are doing your comparison, but an overlay appears to precisely match up [given the pic quality] -- Not only that, the little glint of shiny metal immediately to the east lines up with the VV pic. That being said, if it is the variety then it is not major as that variety is a "dime -a-dozen" and really wouldn't add much [if any] value.

  • Walkerfan
    Walkerfan Posts: 10,391 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    65RD

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  • ProofCollection
    ProofCollection Posts: 8,052 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 18, 2026 4:56PM
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    @TPring said:

    @ProofCollection said:
    Thanks guys, I realize my images to too poor to do this effectively. I'll see if I can get some better images and start over.

    Before I received the coin I thought it was S/S but in hand it most certainly is not.

    Not sure how you are doing your comparison, but an overlay appears to precisely match up [given the pic quality] -- Not only that, the little glint of shiny metal immediately to the east lines up with the VV pic. That being said, if it is the variety then it is not major as that variety is a "dime -a-dozen" and really wouldn't add much [if any] value.

    In person, the the MM is nice and clean. I thought it might be S/S also, but when I got it I could easily see it's not.
    Incidentally, the PCGS price guide shows the S/S prices are lower than non-S/S.

  • Tramp
    Tramp Posts: 989 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I'm going with 64RB. OP could be hoping for a 65RD with an $750 jump per PCGS coinfacts. JMO

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  • Cougar1978
    Cougar1978 Posts: 10,067 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    64RD

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  • Crypto
    Crypto Posts: 4,098 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    64 Rd

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  • cheezhed
    cheezhed Posts: 6,405 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    64Red

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  • ProofCollection
    ProofCollection Posts: 8,052 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 7, 2026 7:39AM
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    ---- UPDATE ----

    Bump to re-start this GTG with all new guesses now that I have proper photos. Prior guesses can be revised or affirmed.

    Edited to add: I don't think its necessary to debate the color. It's RD.

  • MsMorrisine
    MsMorrisine Posts: 40,036 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    PCGS 65+RD

    the reverse details are fantastic for a business strike

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  • mr1931S
    mr1931S Posts: 7,308 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 7, 2026 7:29PM
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    Looks RBRD to me. Choice uncirculated.

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  • RedRocket
    RedRocket Posts: 1,922 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    66 R/B
    I am glad I waited to guess. Your follow-up photos are terrific.

  • coinbuf
    coinbuf Posts: 12,564 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @ProofCollection said:

    ---- UPDATE ----

    Bump to re-start this GTG with all new guesses now that I have proper photos. Prior guesses can be revised or affirmed.

    Edited to add: I don't think its necessary to debate the color. It's RD.

    The new PCGS photos are terrible and make the coin look more AU than MS.

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  • ChrisH821
    ChrisH821 Posts: 7,147 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    66

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  • marcmoish
    marcmoish Posts: 6,936 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Sticking to my 64 RD

  • Coinscratch
    Coinscratch Posts: 11,085 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I will upgrade my guess from 65 to 66+.
    Nice coin!

  • mr1931S
    mr1931S Posts: 7,308 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Edited to add: I don't think its necessary to debate the color. It's RD.

    RD. Choice uncirculated. Nice piece but not gem because of obverse spots.

    "Two things are infinite: human stupidity and the universe; and I'm not sure about the universe."
    -Albert Einstein-

    Mistakes are natural. But repeated mistakes without reflection are something else. That may be the “stupidity” he was referring to. In research, he admitted uncertainty openly. “If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?” This shows humility. Even a Nobel laureate accepted doubt. That humility makes the quote less cynical and more observational.

  • MsMorrisine
    MsMorrisine Posts: 40,036 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    when is the reveal?

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  • ProofCollection
    ProofCollection Posts: 8,052 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    ---- REVEAL----

    OK, some mixed results. I think the poor Trueview quality and it appears that this coin is just not photogenic. Thanks for the feedback guys. I felt the clean shoulder, clean fields, and strong strike (esp on the reverse) would qualify this one for 66. Maybe PCGS got this one right at MS65RD:

  • MsMorrisine
    MsMorrisine Posts: 40,036 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    looks better than a 65

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  • johnny9434
    johnny9434 Posts: 34,049 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    A nice grade for the coin 🪙

  • Coinscratch
    Coinscratch Posts: 11,085 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    So my original gut feeling was correct even with bad images lol. That coin is 66+ all day minus the black spots.
    They count off for that you know.

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