So guys what do you think of this coin in 5 years? Is it a good investment if someone bought it on Feb 26th for $173 ? Do you think it would worth at least +$500 in 5 years?
No... unless silver is at $510
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No OGP then $27 back of oz spot & not in 5 years but immediately:
Summer, Fall, Winter of 2026.
Slab it as a 70 from anybody but you lost the COA / OGP and you are getting minus $27 under spot at local coin shop.
OGP gone ? No $25 for you !
I think all these 2026 USMINT offers are appallingly expensive !
But over the decades I have noticed instant flippers can double their money due to near future buyers having to have this that or the other.
I am getting more than I care to own of four offers so I can cash out of the spares and lower my outlay on what I keep. I do want to keep one where I am limited to just one of 60k or two of each thing.
I am a hard pass at premium priced 1776~2026 ASE $ with possible 500k mintage.
Happy Shopping !
Lindy
@SilverPlatinum said:
So guys what do you think of this coin in 5 years? Is it a good investment if someone bought it on Feb 26th for $173 ? Do you think it would worth at least +$500 in 5 years?
@Rc5280 said:
NJ,
You never left the discussion, and I expect many more posts from you, the expert on this release, moving forward in this thread.
Who said anything about the secondary? Who said anything about performance on TV, or Bulk seller profits?
Who said anything about a sellout?
Why is it automatically assumed that if a product doesn't sell out within hours or minutes on day one, it's a Loser, a Dud?
Ludacris on its face.
This release might seem like a Dud to you and the OP, but it ain't no Dud to the Mint, and I can assure you that they're going to make a 'Mint' on this release - pun intended.
To start a thread or discussion on an upcoming Mint release is one thing.
To then hope for said release to Crash, Burn, and Melt is an embarrassment to the OP. IMO.
To be fair, I really don't think anyone, certainly not me, is "hope for said release to Crash, Burn, and Melt."
These are all just discussions, opinions, etc. With respect to me, what you characterize as "bashing" is an expression of frustration over a lack of transparency regarding published mintages and general disclosures.
What others are expressing, rightfully so, is frustration over pricing and/or mintages. As FH Gold privies and Omega cents have demonstrated, if the Mint makes few enough of anything, they can be winners at pretty much any price.
The converse is also true. No matter how money the Mint makes, from a collector/investor point of view, a new release is a "dud" if it does not hold its value after purchase. By that definition, 500K one ounce silver coins made for sale in February 2026 at $173 each will be duds. Period.
Because, sure, the Mint makes a "mint" (pun intended) on everything. Other than nickels today. It has a government monopoly to make legal tender coinage.
Doesn't mean a NCLT coin with a mintage of 500K is not a dud if it does not sell out. Because the unsold inventory represents an overhang on the secondary market, depressing value. And because the Mint wasted money turning potentially over 100K ounces of silver into paperweights collecting dust in a warehouse.
The idea with NCLT is to try to match mintage to demand. Actually making a little less in order to support the secondary market, in order to support continued demand in the future. And then to price correctly, since price directly correlates to demand, given that NCLT is not food, water or shelter.
Not to just make anything at any price, in any quantity, and then declare victory because the monopoly manufacturer of American legal tender coinage was able to sell product above the marginal cost of production.
"To be fair, I really don't think anyone, certainly not me, is "hope for said release to Crash, Burn, and Melt.""
That was the OP making a mockery of his own thread with that statement, seen above.
"These are all just discussions, opinions, etc. With respect to me, what you characterize as "bashing" is an expression of frustration over a lack of transparency regarding published mintages and general disclosures."
Agree, just discussions, opinions, etc. You are a well known critic of the Mint, and since you are sometimes wrong in your interpretation of stated Mintage limits vs actual mintages, you lash out in frustration to save face. I get it. You still seem to struggle, as you're taking the mintage limit of 500k coins and suggesting that they will have 500k for sale next week. There is no way they are going to mint 500k of these coins - no way. As I've said above, 300k is plenty enough to go around.
The Mint is as transparent as can be. No secrets, no lies, no shenanigans. Just me.
" The converse is also true. No matter how money the Mint makes, from a collector/investor point of view, a new release is a "dud" if it does not hold its value after purchase. By that definition, 500K one ounce silver coins made for sale in February 2026 at $173 each will be duds. Period."
The Mint is not interested in what a collector/investor's point of view is when it comes to value after purchase or secondary performance. Dud interpreted or not, Period.
Some have even suggested that the Mint is now monitoring the secondary, and raising prices to cash in on what would otherwise go to flippers & arbitrages -- Hogwash.
The Mint is DONE with allowing the Numismatic side to Subsidize the Circulating side of production, particularly when it comes to Numi Gold.
The Core sets are no longer going to be subsidized either, as they've been in the negative net for years.
Those who are complaining about the price increases might just want to thank the Mint for offering such cheap prices prior to this year, particularly for those core sets... Where's the gratitude?
The Mint is finally taking some steps to run itself more like a business vs a form of welfare.
A comment gathered from the web, [sic] "when silver was at around $30, the mint was charging around $90 for silver eagles" [sic]
Personally, I am not sticking up for the casino, just sharing a hearsay comment.
Aside: Since the 2026 proof dual date (Lib Bell privy) is the first dual date ASE ever, does this count for anything in terms of collector interest, short and long term?
The 1986 ASE was the first issue date but the highest mintage (5M plus) of the series. So current prices are a bit higher, both raw and graded, than say, silver cash spot, right now.
@Heubschgold said:
A comment gathered from the web, [sic] "when silver was at around $30, the mint was charging around $90 for silver eagles" [sic]
Personally, I am not sticking up for the casino, just sharing a hearsay comment.
Aside: Since the 2026 proof dual date (Lib Bell privy) is the first dual date ASE ever, does this count for anything in terms of collector interest, short and long term?
The 1986 ASE was the first issue date but the highest mintage (5M plus) of the series. So current prices are a bit higher, both raw and graded, than say, silver cash spot, right now.
Yes. This is why they are making 500K. Unfortunately, they are being too optimistic. Probably by more than a factor of 2.
100K was the sweet spot last year, as evidenced by rabid demand and quick sell outs of privy marked proof ASEs at $105 each. When a few stragglers found their way to the website last week at $175, it took days for them to sell out with no HHL.
The fact that silver is now 3x what it was this time last year, and the price of Mint numismatic product almost double, does not help demand. $100 over spot does not leave a lot of room for anything they sell to either hold its value or even advance in the secondary market.
Drop the mintage low enough, though, and anything can be a winner. Which is why 60K Congratulations Sets should be winners. Not so much for 500K "2026 proof dual date (Lib Bell privy) is the first dual date ASE ever,"
100K would have been a home run, since there will surely be increased interest as compared to a normal proof ASE. 200K probably also would have been good. But, given where 100K 2025 proof privies trade today, and given a $173 issue price, do not expect the Mint to be able to sell 500K. The mintage limit and expected market overhang will suppress interest.
@Heubschgold said:
A comment gathered from the web, [sic] "when silver was at around $30, the mint was charging around $90 for silver eagles" [sic]
Personally, I am not sticking up for the casino, just sharing a hearsay comment.
Aside: Since the 2026 proof dual date (Lib Bell privy) is the first dual date ASE ever, does this count for anything in terms of collector interest, short and long term?
The 1986 ASE was the first issue date but the highest mintage (5M plus) of the series. So current prices are a bit higher, both raw and graded, than say, silver cash spot, right now.
Yes. This is why they are making 500K. Unfortunately, they are being too optimistic. Probably by more than a factor of 2.
100K was the sweet spot last year, as evidenced by rabid demand and quick sell outs of privy marked proof ASEs at $105 each. When a few stragglers found their way to the website last week at $175, it took days for them to sell out with no HHL.
The fact that silver is now 3x what it was this time last year, and the price of Mint numismatic product almost double, does not help demand. $100 over spot does not leave a lot of room for anything they sell to either hold its value or even advance in the secondary market.
Drop the mintage low enough, though, and anything can be a winner. Which is why 60K Congratulations Sets should be winners. Not so much for 500K "2026 proof dual date (Lib Bell privy) is the first dual date ASE ever,"
100K would have been a home run, since there will surely be increased interest as compared to a normal proof ASE. 200K probably also would have been good. But, given where 100K 2025 proof privies trade today, and given a $173 issue price, do not expect the Mint to be able to sell 500K. The mintage limit and expected market overhang will suppress interest.
I just went through fleabay sold "2025 privy proof American silver eagles" and you are right. The 2026 lib bell privy RAW ought to be a just under break even in short term raw coin re-sale. Its only salvation for an edge up in the distant future would be a much higher cash spot silver price confirmation.
Plenty of time until the 2076 Tricentennial. (I will be pushing daisies- not Liberty Sunflowers)
A graded sp70 2026 ASE might just break even in the distant future. Short term I think those ae selling at a decent $90+ profit up by dealers.
@Heubschgold said:
A comment gathered from the web, [sic] "when silver was at around $30, the mint was charging around $90 for silver eagles" [sic]
Personally, I am not sticking up for the casino, just sharing a hearsay comment.
Aside: Since the 2026 proof dual date (Lib Bell privy) is the first dual date ASE ever, does this count for anything in terms of collector interest, short and long term?
The 1986 ASE was the first issue date but the highest mintage (5M plus) of the series. So current prices are a bit higher, both raw and graded, than say, silver cash spot, right now.
Yes. This is why they are making 500K. Unfortunately, they are being too optimistic. Probably by more than a factor of 2.
100K was the sweet spot last year, as evidenced by rabid demand and quick sell outs of privy marked proof ASEs at $105 each. When a few stragglers found their way to the website last week at $175, it took days for them to sell out with no HHL.
The fact that silver is now 3x what it was this time last year, and the price of Mint numismatic product almost double, does not help demand. $100 over spot does not leave a lot of room for anything they sell to either hold its value or even advance in the secondary market.
Drop the mintage low enough, though, and anything can be a winner. Which is why 60K Congratulations Sets should be winners. Not so much for 500K "2026 proof dual date (Lib Bell privy) is the first dual date ASE ever,"
100K would have been a home run, since there will surely be increased interest as compared to a normal proof ASE. 200K probably also would have been good. But, given where 100K 2025 proof privies trade today, and given a $173 issue price, do not expect the Mint to be able to sell 500K. The mintage limit and expected market overhang will suppress interest.
I just went through fleabay sold "2025 privy proof American silver eagles" and you are right. The 2026 lib bell privy RAW ought to be a just under break even in short term raw coin re-sale. Its only salvation for an edge up in the distant future would be a much higher cash spot silver price confirmation.
Plenty of time until the 2076 Tricentennial. (I will be pushing daisies- not Liberty Sunflowers)
A graded sp70 2026 ASE might just break even in the distant future. Short term I think those ae selling at a decent $90+ profit up by dealers.
Except the 2026 is going to have 5x the mintage. It's really hard to see them worth even $173 in the secondary market, given the mintage and spot at <$100. Look to prior years with mintages in the hundreds of thousands for a clue as to what these will be worth.
@Heubschgold said:
A comment gathered from the web, [sic] "when silver was at around $30, the mint was charging around $90 for silver eagles" [sic]
Personally, I am not sticking up for the casino, just sharing a hearsay comment.
Aside: Since the 2026 proof dual date (Lib Bell privy) is the first dual date ASE ever, does this count for anything in terms of collector interest, short and long term?
The 1986 ASE was the first issue date but the highest mintage (5M plus) of the series. So current prices are a bit higher, both raw and graded, than say, silver cash spot, right now.
Yes. This is why they are making 500K. Unfortunately, they are being too optimistic. Probably by more than a factor of 2.
100K was the sweet spot last year, as evidenced by rabid demand and quick sell outs of privy marked proof ASEs at $105 each. When a few stragglers found their way to the website last week at $175, it took days for them to sell out with no HHL.
The fact that silver is now 3x what it was this time last year, and the price of Mint numismatic product almost double, does not help demand. $100 over spot does not leave a lot of room for anything they sell to either hold its value or even advance in the secondary market.
Drop the mintage low enough, though, and anything can be a winner. Which is why 60K Congratulations Sets should be winners. Not so much for 500K "2026 proof dual date (Lib Bell privy) is the first dual date ASE ever,"
100K would have been a home run, since there will surely be increased interest as compared to a normal proof ASE. 200K probably also would have been good. But, given where 100K 2025 proof privies trade today, and given a $173 issue price, do not expect the Mint to be able to sell 500K. The mintage limit and expected market overhang will suppress interest.
I just went through fleabay sold "2025 privy proof American silver eagles" and you are right. The 2026 lib bell privy RAW ought to be a just under break even in short term raw coin re-sale. Its only salvation for an edge up in the distant future would be a much higher cash spot silver price confirmation.
Plenty of time until the 2076 Tricentennial. (I will be pushing daisies- not Liberty Sunflowers)
A graded sp70 2026 ASE might just break even in the distant future. Short term I think those ae selling at a decent $90+ profit up by dealers.
Except the 2026 is going to have 5x the mintage. It's really hard to see them worth even $173 in the secondary market, given the mintage and spot at <$100. Look to prior years with mintages in the hundreds of thousands for a clue as to what these will be worth.
Yeah, anything with a 500,000 mintage is selling at spot. I don't know why he LOL'ed you. The "unique" nature of the one-year type won't help at that mintage. I mean, it will help it sell out of the gate, but not in the long term.
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feels deceptive! would be nice to let it sell out through the mintage limit instead of artificially reducing the amount available to "sell out"
That's not the reason. They made less because they didn't want to risk being stuck with several hundred thousand that they couldn't sell.
In the past, they would have taken Back Orders after they sold through their inventory, but hadn't hit the mintage limit and intended to make more. Unclear why they are not doing that now, since people might lose interest and move on if they don't hear anything about these for a few weeks.
feels deceptive! would be nice to let it sell out through the mintage limit instead of artificially reducing the amount available to "sell out"
That's not the reason. They made less because they didn't want to risk being stuck with several hundred thousand that they couldn't sell.
In the past, they would have taken Back Orders after they sold through their inventory, but hadn't hit the mintage limit and intended to make more. Unclear why they are not doing that now, since people might lose interest and move on if they don't hear anything about these for a few weeks.
They might also be having planchet supply issues. They stopped shipping regular ASEs for a while.
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feels deceptive! would be nice to let it sell out through the mintage limit instead of artificially reducing the amount available to "sell out"
That's not the reason. They made less because they didn't want to risk being stuck with several hundred thousand that they couldn't sell.
In the past, they would have taken Back Orders after they sold through their inventory, but hadn't hit the mintage limit and intended to make more. Unclear why they are not doing that now, since people might lose interest and move on if they don't hear anything about these for a few weeks.
They might also be having planchet supply issues. They stopped shipping regular ASEs for a while.
Even so, in the past they would take Back Orders, even if they had to keep pushing back ship dates. They allowed people to buy, and to know they had confirmed orders, even when they had no current inventory.
Now, for whatever reason, manifesting @HATTRICK's saying about a box of chocolates, you never actually know what they are going to do, regardless of what they say. HHL of 1, unless you had a subscription for more, or try to violate the limit. Mintage limit of 500K, but they cut off sales at around 300K. And then post on social media that they will make more later.
Sometimes they mint to the limit. Sometimes they don't. Regardless of demand, or lack thereof.
So some things, like Morgan and Peace Dollars, sit unsold for years, while others are short minted, sell out in 5 minutes, and never come back. There is no rhyme or reason, and no discernible pattern. The only saving grace, for those paying attention, is that they have done this enough over the past few years that no one should be surprised, or rely on what they say.
I guess another benefit is that the sell out now of the dual dated coins will allow people to sell at inflated prices now to people who don't understand or know that the Mint announced that more will be coming later. You can be sure that the TV guys will be screaming about the sell out without mentioning that only a little more than half of the maximum mintage was sold, with more to come.
Lack of planchets, packaging, production capacity, etc., are always possible convenient excuses that can never be disproven, but they will be BS more often than not. Planchets for NCLT are for the most part interchangeable, and they are the US freaking Mint. They can do what they want. Including get more of anything, and move production around as necessary. Or just truthfully disclose whatever it is that they are going to do when they are going to short mint and not make more.
In this case, I honestly don't think there is going to be a reason not to make as many dual date ASEs as they can sell up to the limit. But what they did with the Congratulations coins really is inexcusable, given how good they are bound to be. Once again, shame on them, even though people also have themselves to blame, because they were out there, freely available and waiting to be discovered, for several months last fall.
@Bullsitter said:
Mintage increase and HHL went from 10 to 1,,,,,,,
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I like the looks of this one. I see several saying they have subscribed to 10 of them prior to the image being posted and the HHL being lowered to one.
That's not the reason. They made less because they didn't want to risk being stuck with several hundred thousand that they couldn't sell.
In the past, they would have taken Back Orders after they sold through their inventory, but hadn't hit the mintage limit and intended to make more. Unclear why they are not doing that now, since people might lose interest and move on if they don't hear anything about these for a few weeks.
With all the coins and medals that they have to do for the year, I would be surprised if they mint any more of anything that runs out.
That's not the reason. They made less because they didn't want to risk being stuck with several hundred thousand that they couldn't sell.
In the past, they would have taken Back Orders after they sold through their inventory, but hadn't hit the mintage limit and intended to make more. Unclear why they are not doing that now, since people might lose interest and move on if they don't hear anything about these for a few weeks.
With all the coins and medals that they have to do for the year, I would be surprised if they mint any more of anything that runs out.
Then you are going to be surprised. They have short minted before, without any disclosure beforehand.
But they have never affirmatively said they will mint up to the limit if necessary to meet demand, and then failed to do so. First time for everything, but I will happily take the other side of your bet, and bet that you will indeed be surprised on these.
I'm not sure what's left of the Philadelphia coin, give that the maximum was only 60K in the first place, but they sure have close to 200K of the dual dated coins left to make, if not more. As long as they can sell them at close to $100 over spot, there is no reason for them not to make room in the production schedule to do so. After all, they are no longer making cents. That had to free up some capacity.
That's not the reason. They made less because they didn't want to risk being stuck with several hundred thousand that they couldn't sell.
In the past, they would have taken Back Orders after they sold through their inventory, but hadn't hit the mintage limit and intended to make more. Unclear why they are not doing that now, since people might lose interest and move on if they don't hear anything about these for a few weeks.
With all the coins and medals that they have to do for the year, I would be surprised if they mint any more of anything that runs out.
Then you are going to be surprised. They have short minted before, without any disclosure beforehand.
But they have never affirmatively said they will mint up to the limit if necessary to meet demand, and then failed to do so. First time for everything, but I will happily take the other side of your bet, and bet that you will indeed be surprised on these.
I'm not sure what's left of the Philadelphia coin, give that the maximum was only 60K in the first place, but they sure have close to 200K of the dual dated coins left to make, if not more. As long as they can sell them at close to $100 over spot, there is not reason for them not to make room in the production schedule to do so. After all, they are no longer making cents. That had to free up some capacity.
I generally agree with what you're saying. But I'm not sure that not making cents correlates to increased capacity to strike proofs.
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That's not the reason. They made less because they didn't want to risk being stuck with several hundred thousand that they couldn't sell.
In the past, they would have taken Back Orders after they sold through their inventory, but hadn't hit the mintage limit and intended to make more. Unclear why they are not doing that now, since people might lose interest and move on if they don't hear anything about these for a few weeks.
With all the coins and medals that they have to do for the year, I would be surprised if they mint any more of anything that runs out.
Then you are going to be surprised. They have short minted before, without any disclosure beforehand.
But they have never affirmatively said they will mint up to the limit if necessary to meet demand, and then failed to do so. First time for everything, but I will happily take the other side of your bet, and bet that you will indeed be surprised on these.
I'm not sure what's left of the Philadelphia coin, give that the maximum was only 60K in the first place, but they sure have close to 200K of the dual dated coins left to make, if not more. As long as they can sell them at close to $100 over spot, there is not reason for them not to make room in the production schedule to do so. After all, they are no longer making cents. That had to free up some capacity.
And I would not be surprised by that decision either, the mint is currently in a shambles based upon the lack of clarity on their releases, but my interest is really in the cents, dim, and half dollar that will be minted in several sets. They do, however, still have a bunch of 1 ounce silver coins to mint (including Olympic coins) this year and medals in gold and silver.
Good question. I expect that there will still be significant premium for scarcity, W and the Eagle Privy. If its in a PCGS NGC or ANACS holder graded 70, definitely there will be a huge premium, provided the mintages were less than 500k, and only a fraction can ever be PR70. The more hype they generate the higher the premium. Now that being said, things can get a little too hot. Some whales will try to "load up the truck", which means they are going to dump them eventually.
“When you don't know what you're talking about, it's hard to know when you're finished.” - Tommy Smothers
@SilverPlatinum said:
So guys what do you think of this coin in 5 years? Is it a good investment if someone bought it on Feb 26th for $173 ? Do you think it would worth at least +$500 in 5 years?
Inflation rate now is only 3%. I speculate that that is as low as its going to get. The Federal deficit is exploding. So 5 years from now might be more like 100% inflation.
Who knows what the silver value will be by then. If the past is any indication, it will be lower in real dollars to what it sells for today. Again just speculating. I lived through the 80's when silver briefly went to ATHs. Since then there was a long drought in silver prices. The end of photography (which resulted in a glut of silver) didnt help. Now we have solar and AI as drivers to the physical silver market. Coins are not significant to the price of silver in the long run. Silver has a mind of its own.
“When you don't know what you're talking about, it's hard to know when you're finished.” - Tommy Smothers
For what it is worth, this is Grok's take. Keep in mind that Grok relies on internet posted stuff including the opinions found on this forum.
My personal opinion is that if you hold one for personal pleasure, you probably will be protected by silver's future cash spot base price increases. (assuming that it's bull run continues for say another 3 years etc.)
Personally, I plan to keep my one 1776-2026 sample and also my one Congrats proof coin (that one has a better chance of future premium increases). In my mind, if for any reason, fewer than 500K are minted (DO NOT ARGUE this hypothetical and speculation- spare the Sulphur) then that possibly helps "value" or "perceived value".
Grok Query a week+ before release date
"is the 1776-2026 dual date, liberty bell privy proof american silver eagle a good investment for later or just a short term speculation?"
[sic} I am not loading all the answer context. Just the recommendation [sic]
"### Recommendation
This coin leans more toward short-term speculation than a rock-solid long-term investment. Buy now (or on release) if you're a collector chasing the theme or flipping graded pieces for 50–100% quick gains amid anniversary buzz—many are doing just that on forums. For "later" (5–10+ years), it has decent numismatic upside if you prioritize perfect-condition slabs and the patriotic story resonates culturally, potentially yielding 3–5% annualized returns above silver spot. However, with the high mintage and modern issue status, it's not a slam-dunk like rarer classics (e.g., 1933 Double Eagle). Diversify: Stack 70% generic silver for stability, 30% specials like this for fun/upside. Always buy from reputable sources (e.g., Mint, APMEX) and consider grading for max value. If silver's your focus, skip privies altogether for better margins.
Edit: Just received my Lib Bell Privy coin and the W Mint did a good job on it. I see no flaws under 5X mag. Very nice strike etc.
@Heubschgold said: For what it is worth, this is Grok's take. Keep in mind that Grok relies on internet posted stuff including the opinions found on this forum.
My personal opinion is that if you hold one for personal pleasure, you probably will be protected by silver's future cash spot base price increases. (assuming that it's bull run continues for say another 3 years etc.)
Personally, I plan to keep my one 1776-2026 sample and also my one Congrats proof coin (that one has a better chance of future premium increases). In my mind, if for any reason, fewer than 500K are minted (DO NOT ARGUE this hypothetical and speculation- spare the Sulphur) then that possibly helps "value" or "perceived value".
Grok Query a week+ before release date
"is the 1776-2026 dual date, liberty bell privy proof american silver eagle a good investment for later or just a short term speculation?"
[sic} I am not loading all the answer context. Just the recommendation [sic]
"### Recommendation
This coin leans more toward short-term speculation than a rock-solid long-term investment. Buy now (or on release) if you're a collector chasing the theme or flipping graded pieces for 50–100% quick gains amid anniversary buzz—many are doing just that on forums. For "later" (5–10+ years), it has decent numismatic upside if you prioritize perfect-condition slabs and the patriotic story resonates culturally, potentially yielding 3–5% annualized returns above silver spot. However, with the high mintage and modern issue status, it's not a slam-dunk like rarer classics (e.g., 1933 Double Eagle). Diversify: Stack 70% generic silver for stability, 30% specials like this for fun/upside. Always buy from reputable sources (e.g., Mint, APMEX) and consider grading for max value. If silver's your focus, skip privies altogether for better margins.
Edit: Just received my Lib Bell Privy coin and the W Mint did a good job on it. I see no flaws under 5X mag. Very nice strike etc.
That's a pretty solid overall recommendation, whether you agree with it or not.
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This may be an easy 1, and I'll piggy back on this thread, may not warrant its own.
Does anyone know if there are any plans for a 2026 ASE -S mint proof (or otherwise)?
I looked thru the mint's 2026 schedule and searched here, no hits. I didnt see the -S on its own as in prior years, nor a limited edition proof set that sometimes has the -S.
Maybe the -P congrats takes its place?
They DO have a LOT of new things already planned for this year.
@stawick said:
This may be an easy 1, and I'll piggy back on this thread, may not warrant its own.
Does anyone know if there are any plans for a 2026 ASE -S mint proof (or otherwise)?
I looked thru the mint's 2026 schedule and searched here, no hits. I didnt see the -S on its own as in prior years, nor a limited edition proof set that sometimes has the -S.
Maybe the -P congrats takes its place?
They DO have a LOT of new things already planned for this year.
None. I'm pretty they announced last year that there would be no more S-mint ASEs. They are apparently looking at closing San Francisco. They also announced there will be no more limited edition proof sets.
The P Congratulations didn't take anything's place. It's just something they did to stimulate interest in Congratulations. Not the first time they did that.
Lots of confusion over which version of this coin is subscribed to. I can’t see the mint doing 2 versions. However remember that Box of Chocolates thing. 🤔
" If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. " The 1st Law of Opposition from The Firesign Theater
I had a paused single date 2026 W Unc ASE. Un~paused it & it revived, it repopulated.
Triedto add a couple more, but it seems one & done.
I think I should have paused offers instead of cancelling them.
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That's not fair to> @SilverPlatinum said:
No... unless silver is at $510
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2 Bucks below spot.
No OGP then $27 back of oz spot & not in 5 years but immediately:
Summer, Fall, Winter of 2026.
Slab it as a 70 from anybody but you lost the COA / OGP and you are getting minus $27 under spot at local coin shop.
OGP gone ? No $25 for you !
I think all these 2026 USMINT offers are appallingly expensive !
But over the decades I have noticed instant flippers can double their money due to near future buyers having to have this that or the other.
I am getting more than I care to own of four offers so I can cash out of the spares and lower my outlay on what I keep. I do want to keep one where I am limited to just one of 60k or two of each thing.
I am a hard pass at premium priced 1776~2026 ASE $ with possible 500k mintage.
Happy Shopping !
Lindy
"To be fair, I really don't think anyone, certainly not me, is "hope for said release to Crash, Burn, and Melt.""
That was the OP making a mockery of his own thread with that statement, seen above.
"These are all just discussions, opinions, etc. With respect to me, what you characterize as "bashing" is an expression of frustration over a lack of transparency regarding published mintages and general disclosures."
Agree, just discussions, opinions, etc. You are a well known critic of the Mint, and since you are sometimes wrong in your interpretation of stated Mintage limits vs actual mintages, you lash out in frustration to save face. I get it. You still seem to struggle, as you're taking the mintage limit of 500k coins and suggesting that they will have 500k for sale next week. There is no way they are going to mint 500k of these coins - no way. As I've said above, 300k is plenty enough to go around.
The Mint is as transparent as can be. No secrets, no lies, no shenanigans. Just me.
" The converse is also true. No matter how money the Mint makes, from a collector/investor point of view, a new release is a "dud" if it does not hold its value after purchase. By that definition, 500K one ounce silver coins made for sale in February 2026 at $173 each will be duds. Period."
The Mint is not interested in what a collector/investor's point of view is when it comes to value after purchase or secondary performance. Dud interpreted or not, Period.
Some have even suggested that the Mint is now monitoring the secondary, and raising prices to cash in on what would otherwise go to flippers & arbitrages -- Hogwash.
The Mint is DONE with allowing the Numismatic side to Subsidize the Circulating side of production, particularly when it comes to Numi Gold.
The Core sets are no longer going to be subsidized either, as they've been in the negative net for years.
Those who are complaining about the price increases might just want to thank the Mint for offering such cheap prices prior to this year, particularly for those core sets... Where's the gratitude?
The Mint is finally taking some steps to run itself more like a business vs a form of welfare.
A comment gathered from the web, [sic] "when silver was at around $30, the mint was charging around $90 for silver eagles" [sic]
Personally, I am not sticking up for the casino, just sharing a hearsay comment.
Aside: Since the 2026 proof dual date (Lib Bell privy) is the first dual date ASE ever, does this count for anything in terms of collector interest, short and long term?
The 1986 ASE was the first issue date but the highest mintage (5M plus) of the series. So current prices are a bit higher, both raw and graded, than say, silver cash spot, right now.
Yes. This is why they are making 500K. Unfortunately, they are being too optimistic. Probably by more than a factor of 2.
100K was the sweet spot last year, as evidenced by rabid demand and quick sell outs of privy marked proof ASEs at $105 each. When a few stragglers found their way to the website last week at $175, it took days for them to sell out with no HHL.
The fact that silver is now 3x what it was this time last year, and the price of Mint numismatic product almost double, does not help demand. $100 over spot does not leave a lot of room for anything they sell to either hold its value or even advance in the secondary market.
Drop the mintage low enough, though, and anything can be a winner. Which is why 60K Congratulations Sets should be winners. Not so much for 500K "2026 proof dual date (Lib Bell privy) is the first dual date ASE ever,"
100K would have been a home run, since there will surely be increased interest as compared to a normal proof ASE. 200K probably also would have been good. But, given where 100K 2025 proof privies trade today, and given a $173 issue price, do not expect the Mint to be able to sell 500K. The mintage limit and expected market overhang will suppress interest.
Sounds like a dud.
I just went through fleabay sold "2025 privy proof American silver eagles" and you are right. The 2026 lib bell privy RAW ought to be a just under break even in short term raw coin re-sale. Its only salvation for an edge up in the distant future would be a much higher cash spot silver price confirmation.
Plenty of time until the 2076 Tricentennial. (I will be pushing daisies- not Liberty Sunflowers)
A graded sp70 2026 ASE might just break even in the distant future. Short term I think those ae selling at a decent $90+ profit up by dealers.
Except the 2026 is going to have 5x the mintage. It's really hard to see them worth even $173 in the secondary market, given the mintage and spot at <$100. Look to prior years with mintages in the hundreds of thousands for a clue as to what these will be worth.
Congratulations has been lit up for a couple hours, still HHL ONE so no extras fun for me:
https://www.usmint.gov/congratulations-set-subscription-NP.html
Yeah, anything with a 500,000 mintage is selling at spot. I don't know why he LOL'ed you. The "unique" nature of the one-year type won't help at that mintage. I mean, it will help it sell out of the gate, but not in the long term.
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Subscriptions are processing as of Saturday
sold out right now
i think i bought the last 5 haha
WOW..... That's a lot of coins !!
What's the current ats on the lib bell privy? Future releases??
I ordered one for my collection, I think the semiquincentennial date is kinda cool on an ASE. No luck on the Philly proof though
use this link to check ATS for each item. you have to match the item number including capitalized letters.
https://www.usmint.gov/on/demandware.store/Sites-USM-Site/default/Product-Variation?pid=26EA
Thank you GoldenBoy89 !! Looks "unavailable" but no other numerical value for possible units still available.
Thanks!!
you have to check the ATS when it becomes available again to see how many are left. as of now, it's sold out so it will only show zero.
feels deceptive! would be nice to let it sell out through the mintage limit instead of artificially reducing the amount available to "sell out"
If there were units available, it wouldn't be unavailable. That's what that number means.
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That's not the reason. They made less because they didn't want to risk being stuck with several hundred thousand that they couldn't sell.
In the past, they would have taken Back Orders after they sold through their inventory, but hadn't hit the mintage limit and intended to make more. Unclear why they are not doing that now, since people might lose interest and move on if they don't hear anything about these for a few weeks.
They might also be having planchet supply issues. They stopped shipping regular ASEs for a while.
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Even so, in the past they would take Back Orders, even if they had to keep pushing back ship dates. They allowed people to buy, and to know they had confirmed orders, even when they had no current inventory.
Now, for whatever reason, manifesting @HATTRICK's saying about a box of chocolates, you never actually know what they are going to do, regardless of what they say. HHL of 1, unless you had a subscription for more, or try to violate the limit. Mintage limit of 500K, but they cut off sales at around 300K. And then post on social media that they will make more later.
Sometimes they mint to the limit. Sometimes they don't. Regardless of demand, or lack thereof.
So some things, like Morgan and Peace Dollars, sit unsold for years, while others are short minted, sell out in 5 minutes, and never come back. There is no rhyme or reason, and no discernible pattern. The only saving grace, for those paying attention, is that they have done this enough over the past few years that no one should be surprised, or rely on what they say.
I guess another benefit is that the sell out now of the dual dated coins will allow people to sell at inflated prices now to people who don't understand or know that the Mint announced that more will be coming later. You can be sure that the TV guys will be screaming about the sell out without mentioning that only a little more than half of the maximum mintage was sold, with more to come.
Lack of planchets, packaging, production capacity, etc., are always possible convenient excuses that can never be disproven, but they will be BS more often than not. Planchets for NCLT are for the most part interchangeable, and they are the US freaking Mint. They can do what they want. Including get more of anything, and move production around as necessary. Or just truthfully disclose whatever it is that they are going to do when they are going to short mint and not make more.
In this case, I honestly don't think there is going to be a reason not to make as many dual date ASEs as they can sell up to the limit. But what they did with the Congratulations coins really is inexcusable, given how good they are bound to be. Once again, shame on them, even though people also have themselves to blame, because they were out there, freely available and waiting to be discovered, for several months last fall.
Mintage increase and HHL went from 10 to 1,,,,,,,
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I like the looks of this one. I see several saying they have subscribed to 10 of them prior to the image being posted and the HHL being lowered to one.
New dual date unc product laid over linky to single date 2026 W Unc product.
Tried to increase my 4 of limit 10 system said I exceeded limit on single date 2026 which was/is max 90k
Subscribed to new dual date unc product limit 1 max limit 125k
Both have same product numbers and same 4-21-26 release date.
No clue what I am getting, but I am signed up for both unc single date and dual date W mintmarked products.
They have 7 weeks to figure it out.
Confusing ???
My order of 2026 W Proofs was delivered today.
With all the coins and medals that they have to do for the year, I would be surprised if they mint any more of anything that runs out.
Then you are going to be surprised. They have short minted before, without any disclosure beforehand.
But they have never affirmatively said they will mint up to the limit if necessary to meet demand, and then failed to do so. First time for everything, but I will happily take the other side of your bet, and bet that you will indeed be surprised on these.
I'm not sure what's left of the Philadelphia coin, give that the maximum was only 60K in the first place, but they sure have close to 200K of the dual dated coins left to make, if not more. As long as they can sell them at close to $100 over spot, there is no reason for them not to make room in the production schedule to do so. After all, they are no longer making cents. That had to free up some capacity.
I generally agree with what you're saying. But I'm not sure that not making cents correlates to increased capacity to strike proofs.
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And I would not be surprised by that decision either, the mint is currently in a shambles based upon the lack of clarity on their releases, but my interest is really in the cents, dim, and half dollar that will be minted in several sets. They do, however, still have a bunch of 1 ounce silver coins to mint (including Olympic coins) this year and medals in gold and silver.
Good question. I expect that there will still be significant premium for scarcity, W and the Eagle Privy. If its in a PCGS NGC or ANACS holder graded 70, definitely there will be a huge premium, provided the mintages were less than 500k, and only a fraction can ever be PR70. The more hype they generate the higher the premium. Now that being said, things can get a little too hot. Some whales will try to "load up the truck", which means they are going to dump them eventually.
Inflation rate now is only 3%. I speculate that that is as low as its going to get. The Federal deficit is exploding. So 5 years from now might be more like 100% inflation.
Who knows what the silver value will be by then. If the past is any indication, it will be lower in real dollars to what it sells for today. Again just speculating. I lived through the 80's when silver briefly went to ATHs. Since then there was a long drought in silver prices. The end of photography (which resulted in a glut of silver) didnt help. Now we have solar and AI as drivers to the physical silver market. Coins are not significant to the price of silver in the long run. Silver has a mind of its own.
For what it is worth, this is Grok's take. Keep in mind that Grok relies on internet posted stuff including the opinions found on this forum.
My personal opinion is that if you hold one for personal pleasure, you probably will be protected by silver's future cash spot base price increases. (assuming that it's bull run continues for say another 3 years etc.)
Personally, I plan to keep my one 1776-2026 sample and also my one Congrats proof coin (that one has a better chance of future premium increases). In my mind, if for any reason, fewer than 500K are minted (DO NOT ARGUE this hypothetical and speculation- spare the Sulphur) then that possibly helps "value" or "perceived value".
Grok Query a week+ before release date
"is the 1776-2026 dual date, liberty bell privy proof american silver eagle a good investment for later or just a short term speculation?"
[sic} I am not loading all the answer context. Just the recommendation [sic]
"### Recommendation
This coin leans more toward short-term speculation than a rock-solid long-term investment. Buy now (or on release) if you're a collector chasing the theme or flipping graded pieces for 50–100% quick gains amid anniversary buzz—many are doing just that on forums. For "later" (5–10+ years), it has decent numismatic upside if you prioritize perfect-condition slabs and the patriotic story resonates culturally, potentially yielding 3–5% annualized returns above silver spot. However, with the high mintage and modern issue status, it's not a slam-dunk like rarer classics (e.g., 1933 Double Eagle). Diversify: Stack 70% generic silver for stability, 30% specials like this for fun/upside. Always buy from reputable sources (e.g., Mint, APMEX) and consider grading for max value. If silver's your focus, skip privies altogether for better margins.
Edit: Just received my Lib Bell Privy coin and the W Mint did a good job on it. I see no flaws under 5X mag. Very nice strike etc.
That's a pretty solid overall recommendation, whether you agree with it or not.
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This may be an easy 1, and I'll piggy back on this thread, may not warrant its own.
Does anyone know if there are any plans for a 2026 ASE -S mint proof (or otherwise)?
I looked thru the mint's 2026 schedule and searched here, no hits. I didnt see the -S on its own as in prior years, nor a limited edition proof set that sometimes has the -S.
Maybe the -P congrats takes its place?
They DO have a LOT of new things already planned for this year.
There is no S mint proof planned for this year. The way it sounds, they won't be coming back in the future.
None. I'm pretty they announced last year that there would be no more S-mint ASEs. They are apparently looking at closing San Francisco. They also announced there will be no more limited edition proof sets.
The P Congratulations didn't take anything's place. It's just something they did to stimulate interest in Congratulations. Not the first time they did that.
If low pop super investment buy.
Lots of confusion over which version of this coin is subscribed to. I can’t see the mint doing 2 versions. However remember that Box of Chocolates thing. 🤔
Just picked up 5 this morning.....
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i gave in. Got one myself this morning in those 60 seconds
Checking on availability of these, clicked on subscription, which would be for the 2027, mintage limit 500,000. 🤣 Good luck with that.
Me too...I grabbed one. I was surprised to see the ADD BAG light up, so I didn't hesitate. Yep, gone in 60 seconds.
Did anyone happen to catch the ats number this am?
I saw 54.
Flawed returns?
It has been rumored that the remaining 200k will be released on 3/25.
I had a paused single date 2026 W Unc ASE. Un~paused it & it revived, it repopulated.
Triedto add a couple more, but it seems one & done.
I think I should have paused offers instead of cancelling them.