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GTG of My New Trade Dollar. Grade Revealed.

jfriedm56jfriedm56 Posts: 2,865 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited April 27, 2026 10:14AM in U.S. Coin Forum

Purchased this Trade dollar today at a local show. Guess away.

Edited to note that this coin was straight graded by our hosts and is not a details coin. So for those who put it as a details coin want to change their opinions feel free to guess again.
Hope the higher graded people aren’t disappointed.

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  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,438 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I’d want to see a video of this rotated under light before making a guess.

  • RelaxnRelaxn Posts: 1,191 ✭✭✭✭✭

    First glance details... but agree with cameo need to see better images or a video

  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 31,444 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Love the reverse on it. Im not sure what to make of the obverse yet

  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,438 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I’ll bite. Blowing it up, the lines definitely are incused and cross the devices. Also looking at the halos around the stars. These look like hairlines and altered surfaces rather than semi-PL fields with die polish.

    Final guess: UNC details altered surfaces

  • ajaanajaan Posts: 17,862 ✭✭✭✭✭

    MS63


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  • MaywoodMaywood Posts: 3,915 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Details Cleaned.

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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 38,670 ✭✭✭✭✭

    AU Detaiils Cleaned

  • Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 12,032 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @johnny9434 said:
    Love the reverse on it. Im not sure what to make of the obverse yet

    Agree, that eagle just pops from the fields. Deets or not, I still like it.

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  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 31,444 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Im in at 63 then

  • Morgan13Morgan13 Posts: 2,301 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 26, 2026 2:40PM

    My thinking is that knowing you its got to be in a good holder. Ive seen your stuff.
    Ill go out on a limb and say PCGS MS65
    I almost said PL too.

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  • USMarine6USMarine6 Posts: 2,046 ✭✭✭✭✭

    MS61

  • jfriedm56jfriedm56 Posts: 2,865 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Great guesses everyone. I’m going to let this go for 24 hours.

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 16,328 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 26, 2026 5:02PM

    @jfriedm56 said:
    Great guesses everyone. I’m going to let this go for 24 hours.

    I'm hoping you can help me out here - with grade guesses ranging from AU details to MS65, how can all of them be great? ;)

    I'm in the MS63 crowd.

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  • jfriedm56jfriedm56 Posts: 2,865 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:

    @jfriedm56 said:
    Great guesses everyone. I’m going to let this go for 24 hours.

    I'm hoping you can help me out here - with grade guesses ranging from AU details to MS65, how can all of them be great? ;)

    I’m open to everyone’s opinions. Everyone has one, right or wrong

  • pursuitoflibertypursuitofliberty Posts: 7,720 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:

    @jfriedm56 said:
    Great guesses everyone. I’m going to let this go for 24 hours.

    I'm hoping you can help me out here - with grade guesses ranging from AU details to MS65, how can all of them be great? ;)

    I'm in the MS63 crowd.

    .
    Just take the middle road Mark. It's easier there.

    :p:D j/k

    .
    Also put me down as a 64. I like it, even if the roller marks on the obverse are a little distracting.


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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 38,670 ✭✭✭✭✭

    this one will need discussion

  • SollaSollewSollaSollew Posts: 1,188 ✭✭✭✭✭

    MS62 PL
    Nice coin.

  • scotty1419scotty1419 Posts: 1,106 ✭✭✭

    Reverse looks like a proof or at least PL.

    Obverse - is that cleaning damage, or die marks? Because the image seems to suggest complete breaks in the luster, I think it's either wear (at best) or cleaning.

    Maybe graders accepted the obverse issues because of the overall nicer qualities of the coin?

  • logger7logger7 Posts: 9,514 ✭✭✭✭✭

    First thought MS64 or plus; nice conserved coin obviously as many of these come toned out.

  • thebeavthebeav Posts: 4,088 ✭✭✭✭✭

    62

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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 38,670 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jfriedm56 said:
    Edited to note that this coin was straight graded by our hosts and is not a details coin. So for those who put it as a details coin want to change their opinions feel free to guess again.


    seems like scratches there

    i'll just say 58

  • Mr_SpudMr_Spud Posts: 7,054 ✭✭✭✭✭

    62

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  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,580 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I’m in the 62 crowd

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  • MarkInDavisMarkInDavis Posts: 1,738 ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 26, 2026 9:03PM

    The wide range of guesses demonstrates that grading from photos is tough. I find the fields along Liberty's outstretched arm concerning as well as the area under 420 on the reverse. Since you say it is straight graded I would guess 58-61. The guy that posted above me has a lot more knowledge and experience than me, so he is probably more accurate.

    image Respectfully, Mark
  • pcgsregistrycollectorpcgsregistrycollector Posts: 2,275 ✭✭✭✭✭

    62 @jfriedm56 I like the coin!

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  • GoldbullyGoldbully Posts: 18,429 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Liberty's hair details are incredible, almost too incredible. The stars are also amazingly defined.

    If I check Coin Facts, it has 65 characteristics and then some.

  • DesertCoinDesertCoin Posts: 286 ✭✭✭

    64

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  • oldglorycoinsoldglorycoins Posts: 242 ✭✭✭

    61

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  • jfriedm56jfriedm56 Posts: 2,865 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Many of your same thoughts were going through my mind as I was viewing this coin for the first time. I saw what appeared to be hairlines on the obverse, above, across and below her outstretched arm. That was concerning to me. Also numerous minor surface anomalies, both on the obverse and reverse, all of which have been discussed by the respondents.
    Now on the other hand, as noted, the details on this coin are incredibly well struck. Full stars, head features, hand, all there. And the reverse, a frosty fully struck eagle, with proof like surfaces.
    So to answer your question @MFeld, the reason I said, great guesses everyone, was because this coin sends out different messages to different people.
    Wanted to add- and this coin possesses incredible cartwheel luster when viewed in hand, the overall look was appealing.
    So I just wanted to clear the air and explain my choice as to why I purchased this particular Trade dollar.
    Thanks to all, and will reveal grade this afternoon. Zack.

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 16,328 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jfriedm56 said:
    Many of your same thoughts were going through my mind as I was viewing this coin for the first time. I saw what appeared to be hairlines on the obverse, above, across and below her outstretched arm. That was concerning to me. Also numerous minor surface anomalies, both on the obverse and reverse, all of which have been discussed by the respondents.
    Now on the other hand, as noted, the details on this coin are incredibly well struck. Full stars, head features, hand, all there. And the reverse, a frosty fully struck eagle, with proof like surfaces.
    So to answer your question @MFeld, the reason I said, great guesses everyone, was because this coin sends out different messages to different people.
    Wanted to add- and this coin possesses incredible cartwheel luster when viewed in hand, the overall look was appealing.
    So I just wanted to clear the air and explain my choice as to why I purchased this particular Trade dollar.
    Thanks to all, and will reveal grade this afternoon. Zack.

    @jfriedm56 , Zack, I look forward to the grade reveal. Before arriving at my guess of MS63, I had considered different possibilities ranging from MS62 to MS63+. And, even though I wouldn’t even consider the “PL” designation that some respondents did, the luster looks to be far above average.

    Sadly😉, we’ll still have to agree to disagree about all of the guesses being great ones. As, however unusual the coin might look or difficult it might be to assess from its images, I can’t fathom the AU guesses or the MS65 one. For anyone who’s offended by that, feel free to call me bad names, as long as they aren’t against forum rules.

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  • jfriedm56jfriedm56 Posts: 2,865 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld, Mark, ok. let's put this to rest. The reason I said that was to encourage more people to engage in the discussion. If I said the AU details or MS65 guesses were so far off, that it wouldn't pertain to the coin I presented, then that would IMO, turn people off and I wanted to keep this thread going. That's all. Zack.

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 16,328 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jfriedm56 said:
    @MFeld, Mark, ok. let's put this to rest. The reason I said that was to encourage more people to engage in the discussion. If I said the AU details or MS65 guesses were so far off, that it wouldn't pertain to the coin I presented, then that would IMO, turn people off and I wanted to keep this thread going. That's all. Zack.

    @jfriedm56, Zack, I understand your reasoning and respect it.

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  • WaterSportWaterSport Posts: 7,030 ✭✭✭✭✭

    63+

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  • lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 9,282 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Lots to consider... I'll say MS63PL

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  • TennesseeDaveTennesseeDave Posts: 4,869 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I admit that I would have said UNC. Det. at first, but since you said it's straight graded, I'll say 63.

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  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,580 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If it has incredible luster, which is not apparent in the picture, then it is going to grade significantly higher than my initial guess

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  • kazkaz Posts: 9,331 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm in the 63 camp. A beautifully struck coin.

  • jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 11,135 ✭✭✭✭✭

    63+
    Beautiful T$.
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  • oldabeintxoldabeintx Posts: 2,855 ✭✭✭✭✭

    MS 64. Photo appears to hint at some serious luster.

  • oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 12,975 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Well struck, MS62.

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  • marcmoishmarcmoish Posts: 6,877 ✭✭✭✭✭

    MS63

  • jfriedm56jfriedm56 Posts: 2,865 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @USMarine6, @oldglorycoins, got it right. I thought it was going to be a tough guess. Thanks for all who participated.
    Zack. At a quick glance in hand looks like a higher grade.

  • scotty1419scotty1419 Posts: 1,106 ✭✭✭

    I would have a hard time saying the obverse pictures are the same coin.

  • Baylor8670Baylor8670 Posts: 228 ✭✭✭

    Net grades are always tough to GTG

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 16,328 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jfriedm56 said:
    @USMarine6, @oldglorycoins, got it right. I thought it was going to be a tough guess. Thanks for all who participated.
    Zack. At a quick glance in hand looks like a higher grade.

    Based on the grade reveal, obviously, quite a few of us think it looks very nice for the assigned grade.

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  • Morgan13Morgan13 Posts: 2,301 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 27, 2026 1:05PM

    I was way off but I did get the PCGS part right. Knowing Zacks history for high quality, high grade coins I put up a high number.
    MS61 is an unusual grade for any coin.
    Regardless it is a nice trade dollar.seen.
    @MFeld your always picking on me ;)

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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 38,670 ✭✭✭✭✭

    the slab shots look so much better

    ps - wah

  • USMarine6USMarine6 Posts: 2,046 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Wahoo!! Sooo? What do i win again?

  • jfriedm56jfriedm56 Posts: 2,865 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @USMarine6 said:
    Wahoo!! Sooo? What do i win again?

    Again, nothing!

  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 38,670 ✭✭✭✭✭

    where did the striations come from?

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