Why is this not a PF 70

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gashmios
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edited February 25, 2026 1:57AM in U.S. Coin Forum

I've never been able to really split the difference between a 69 and a 70 and yet big money can ride of the distinction/

Why is this silver Ike not an Proof 70?


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  • IkesT
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  • gashmios
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    Obverse

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    Reverse

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    Reverse

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  • MsMorrisine
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    the images aren't well lit. we've some of the opinion not to grade proofs from photos.

    putting that aside temporarily, coins of this era have many striking flaws and a mark is easily hidden amongst them. this is a job for an ike expert seeing it in hand

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  • 1madman
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    Underneath Ike’s ear (on the neck) looks to have break in the frost / scuff marks.

  • davewesen
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    small scratches and spots - look at the jaw and cheek of IKE

  • gashmios
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    http://www.mrbrklyn.com/images/coins/1974_pf69_ike_o.png
    http://www.mrbrklyn.com/images/coins/1974_pf69_ike_r.png

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  • gashmios
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    run away

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  • gashmios
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    @lermish said:

    @mrbrklyn said:
    I've never been able to really split the difference between a 69 and a 70 and yet big money can ride of the distinction/

    Why is this silver Ike not an MS 70?

    Because it's a proof.

    Indeed - so an airplane crashed on the boarder between Vermont and Canada... where are the survivors buried?

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  • johnny9434
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    Really?

  • jmlanzaf
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    edited February 25, 2026 4:04AM
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    I think I see all kinds of haze and frost breaks and what might be tiny marks (amongst all the dust and marks on the plastic).

    The best answer: because the team of experts that viewed the coin in hand saw flaws.
    You may, of course, crack it out and send it back in for a new opinion.

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  • Cameonut
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    Indeed - so an airplane crashed on the boarder between Vermont and Canada... where are the survivors buried?

    In a Brooklyn boarding (sic) house?

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  • gashmios
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    @Cameonut said:

    Indeed - so an airplane crashed on the boarder between Vermont and Canada... where are the survivors buried?

    In a Brooklyn boarding (sic) house?

    Oldest joke in the book.

    Show me the PROOF!!

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  • Barberian
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    @mrbrklyn said:

    @lermish said:

    @mrbrklyn said:
    I've never been able to really split the difference between a 69 and a 70 and yet big money can ride of the distinction/

    Why is this silver Ike not an MS 70?

    Because it's a proof.

    Indeed - so an airplane crashed on the boarder between Vermont and Canada... where are the survivors buried?

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  • ChrisH821
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    Even with perfect images, without a 5x and the coin in hand none of us can tell why it's a 69 vs. a 70.

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  • logger7
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    A "69" was probably a gift, I'd just be grateful for that.

  • BillJones
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    PR-70 says the coin is "perfect" under 5X magnification, I believe. Something as small was a mint caused spot in the fields, which breaks the mirrored Proof surface, is enough to deduct a point.

    I see more tiny problems on that Ike Dollar. I believe that Ike Dollars in PR-70 are quite scarce because the minting standards were not as high then. Furthermore then government packaging encouraged haze which takes the coin out immediately.

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  • messydesk
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    I see spots, ticks, and scratches in the picture.

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  • Barberian
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    I see hairlines on Ike that shouldn't be there. ;)

  • steveben
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    from what i can tell it's clearly a 74

  • BryceM
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    Most likely, trying to distinguish 69 vs 70 on a big proof coin like this will require in-hand inspection. Anything else is probably speculation, based on the limited views available in the photographs.

  • gashmios
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    @logger7 said:
    A "69" was probably a gift, I'd just be grateful for that.

    I think so as well. I would had graded it at PF68

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  • oldglorycoins
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    @mrbrklyn said:

    @logger7 said:
    A "69" was probably a gift, I'd just be grateful for that.

    I think so as well. I would had graded it at PF68

    Well then why are you wondering if its a PF70?

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  • gashmios
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    edited March 4, 2026 6:58AM
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    @oldglorycoins said:

    @mrbrklyn said:

    @logger7 said:
    A "69" was probably a gift, I'd just be grateful for that.

    I think so as well. I would had graded it at PF68

    Well then why are you wondering if its a PF70?

    @oldglorycoins said:

    @mrbrklyn said:

    @logger7 said:
    A "69" was probably a gift, I'd just be grateful for that.

    I think so as well. I would had graded it at PF68

    Well then why are you wondering if its a PF70?

    What I think mostly only matters to me.

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  • World67
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    They didn't start making Ikes until 71.

  • jmlanzaf
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    @mrbrklyn said:

    @oldglorycoins said:

    @mrbrklyn said:

    @logger7 said:
    A "69" was probably a gift, I'd just be grateful for that.

    I think so as well. I would had graded it at PF68

    Well then why are you wondering if its a PF70?

    @oldglorycoins said:

    @mrbrklyn said:

    @logger7 said:
    A "69" was probably a gift, I'd just be grateful for that.

    I think so as well. I would had graded it at PF68

    Well then why are you wondering if its a PF70?

    that I think mostly only matters to me.

    Well, you did sort of make it our business when you posted it on a public forum.

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  • TallahasseeCoinClub
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    Based on those pics alone, PR-69 DCAM seems generous.

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  • Morgan13
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    A PF70 is a perfect coin.
    Honestly does your coin look perfect?
    I have a Franklin half that looks perfect but after close examination and trying to be honest with myself about I realize it could be a 68. As others have said 69 is a gift.
    Try to stay neutral and accept that its graded properly. Over time you will thank yourself.

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  • MFeld
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    @Morgan13 said:
    A PF70 is a perfect coin.
    Honestly does your coin look perfect?
    I have a Franklin half that looks perfect but after close examination and trying to be honest with myself about I realize it could be a 68. As others have said 69 is a gift.
    Try to stay neutral and accept that its graded properly. Over time you will thank yourself.

    According to the published PCGS and NGC standards, a coin need not be perfect to receive a grade of 70.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • mr1931S
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    @MFeld said:

    @Morgan13 said:
    A PF70 is a perfect coin.
    Honestly does your coin look perfect?
    I have a Franklin half that looks perfect but after close examination and trying to be honest with myself about I realize it could be a 68. As others have said 69 is a gift.
    Try to stay neutral and accept that its graded properly. Over time you will thank yourself.

    According to the published PCGS and NGC standards, a coin need not be perfect to receive a grade of 70.

    OP could point that out on the submission form when he resubmits. Do you advise cracking the Ike out of it's holder and then resubmitting. Or leave in the holder?

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  • MFeld
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    @mr1931S said:

    @MFeld said:

    @Morgan13 said:
    A PF70 is a perfect coin.
    Honestly does your coin look perfect?
    I have a Franklin half that looks perfect but after close examination and trying to be honest with myself about I realize it could be a 68. As others have said 69 is a gift.
    Try to stay neutral and accept that its graded properly. Over time you will thank yourself.

    According to the published PCGS and NGC standards, a coin need not be perfect to receive a grade of 70.

    OP could point that out on the submission form when he resubmits. Do you advise cracking the Ike out of it's holder and then resubmitting. Or leave in the holder?

    I wouldn’t even consider resubmitting that coin for a higher grade. Just because a coin doesn’t need to be “perfect” for a 70, doesn’t mean that one such as the subject coin (with obvious flaws) should be graded higher than 69. Read the published standards.

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  • messydesk
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    @mr1931S said:

    @MFeld said:

    @Morgan13 said:
    A PF70 is a perfect coin.
    Honestly does your coin look perfect?
    I have a Franklin half that looks perfect but after close examination and trying to be honest with myself about I realize it could be a 68. As others have said 69 is a gift.
    Try to stay neutral and accept that its graded properly. Over time you will thank yourself.

    According to the published PCGS and NGC standards, a coin need not be perfect to receive a grade of 70.

    OP could point that out on the submission form when he resubmits. Do you advise cracking the Ike out of it's holder and then resubmitting. Or leave in the holder?

    At one time, it was not possible to receive a 70 on a coin that was already in the holder due to it not being possible to examine the coin sufficiently once it's encapsulated, especially when the holder itself is impaired. I don't know if that's still the case. Even so, reasons for this coin not to grade 70 were apparent even with the quality of the photos, so the point is rather moot.

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  • gashmios
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    The reason to ask this question is to see what others think. I alrqady know what I think.

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    @mrbrklyn said:
    The reason to ask this question is to see what others think. I alrqady know what I think.

    But the question should be "why is this coin a 69?" When you ask "why isn't this coin a 70?", it implies that you think it may not be a 69.

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  • MICHAELDIXON
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    As noted, it is hard to grade a coin from pictures. But...I do not like the coin as a PR69DCAM. To me, Eisenhower's cheek appears to have too many distractions to be a 69. My opinion is PR67DCAM.

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  • gashmios
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    I brought that coin because I loved the reverse, but the distinction between a PF69 and PF70 was always a bit of a puzzle for me and the difference in costs can be rude.

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  • MsMorrisine
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    fwiw, pcgs shows a pop zero in 70

    so it's 68/0

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    Milk spots. RGDS!

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  • Cougar1978
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    Reverse scratch

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  • gashmios
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    @Cougar1978 said:
    Reverse scratch

    I believe you but I don't see that.

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