Post Less, Read More - Is that a lost discipline on our message boards?
Catbert
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I admit to some frustration. Random postings with random thoughts by new members who have decided such ramblings are meaningful here. Yes, the board should welcome all, even newbies. However, it sure would be nice if more thought went into a thread.
Okay. Flame me now.
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@Catbert It seems to be happening more lately and I feel some might be to increase post count. Just my 2 cents.
I am guilty of a number of posts lately with updates to sets I have been doing. Mine is not for post count but to let others see coins that don't usually show up.
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It's easy to just move past those threads. Probably worse to have no one contributing at all. I do feel that this place lost a lot of content creators, people with real stories to contribute to the hobby. The rare, interesting, different things that make you excited to learn. Those threads get buried under the fluff, when they appear at all.
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I respond to threads that interest me and easily skip the ones that don't
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Would you prefer this to be the next sleepy hollow? I get that a few new members have been posting at a fever pitch, but as long as those members are just showing some exuberance I really don't see anything wrong.
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It's definitely an issue. Lots of people clearly don't read the forum and they just post their own threads and get their education from the responses.
It's too bad that some people don't use the forum as the huge source of information that it represents.
At least their thread titles aren't click bait and they are (mostly) in the right forum.
I totally get where you are coming from but at least they are well intentioned if overenthusiastic teenagers. I am willing to cut them a fair amount of slack.
Having members who have been here for a decade plus doing the same thing or posting in the wrong forum constantly bothers me more.
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Blunt and simple, we do not make the rules, as we do not own this forum. You've got issues, take it up with the owners of the forum, then
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We must realize the effect social media is forcing down the throats of "newbies". Every dime is a million$ coin just waiting for them. So we get parking lot finds, unfortunately, daily. Perhaps a new forum categorically set up for 1st ten new posts unless invited by a thousand post member. Jus' sayin'.
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Nah, doesn't bother me... I am getting used to filtering things out everywhere I go these days.
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There is a very thin line between thought-provoking, new discussions and redundancy. In the grand scheme of things, almost everything has been talked about at least once before. I say, give them some latitude, Especially, if they are new.
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The new guys are okay, aggravating, though. Posts and reactions mean something else to a generation that fuels a lot of activity on social media, that I eschew. I taught high school; I could not allow the guys who did not read, to derail the lesson for others, even though they were clever, and often the most fun at appropriate times.
They’re sharp. They’re beating the system firewalls and the teacher screen control at the school to be here with us. I’m flattered that they think that what we do is enjoyable.
I would like to tell them that they will absorb more learning and more respect by reading the other threads, and reacting with thought in them—but they bury the threads quickly with new threads.
So, as you have responded twice so far, this thread is of high interest to you.
I’m in the skeptic camp. I have no patience for folks that don’t do their homework. The internet is a huge and quick resource, generally accurate, and available to anyone capable of finding their way here. The most recent newbie example appears more troll-like than not. IMO.
Agreed, go do some homework, i dont really think it'll totally blow your mind 😳 (what's left of it anywho)
I agree with you but won’t disparage the newbies for their social media habits. As a teacher and father of high school age students, I somewhat understand this generation’s need to over-share.
I’ve been here since 2003 but don’t yet have 6000 posts. I enjoy and appreciate the free education more than you know.
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Damnit @CatBert I've been meaning to talk to you about that. You show up here three and a half years after me and you've already got me beat by 432 posts!
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A newbie asking a question that has already been asked and answered doesn't bother me since I can skip over, but when I see half a dozen of these posts from them on the same day that is frustrating since it pushes other posts down and they can get lost. When I joined CU I only read posts for the first year or so to learn before I posted something. Guess it might be generational.
My current practice is to read more and post less.
My collecting efforts have been covered by me in numerous posts, along with pictures of my better coins being posted many times.
No need to repeat things I have covered before.
So I have been posting less.
As far as reading goes, I find that while I want to read more, the threads that interest me are much fewer in number now than in past years.
they'll come up to speed. and apparently 1 is a yn
I came here as a refugee from the NGC board, which I found (four or five years ago) to be unfriendly and cliquish (to put it mildly). Given the VERY low traffic there now, I wasn't the only one. They eventually got rid of the troublemakers, but the damage was already done.
I don't have any trouble ignoring threads that don't sound interesting. And I love the amount of intelligent traffic there is here.
Most of the new folks over on NGC don't care for the way they are treated and leave. I believe the members here are much more friendly.
I like posting/reading people thoughts on these boards.
Everyone should have their own opinions (right/wrong). That’s what creates a market. This market is very different from the main(world) market. This market has absolutely zero bearing on that main market. You can only hope that your timing is correct when it’s your turn to cash in.
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I would think that most newbies are younger individuals (not all) and may not have learned the golded rule to follow in most professions. Research the answer to the question and then present the solution. Some, like to jump to "just give me the answer," while not much is learned in this process. It's my experience that those that possess knowledge, skills and the experience will respect the individual's efforts all the more and will gladly help and provide the correct answer, if the solution presented was incorrect.
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Just like any other topic - people believe what they read on social media platforms and don't do any of their own research into trying to find out what's correct and what's BS.
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I don’t know, I think being welcoming and helping folks get their bearings is never bad. There’s so much disinformation out there, that newbies don’t have any idea where to start, and they’re excited.
If you don’t know what questions to ask, how can you research in a meaningful way?
I see people talking about how to get more people into the hobby through one side of their mouth, then gatekeeping through the other.
Discussion boards aren’t that fun when nobody feels encouraged to post.
Just my two cents.
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The interest in the movement of precious metals is drawing members who have not been here in as many as twenty years.
I use the search feature alot but things change and evolve especially where collections are concerned. Some people are hyperactive (maybe myself) but it should be tolerated. As has already been said just skip it.
NGC's forums are not heavily populated becasue of the clique over there. I have experienced it myself. I think its a shame.
Oh well back to some reading.
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I’ve been here 25 years and have a low post count. I’m a daily reader who only posts when I have something worthwhile to contribute to a discussion (except for this post—haha).
I skip the stuff that’s not for me and don’t complain. It might be interesting to someone else.
Society is different today. People want immediate answers to questions when 99% of the time especially with AI you can look things up yourself and within seconds there’s a plethora of information. People thrive from how many clicks, likes, and the number of followers they have.
I guess I’m guilty. I posted a sarcastic comment on an online sports publication and I’ve lost track of how many likes I’ve gotten.
I read more and post less, that's why I only have 148 points
Not that this is too big of a contribution to the conversation at hand, I will say, out of the newcomers on the forums, I am not the only YN. I don’t know the total number but I do know @interpols is also a YN.
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New posters like @Goob and @interpols seem to be the real deal.
Them and so many others make this forum, friendly and worthy of daily visits.
If you fear a thread is falling off the grid, just do a TTT with a good day/afternoon messages, so it gets back on top, for a spell.
To those grieving, I say, I only partially get your vent, but maybe we need to come down a notch, try not to be so judgmental, these posters are newbies and young.
I know many of us are up in age, and many of us irritate and get triggered faster.
So, count to 10 and enjoy every day as if its your last here.
JMHO
Searching old threads had been very helpful and I encourage the new members to use it, especially on basic topics.
We should all use it more often, there's been some interesting, informative, deep-dive threads here.
You’re right, I regret my earlier post. We geezers sometimes forget the truly important things.
The search function used to be much better, or else I have not figured out how to get what I want rather than 100's of pages.
This means more repeat threads are started rather than continued or an answered question before another thread started.
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I don’t remember exactly what Dan said but instead of using the search here (which leaves a bit to be desired) he’s using ChatGPT.
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@Goob —this is to what I referred for a search.
It’s a wave that comes and goes. If you count how long I’ve been on this board (since 2001 or so when you add in my old abandoned ID) I’ve seen this quite often. Part of it is the strong personalities have left the board for various reasons and the internet culture has continued to flourish and provide more nonsense.
To some, posting a "thanks for your report" may seem like an upping your post count tactic. For myself I usually offer a TFYR
In hope of further encouragement for future posting of those events. They offer a glimpse of what's going on across the coin world especially for those unable to attend. If one goes through all that time,trouble, especially with photos it's a small token, sort of a reward for those efforts.
Wait, wait, some here see it as a cynical attempt to increase your “post count” when you reply to a thread to compliment another members show report, or to congratulate them for their cherished new coin? First off, who cares one iota about “post counts” and secondly, what a weird online world we’ve created for ourselves where civility and camaraderie are viewed with annoyance…. It makes no sense to me.
My apologies if my post comes off as unworthy of your time.
I don't know if this will help or not but in case it might - previous thread on what I found using the forum search.
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1111730/forum-search-a-few-things-that-might-help-maybe
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Signal to noise ratio is one of the best measurements of usefulness of any given forum. As the number of posts in a thread increases, the signal to noise ratio tends to drop. Not sure if this law has a name, but it could be seen as a generalization of Godwin's Law.
A reader can manage this by adding users known for injecting too much noise to an ignore list and by ignoring threads once they reach a certain number of posts.
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@GuzziSport I think you may have misread my post. Certainly agree that we should congratulate and compliment when so moved.
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@Catbert Thanks, and no, your original post was fine it was some of the responses, ironically enough lol
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That doesn't always work here, as people have ten fingers.
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You’ve got a point 😆
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