Seller on ebay doesn't know anything about his coin...Just that it's rare...

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mr1931S
mr1931S Posts: 7,308 ✭✭✭✭✭
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1894-S dime, uncertified. It's been bid to $2500 with a few days to go. Only $5.48 postage cost to the lucky winning bidder. Now, I can't find the picture for the 1894-S piece being offered in Flynn so hesitate to bid on this particular piece.

Could this be a hitherto undiscovered specimen of a great rarity, the 1894-S dime?

"Two things are infinite: human stupidity and the universe; and I'm not sure about the universe."
-Albert Einstein-

Mistakes are natural. But repeated mistakes without reflection are something else. That may be the “stupidity” he was referring to. In research, he admitted uncertainty openly. “If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?” This shows humility. Even a Nobel laureate accepted doubt. That humility makes the quote less cynical and more observational.

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  • MFeld
    MFeld Posts: 17,131 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Link?

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  • johnny9434
    johnny9434 Posts: 34,050 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Thats what the S is for, Special

  • Goob
    Goob Posts: 576 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @MFeld said:
    Link?

    I think I may have found it
    https://ebay.us/m/U74VMt

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  • RedRocket
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    I am 90% sure that is 100% fake.

  • Morgan13
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    Could be a setup. Make it look like seller sold one and had the positive feedback posted either by themselves or a friend. I suppose it uncirculated too!
    I would really like to see this coin.

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  • jesbroken
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    Funny how there are 3 bids totaling $2500 and bidding started at $2500. I would think that would be hard to do.
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  • MFeld
    MFeld Posts: 17,131 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @Goob said:

    @MFeld said:
    Link?

    I think I may have found it
    https://ebay.us/m/U74VMt

    Yes, that must be the listing, but please don’t bid on it.😉

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  • BJandTundra
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    How can it be ungraded but still have a CAC?

  • Greenstang
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    He says it is graded by NGC but doesn’t show it in a holder.

  • MFeld
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    @Greenstang said:
    He says it is graded by NGC but doesn’t show it in a holder.

    The listing also claims that the coin is CAC certified. The seller might not even know what that means.

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  • MFeld
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    @BJandTundra said:
    How can it be ungraded but still have a CAC?

    It can’t.

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  • vplite99
    vplite99 Posts: 1,434 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Nope!!!

    Vplite99
  • drmenard
    drmenard Posts: 10 ✭
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    The first 94s dime he sold was for $400. The buyer said he shipped it without tracking.

  • redraider
    redraider Posts: 368 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Kind of reminds me of this PCGS certified 1877 Indian Head Cent.....
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/306895244045?_skw=1877+indian&itmmeta=01KQGEGJ5WE7GEKY6E6XAC1NVX&hash=item477461cb0d:g:AqMAAeSwzU1pwH9k&itmprp=enc:AQALAAAA0GfYFPkwiKCW4ZNSs2u11xBiFE5q5dqIU9le0JeT2R8JLhNCGmeOOO6YaTP+/rvukmVv9+ipTYK9JRbRq75t+yoaas9HboktMUFneEtfPLZ/q0FMzWus13IK7sgMNaYKCRRc+VjwPJNXj5xdHzHO2X81F1Bc/zbVVeFTaxUmg/KeTDiXS30Q3eu0qln0Dm6GZq9INc3Z7l1m0mx2dzb3fD2rCN4rP8RJAS0O0LJe+TtrGdFVa3Q7jdUWdZhCLZ42EM0QEdeJ2AIsvMPnPMLc/0E=|tkp:Bk9SR5Kjwo68Zw&LH_Auction=1

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  • MasonG
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    Without the tracking stuff...

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/306895244045

  • jmlanzaf
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    @MasonG said:
    Without the tracking stuff...

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/306895244045

    That's a large cent. LOL.

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  • mr1931S
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    Further research reveals that this particular specimen of 1894-S dime was unknown to David Lawrence as well as Kevin Flynn. Don't anybody accuse me of not doing my due diligence when it comes to the 1894-S dime.

    "Two things are infinite: human stupidity and the universe; and I'm not sure about the universe."
    -Albert Einstein-

    Mistakes are natural. But repeated mistakes without reflection are something else. That may be the “stupidity” he was referring to. In research, he admitted uncertainty openly. “If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?” This shows humility. Even a Nobel laureate accepted doubt. That humility makes the quote less cynical and more observational.

  • mr1931S
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    I accidentally came across this listing while hunting for an 1894 Philly issue dime for my one-a-year Barber dime set. I would have posted the link but couldn't make it take here.

    "Two things are infinite: human stupidity and the universe; and I'm not sure about the universe."
    -Albert Einstein-

    Mistakes are natural. But repeated mistakes without reflection are something else. That may be the “stupidity” he was referring to. In research, he admitted uncertainty openly. “If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?” This shows humility. Even a Nobel laureate accepted doubt. That humility makes the quote less cynical and more observational.

  • mr1931S
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    @Old_Collector said:

    @lcutler said:
    Their only feedback as a seller is another 1894 s dime, they had two of them!

    Scam. Seller had two of the 10 known multi-million dollar coins. Right.
    https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/1894-s-10c/4805

    I expect that the S is for the Shanghai mint.

    I've got more than a couple 1894-S dime stories to tell. It's my favorite great rarity. B)

    "Two things are infinite: human stupidity and the universe; and I'm not sure about the universe."
    -Albert Einstein-

    Mistakes are natural. But repeated mistakes without reflection are something else. That may be the “stupidity” he was referring to. In research, he admitted uncertainty openly. “If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?” This shows humility. Even a Nobel laureate accepted doubt. That humility makes the quote less cynical and more observational.

  • Cougar1978
    Cougar1978 Posts: 10,067 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Run

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  • Ebeneezer
    Ebeneezer Posts: 401 ✭✭✭
    edited May 2, 2026 11:16AM
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    Sure, drop good money on it. Ignore the fact that a large part of the reverse details are non-existant. Enjoy your rare coin.

  • blaircountycoin
    blaircountycoin Posts: 280 ✭✭✭
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    I looked at his Ebay listings. Forget the 94s, I want the $30000 1932 slabbed quarter in AU details!

  • mr1931S
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    @MFeld said:
    eBay looked into my two reports - one that the coin wasn’t genuine and the other, that the seller was misrepresenting the coin as being certified by NGC and CAC. And they determined that the listing wasn’t in violation of their policy.

    They need to ****can their AI bot counterfeit expert.

    "Two things are infinite: human stupidity and the universe; and I'm not sure about the universe."
    -Albert Einstein-

    Mistakes are natural. But repeated mistakes without reflection are something else. That may be the “stupidity” he was referring to. In research, he admitted uncertainty openly. “If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?” This shows humility. Even a Nobel laureate accepted doubt. That humility makes the quote less cynical and more observational.

  • MFeld
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    @mr1931S said:

    @MFeld said:
    eBay looked into my two reports - one that the coin wasn’t genuine and the other, that the seller was misrepresenting the coin as being certified by NGC and CAC. And they determined that the listing wasn’t in violation of their policy.

    They need to ****can their AI bot counterfeit expert.

    It’s not only about the failure to eliminate even blatant counterfeits. As mentioned, I also submitted a separate report regarding the seller’s misrepresentation that the coin was certified by NGC and CAC. That should have been a slam dunk determination by human or AI, that the seller was in violation of eBay policy.

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  • DesertCoin
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    Fake

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    @MFeld said:

    @mr1931S said:

    @MFeld said:
    eBay looked into my two reports - one that the coin wasn’t genuine and the other, that the seller was misrepresenting the coin as being certified by NGC and CAC. And they determined that the listing wasn’t in violation of their policy.

    They need to ****can their AI bot counterfeit expert.

    It’s not only about the failure to eliminate even blatant counterfeits. As mentioned, I also submitted a separate report regarding the seller’s misrepresentation that the coin was certified by NGC and CAC. That should have been a slam dunk determination by human or AI, that the seller was in violation of eBay policy.

    Doubt it would get any better if GameStop acquires eBay. :D

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  • Old_Collector
    Old_Collector Posts: 1,210 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 11, 2026 6:04PM
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    I watched the new ANA video on Chinese counterfeits, very interesting -- the Chinese manufacturers have 300-500 lot minimums and can provide up to 100,000 a month on some "coins." Also, interesting the comment that basically the entire Red Book has been copied:

    https://youtu.be/0hDieI9gocY?si=35bBbYAXvQ2Uny_H

  • BillJones
    BillJones Posts: 35,933 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I am surprised that CoinFacts does not show one. As you can see from the real one at the bottom, which Legend Numismatics handled, the date on the eBay offering does not match. Also the the rims and the dentiles are wrong. The verdict is, this piece is a counterfeit.

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  • Connecticoin
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    It’s a pretty good fake - or it could be the unique “inverted S” variety!

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  • mr1931S
    mr1931S Posts: 7,308 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    The date is generally hard for the fakers to get right. One digit of the date on the counterfeit piece, the "8", looks really bad. Also, look how lame and anemic looking the "1" is.

    "Two things are infinite: human stupidity and the universe; and I'm not sure about the universe."
    -Albert Einstein-

    Mistakes are natural. But repeated mistakes without reflection are something else. That may be the “stupidity” he was referring to. In research, he admitted uncertainty openly. “If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?” This shows humility. Even a Nobel laureate accepted doubt. That humility makes the quote less cynical and more observational.

  • Old_Collector
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    edited May 11, 2026 6:08PM
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    @MFeld said:

    @mr1931S said:

    @MFeld said:
    eBay looked into my two reports - one that the coin wasn’t genuine and the other, that the seller was misrepresenting the coin as being certified by NGC and CAC. And they determined that the listing wasn’t in violation of their policy.

    They need to ****can their AI bot counterfeit expert.

    It’s not only about the failure to eliminate even blatant counterfeits. As mentioned, I also submitted a separate report regarding the seller’s misrepresentation that the coin was certified by NGC and CAC. That should have been a slam dunk determination by human or AI, that the seller was in violation of eBay policy.

    I reported 2 circulated raw Lincoln cents that are listed as NGC MS64 and PCGS MS65, and the only pictures of the coins were the well worn coins sitting on a flat surface without any slab. AI told me there was no problem with the listings. I give up.

  • Old_Collector
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    @BillJones said:
    I am surprised that CoinFacts does not show one. As you can see from the real one at the bottom, which Legend Numismatics handled, the date on the eBay offering does not match. Also the the rims and the dentiles are wrong. The verdict is, this piece is a counterfeit.

    CoinFacts shows 3 (PR66, PR64+, and PR63): https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/1894-s-10c/images/4805
    They are listed at the very end of the proof Barber dimes.

  • MFeld
    MFeld Posts: 17,131 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @Old_Collector said:

    @MFeld said:

    @mr1931S said:

    @MFeld said:
    eBay looked into my two reports - one that the coin wasn’t genuine and the other, that the seller was misrepresenting the coin as being certified by NGC and CAC. And they determined that the listing wasn’t in violation of their policy.

    They need to ****can their AI bot counterfeit expert.

    It’s not only about the failure to eliminate even blatant counterfeits. As mentioned, I also submitted a separate report regarding the seller’s misrepresentation that the coin was certified by NGC and CAC. That should have been a slam dunk determination by human or AI, that the seller was in violation of eBay policy.

    I reported 2 circulated raw Lincoln cents that are listed as NGC MS64 and PCGS MS65, and the only pictures of the coins were the well worn coins sitting on a flat surface without any slab. AI told me there was no problem with the listings. I give up.

    Sadly, I’m not surprised at their decision. It’s really difficult to fathom, though, as they shouldn’t need coin experts to get that right.

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  • lordmarcovan
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    The eBay fake doesn’t even look like a proof.

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  • mr1931S
    mr1931S Posts: 7,308 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    All four digits of the date on the counterfeit piece look like hell. A sorry 1894-S counterfeit I saw many years ago actually had a good-looking date because a genuine 1894 Philly issue was used with an 'S' mintmark soldered on. Horrid looking fake with globules of silver solder hanging on and scorched partially melted features around the soldered on 'S' mintmark.

    Two characters had walked into the coin store (Dan Brown's shop on E. Colfax, Denver) with a coin they were wanting $50K for. 1894-S dime. I was just a customer in the store but they showed me the piece when the store employee they first showed it to said he had to go to the back of the store to discuss with the owner whether they would buy or pass on purchasing. I didn't offer an opinion on their coin but it was very obvious to me they were trying to sell the store a fake.

    The employee came back to the counter and told the two that the shop would buy their coin only if was deemed to be authentic by ANACS.

    "Two things are infinite: human stupidity and the universe; and I'm not sure about the universe."
    -Albert Einstein-

    Mistakes are natural. But repeated mistakes without reflection are something else. That may be the “stupidity” he was referring to. In research, he admitted uncertainty openly. “If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?” This shows humility. Even a Nobel laureate accepted doubt. That humility makes the quote less cynical and more observational.

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